If Iran is close on nuclear weapons, which given their underground uranium enrichment facility which nobody seems to know whether it's damaged or not, who really knows, then how does Israel even risk being wrong? They are cooked if Iran is on the cusp and they do not do anything. How would Netanyahu explain the wiping out of the nation if in fact there was anyone left to explain something to? Oops our intelligence was wrong, sorry your babies were incinerated? WTF???? Like which planet's reality are you guys living in?
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Unfortunately, we live on a planet, where, its major and most powerful leaders cannot be trusted. As a good example of this is the context into which the Iraqui war was decided, against UN, France, Germany and Canada’s strong protests about the false allegations bringed forward by Georges W Bush:
"In the early 2000s, U.S. president George W. Bush and British prime minister Tony Blair both falsely asserted that Saddam's weapons programs were still active and large stockpiles of WMD were hidden in Iraq."
Then this, after the war:
"A year later, the U.S. Senate released its Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraqwhich concluded that many of the pre-war statements about Iraqi WMD were not supported by the underlying intelligence."
This is just one example of the use of false intelligence information spread by the USA to justify any interventions that serves them. Now, as of today, who are we suppose to believe? Israel? They only exist because they can be very useful to the USA. If it wasnt for all the $$$$ coming in from their american "friends", they wouldnt even be able to buy a single box of.22 cal amo..
How do you know the intelligence is false? There is significant evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapon capability. What we do not know is how far along that development is. Are you not even mildly concerned about what Iran might do if allowed to develop nuclear arsenals with total impunity?
You are saying we should not trust the U.S. or Israel but we should trust the Iranians. Why? Haven't they many times proclaimed that Israel must die? "Death to Israel", etc. Why should we trust them and more specifically why should the Israelis trust them?
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GWB was claiming exactly the same about Irak’s MDW! We all know it was a plain lie. Now, with a president that is considered a compulsive liar by most of his peers you really want me to believe him?
Where did you read this? If I say I dont trust a gorilla does it mean I trust a chimp?
Since Israel clearly has nuclear weapons, it doesn't seem likely that Iran would actually use a nuclear weapon against Israel right away. But once Iran gets a nuke and tests it publicly, then the threat of using it is all that Iran really wants.
As the only Muslim nuclear country in the Middle East, Iran would have even more freedom of action to create trouble with its terrorist proxies than it already has. Iran has demonstrated that it will go to extremes to attack Israel via its terrorist proxies (Hama, Hezbollah, the Houthis etc.). Israel is defeating all of them on the battlefield, but to put a real end to the threat from the terrorist proxies, Israel must eliminate the nuclear threat from Iran, which directs, supplies and supports the terrorist network.
It would be much harder and riskier to eliminate the threat from Iran if it were to get nukes. Why? Because the mullahs are hell bent on destroying Israel and they hope to do it via their proxies (and their supporters in the West ) but if it were necessary, then they don't care whether they and their fellow citizens would die in a nuclear exchange with Israel. Eliminating Iran's nukes gets rid of the nuclear threat and also the endless wars with Iran's proxies.
As the only Muslim nuclear country in the Middle East, Iran would have even more freedom of action to create trouble with its terrorist proxies than it already has. Iran has demonstrated that it will go to extremes to attack Israel via its terrorist proxies (Hama, Hezbollah, the Houthis etc.). Israel is defeating all of them on the battlefield, but to put a real end to the threat from the terrorist proxies, Israel must eliminate the nuclear threat from Iran, which directs, supplies and supports the terrorist network.
It would be much harder and riskier to eliminate the threat from Iran if it were to get nukes. Why? Because the mullahs are hell bent on destroying Israel and they hope to do it via their proxies (and their supporters in the West ) but if it were necessary, then they don't care whether they and their fellow citizens would die in a nuclear exchange with Israel. Eliminating Iran's nukes gets rid of the nuclear threat and also the endless wars with Iran's proxies.
You quote the part where, its about the Iraqui false intel spread by your president, you dont have to act like you didnt know that.
When Israel targets military and government officials, Iran lands his missiles indiscriminately. Killed by Iran while running from Russians.
"Anastasia and her family came to Israel from Ukraine for her cancer treatment, but, on Sunday, she, her grandmother, Olena, and cousins, Ilya and Kostyantyn, were killed by an Iranian missile that hit a building in Bat Yam, in central Israel. Her mother, Maria, remains missing"
"Anastasia and her family came to Israel from Ukraine for her cancer treatment, but, on Sunday, she, her grandmother, Olena, and cousins, Ilya and Kostyantyn, were killed by an Iranian missile that hit a building in Bat Yam, in central Israel. Her mother, Maria, remains missing"
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Then what was the point of your post if not to suggest that there is equivalence between the intelligence then and the intelligence now? Again, I ask how do you or anyone know that the intelligence is false? Do any of you claim to know with certitude the closeness or lack of closeness Iran has to testing a nuclear weapon? What is at stake for Israel, which many times has been threatened with death and cessation of existence by the Iranian "Supreme Leader", is a lot more dire than what is at stake for all of you armchair QBs who sit and post in the safety of your Montreal homes and condos, with utterly no worries about running to bomb shelters every 5 minutes like the citizens in Tel Aviv right now.
