Lack of inclusivity within agencies in 2022

[Handi]

Hello all! Being an active client with a physical disability, I find that agencies are now being less and less inclusive. 2017-2018 was VERY different.

Why?

1. Now, the "best" providers are pretty much all doing only incalls, prioritizing volume and efficiency over values.

2. Outcalls agencies became a game of “they’re all good for you, book book book” the personalization is often gone… VERY important for a disabled client.

3. Bookers rarely educate, teach and brief a provider before a booking.

4. Only indys advertise as being a service provider for disabled person. Some even offer discount and/or no outcalls extras. Why nothing with agencies?

What is happening with agencies? How can we change this? Any agency want to take the lead here? How can we change this?

This opinion is not only from me, but also shared from friends within the community.

 

[Handi]

So you see disability as an hassle? This is a mentality prioritizing money and simplicity over contributing to the industry/society.

Indys are now 400/h+, not many people can pay that.

 

[Bbw hunter]

So you see disability as an hassle? This is a mentality prioritizing money and simplicity over contributing to the industry/society.

Indys are now 400/h+, not many people can pay that.

I believe Patron is speaking from the perspective of a booker, not his own belief.

 

[Fradi]

So you see disability as an hassle? This is a mentality prioritizing money and simplicity over contributing to the industry/society.

Indys are now 400/h+, not many people can pay that.

It is simply catering to the majority which is what brings in the $$$.
These agencies are profit priority they are not really interested in catering to a minority.
It is unfortunate but everything is usually about $$$.
The agency owner is doing it for $$$ and so are the SP.

As mentioned Indy’s do offer specialized services for handicapped people some even offer a discount but yes they do not come cheap they too are in it for the obvious $$$.
As far as how many can pay $400h+ the answer to that is easy, obviously enough or many, otherwise they would be offering a different price range.

 

[MCTJ]

2. Outcalls agencies became a game of “they’re all good for you, book book book” the personalization is often gone… VERY important for a disabled client

Looking at your recent reviews, you seem to have had good experiences with outcall agencies...Can you elaborate on the part about lack of personalization? Yes, for sure, they want to make money, but if you repeat with a specific agency you'll get to know the booker(s) and they'll get to know you. I can't comment on disability-related issues, but I have found Celina to be helpful at Vog.

 

[Handi]

Those are 2 reviews out of 20 bookings in last 5 months. Vog has been bad on recommending, xxxtase stopped answering after knowing my handicap. Incalls agencies refuse to book me most of their superstars. It wasn’t like that before and they should be ashamed.
Fyi @agencies, your missing a big business opportunity here

 

[Handi]

Perhaps you can call the smaller agencies and see what happens. They will probably give you more attention.



Agreed. Celina really is my favorite booker. Always pleasant and tries to get me booked with the SP I want to see. (Unfortunately haven't used Vogue in a couple months, they haven't had any new spinners on the roster.)

But is "educating" an SP for a disabled client really their job? I feel like you have to sort that out on your own.... And repeat with SPs who can deliver what you want...

Educating is the job of the employer to explain how to communicate and understand someone’s different needs.
I understand they want money, but why not making money and ALSO contributing to the community?

 

[kstanb]

many top indy companions have a special rate for clients with physical disabilities

 

[bodick7]

Educating is the job of the employer to explain how to communicate and understand someone’s different needs.
I understand they want money, but why not making money and ALSO contributing to the community?

Hum…agencies are not like big corporations who care about their marketing images…
If let say McDonalds decides to accommodate disabled folks with proper accessibility, it’s not to make profit and certainly not for contributing the community but to enhance their corporate image.
I don’t think agency owners would go that way because it’s not part of their marketing plans…

 

[Anna Bijou]

I think you're all missing the point and I don't think it should be about individual business. I think it's more about being an inclusive society, which includes businesses. Marketing plans or brands shouldn't have anything to do with it. it's not a buzzword, it should be part of our core values. Clearly, we're a long way from being there.

 

[Anna Bijou]

xxxtase stopped answering after knowing my handicap

That's pretty messed up if that's true and it's the real reason.

 

[Eric23]

I think you're all missing the point and I don't think it should be about individual business. I think it's more about being an inclusive society, which includes businesses. Marketing plans or brands shouldn't have anything to do with it. it's not a buzzword, it should be part of our core values. Clearly, we're a long way from being there.

I agree with this. Society as a whole in Quebec has moved more towards a certain ideology that is less inclusive of people.

 

[bodick7]

I agree with this. Society as a whole in Quebec has moved more towards a certain ideology that is less inclusive of people.

Bizarre statement.
If it was the case, all ROC and rest of world would be more inclusive and this a myth.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

Each woman has the right to decide who she will deal with. Isn't it?
I doubt every women within an agency will want to meet disable gents. We can be sorry but we can't help it.

 

[bodick7]

Each woman has the right to decide who she will deal with. Isn't it?
I doubt every women within an agency will want to meet disable gents. We can be sorry but we can't help it.

Sure but for the ones who can, bookers could maybe do something. Maybe at least, ask if anyone wants to take charge.
Maybe they have enough troubles providing services to « normal » gents…

 

[Handi]

I think you're all missing the point and I don't think it should be about individual business. I think it's more about being an inclusive society, which includes businesses. Marketing plans or brands shouldn't have anything to do with it. it's not a buzzword, it should be part of our core values. Clearly, we're a long way from being there.

This! My point is not that there is no options. My point is every agency should make this important, because they lead the industry and it's a society issue.

 

[bodick7]

Obviously, agencies aren’t a microcosm of society.
It is an industry yes but with his own.rules.

 

[Halloween Mike]

There was a time where i could see almost anyone beside maybe 1 or 2 girls (that would refuse categoricaly to do outcalls) in the top agencies as an outcall. Now its not the case anymore. As some said, they want to maximize profits and accomodate the providers who probably prefer staying in one place rather than be driven in town and having to deal with heat in summer and cold in winter. Also no driving time = more job time and no gaz money. Does i find it really disapointing? Yes. But what can we do?

What exactly is your disability? If you are in a wheelchair, usually the incalls are accessible to them as they have elevators etc. Now obviously i understand it would be easier to stay home.

As for "educating" well again i guess it depend on your disability, but as peoples said, lots of them are 23 years or such young lady and they do this to make money fast to fill their party life (by party i mean going out, having fun, not drugs particulary) or could be to pay their school, lots of reasons, but point be they may not aim for this as a "career".

Anyway i feel your pain and im the first guy annoyed at the lack of outcalls compare to couple years ago, but nothing we can do...

 

[Handi]

Yes they want money and yes agencies are a business.

but hey, i own a business and my favourite clients are not those who pay me the most, they are the one I impact to most positively.

why sex industry should be different?

i also work for money

 

[Anna Bijou]

Each woman has the right to decide who she will deal with. Isn't it?
I doubt every women within an agency will want to meet disable gents. We can be sorry but we can't help it.

He's not saying providers are refusing to see him, he's saying agencies are not willing to even try to accommodate.

Obviously, agencies aren’t a microcosm of « normal » society.
It is an industry yes but with his own.rules.

Sure but there's zero reason for an agency to be discriminatory. And if we want to be seen as legitimate and serious industry, then yeah, there are some societal values such as inclusivity, which is pretty basic, that should be a priority in 2022.