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We are supposed to believe Iran and their fanatical mullah supreme leader, especially when he says that Iran wants to erase Israel and the Jews from the face of the earth. Your casual attitude toward those threats leads me to believe that you share his desires. Judging from the numerous pro-Hamas demonstrations in Montreal, a lot of other Montrealers do too.
What part of these statements from Supreme Leader Khamenei is not clear to you?
“Israel is a malignant, cancerous tumor in the region that must be cut off and eradicated.”
“Zionists… act like the guard dogs of global arrogance. Their nature is to bark and bite.”
“The cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region.”
“It is the Islamic Republic’s mission to erase Israel off the map.”
“If they commit even the smallest wrong, [we] will level Tel Aviv and Haifa to dust.”
“By Allah’s grace, in 25 years, nothing will remain of the Zionist regime in our region.”
“The Zionist virus that has lingered for years will soon be eliminated.”
“Death to Israel.”
Khamenei loathes the US as well, possibly even more so than Israel:
“Death to America… is like saying, ‘I seek God’s refuge from the accursed Satan,’... so the believer never forgets that Satan is ever ready to attack and destroy his spiritual shield.”
“‘Death to America’ means death to American policies and death to arrogance.”
“Death to America is not just a slogan – it is a policy.”
“America is the great Satan. This description is truly an excellent one.”
“The enmity from the US and Israel has always been there... if they commit any mischief, they will surely receive a strong reciprocal blow.”
These are not offhand barbs but strategic threats, calibrated to rally hard-liners at home and intimidate adversaries abroad. In Khamenei’s worldview, Israel and America are twin embodiments of “global arrogance” and “Zionist aggression” – cancers, dogs, viruses, and Satanic foes that must be expunged.
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I have no need or wish for Israel destruction. All I know is I am not going to blindfully believe any simple réthorique propanganda coming from someone who is on an agenda to expand his country’ s territory, regardless of UN multiple resolutions voted against him.
I have been getting photos from Israel and one of them is of a Chinese restaurant in downtown Tel Aviv. It appears badly damaged in the photos, and they will not be serving food to any customers for quite some time. I have been told it's the only Chinese restaurant in downtown Tel Aviv serving authentic Chinese fare, and for that reason, the Chinese embassy staff dine there. Although they will not be dining there any time soon.
There is a governmental entity in Israel called "Property Tax" which pays for the damage caused to property caused by terrorists and wartime actions. If it has enough money, when all the claims are sorted out, the Chinese restaurant will receive money to rebuild. If not, they will simply take the loss and rebuild with what funds they have.
There is a governmental entity in Israel called "Property Tax" which pays for the damage caused to property caused by terrorists and wartime actions. If it has enough money, when all the claims are sorted out, the Chinese restaurant will receive money to rebuild. If not, they will simply take the loss and rebuild with what funds they have.
If it is, indeed, the only authentic eatery for the embassy’s staff, I am sure the chineese authorities will solve the problems.
An interesting point here is that Trump has filled his cabinet and staff with isolationists like Tulsi Gabbard (the ex Democrat), who do not want to intervene based on the current intelligence and would like to leave the Israelis to their own devices. Trump is said to be butting heads with them, believing that the evidence of the uranium enrichment is evidence that Iran is dangerously close to nukes. How this will shake out in the coming days will be interesting to see. Will Trump be talked into staying out of the fray? I would like to stay out of it unless there is evidence of weapons in development, and if there is such evidence, they should be destroyed along with the people who are making them. And again, that job will fall on the U.S., because sure as shit nobody else will do it.
According to Israel, the people in charge are all dead as we speak. Now, when it comes to find evidences, I think it can only come from a UN delegation that will have full access to Iran’s installations.
It may sound utopic put this way but, think about it, Israel is about to destroy all of Iran’s ability to defend and attack, we shouldnt have any doubts about that. Iran are the ones who opened hostilities and Israel has been waiting for this moment since 1979.
If there is a nuclear military program, it is obviously not completed and with the Netanyahou hammer that hit them, most of their nuclear specialist are eliminated by now. So. for the moment, the nuke threat is not the emergency.
Once Iran’s army finds itself totally incapacitated there wont be much left for the ayatollah to negotiate, he will have to surrender and accept every single conditions put on his country.
Technically Israel did not attack Iran first. It was Iran that attacked Israel first with rockets and drones several months before in response to Israel action against Hezbollah which is the terrorist entity based in Lebanon and comprising of Arabs not Persians.
1984!!!
They've literally been bullshitting the world for 41 years!
I remember his goofy printout of a cartoon bomb lol
Meanwhile they have their own, won't admit it and won't allow inspectors while Iran does. But yeah, Iran is who we should be worried about. Suuure.
They've literally been bullshitting the world for 41 years!
I remember his goofy printout of a cartoon bomb lol
Meanwhile they have their own, won't admit it and won't allow inspectors while Iran does. But yeah, Iran is who we should be worried about. Suuure.
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The Times of Israel has a nice story today about David Barnea, the head of Israel's Mossad intelligence agency. We can confidently say that Mossad currently owns Iran, its proxies and their leaders. If you are one of those leaders who is still standing, you better be changing the location of where you sleep every night.
www.timesofisrael.com
Quietly transforming Mossad, David Barnea paved the way for triumph in Iran
Israel's spy chief worked from the shadows to build a campaign that has crippled Tehran, winning the backing of a once-reluctant IDF and shocking Iran, and the world, yet again
www.timesofisrael.com
Two key figures spearheaded Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s dramatic decision to launch sweeping strikes on Iran last week, targeting its nuclear facilities, ballistic missile infrastructure, military leadership, scientists and symbols of the regime: Mossad Director David Barnea and Air Force chief Maj. Gen. Tomer Bar.
Coordination between the Mossad spy agency’s activities on the ground and the Air Force’s strikes from the sky was “down to the millimeter in terms of complexity,” according to a senior Israeli defense official familiar with the details.
“They built an incredible plan, and we haven’t seen everything yet. The drone and beeper operations might pale in comparison to what may happen,” they said.
Unlike in the past, this time it was Mossad that devised the plan, with the military eagerly jumping in to carry it out.
National Security Adviser Tzachi Hanegbi, a longtime advocate for striking Iran, helped push Netanyahu and Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir to provide backup support, presenting the plans to the security cabinet, which gave them unanimous approval.
The military’s backing marked a stark departure. Since 2007, every IDF chief — including Gabi Ashkenazi, Benny Gantz, and Gadi Eisenkot — opposed attacking Iran, and the idea seemed to fall off the table with the 2015 nuclear deal between the US and Iran.
This time, it was Mossad operations leading the charge, based on a plan that had been put together by Barnea and his colleagues in the spy outfit over a year and a half.
When he took over the role of Mossad head in 2021, Barnea had concentrated on what was referred to as his “biometric revolution,” transforming the agency’s use of cutting-edge technology.
Two key figures spearheaded Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s dramatic decision to launch sweeping strikes on Iran last week, targeting its nuclear facilities, ballistic missile infrastructure, military leadership, scientists and symbols of the regime: Mossad Director David Barnea and Air Force chief Maj. Gen. Tomer Bar.
Coordination between the Mossad spy agency’s activities on the ground and the Air Force’s strikes from the sky was “down to the millimeter in terms of complexity,” according to a senior Israeli defense official familiar with the details.
“They built an incredible plan, and we haven’t seen everything yet. The drone and beeper operations might pale in comparison to what may happen,” they said.
Unlike in the past, this time it was Mossad that devised the plan, with the military eagerly jumping in to carry it out.
National Security Adviser Tzachi Hanegbi, a longtime advocate for striking Iran, helped push Netanyahu and Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir to provide backup support, presenting the plans to the security cabinet, which gave them unanimous approval.
The military’s backing marked a stark departure. Since 2007, every IDF chief — including Gabi Ashkenazi, Benny Gantz, and Gadi Eisenkot — opposed attacking Iran, and the idea seemed to fall off the table with the 2015 nuclear deal between the US and Iran.
This time, it was Mossad operations leading the charge, based on a plan that had been put together by Barnea and his colleagues in the spy outfit over a year and a half.
When he took over the role of Mossad head in 2021, Barnea had concentrated on what was referred to as his “biometric revolution,” transforming the agency’s use of cutting-edge technology.
“Barnea radically changed Mossad,” a senior defense official said. “He flipped the script and reached new heights in the use of technology for things like smart surveillance cameras and facial recognition. It wasn’t easy for him. Mossad is still a conservative organization, and Barnea had to fight many internal battles. In the end, he won, and we are seeing the result on the streets of Iran.
“Barnea is a brilliant operator,” the official added. “He’s thorough, with a different kind of charisma than his predecessor, Yossi Cohen. He’s someone who does the work without seeking headlines, so there’s no chance he’ll give interviews or talk about Mossad operations. Barnea isn’t full of himself. He can change his mind if someone convinces him otherwise. He’s not afraid that people might think he’s weak, unlike some other leaders.”
The 60-year-old approached the Iran issue from a place of basic distrust of the regime and a record of exceptional operational successes in recent years, especially since war broke out on October 7, 2023, with the Hamas-led invasion and massacre in southern Israel...
If there are any hints that Iran has indeed assembled a bomb it needs to be hit with all US might ASAP. It is probably a gun-type uranium bomb with the yield of about 10-15kT, i.e. close to Hiroshima bomb. If they have it, they sure are trying now mating several of them with rockets as Israeli defense has probability of 80-90% shutting rocket down. They may soon declare their nuclear capability but would not strike yet as all of Iran would be wiped out in responce. They will start blackmailing both Israel and US. Thus, as precondition not to strike, US should demand an immediate unrestricted inspection of all military facilities with removal of all fissile material and nothing less.
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