Rates include their transportation costs as well
Lack of talent?
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Rates include their transportation costs as well
You mean the rate listed on the website does or that it's a separate cost? Sorry. Just looking to clarify. Thank you
Rate is all inclusive, except for any extras that are at the discretion of the SP (like CIM, Greek, etc)
Ok, I officially love Montreal then
Sorry...
I don't think it's like any surprise but to me anyway, Montreal has the prettiest women as well, so I guess I don't really understand
But damn, I wish I could move for real.
Luck of talent?
I always thought that this is the complain about the luck of talent in already practicing SPs. But people discuss only novelty and quantity. Just use other words for those. Confusing.
I always thought that this is the complain about the luck of talent in already practicing SPs. But people discuss only novelty and quantity. Just use other words for those. Confusing.
These rates apply only if you stay in the city, if you are staying outside downtown, there is a travel fee of 20-40$ added on to the regular hourly fee, depending on your location.
came accross this post by chance...don't want to nitpick, $140 for Eleganza was a good price compared to today? Eleganza was 20 years ago lol. Today's top agencies are $280-$300, sounds about right. Sounds like normal inflation to me.
I always avoided this thread due to its title, with the fear that my mother created a post about me. (But I digress, and will save this for my therapist)
Very interesting read and a lot of good insights. I think it's not really a lack of talent, but a lack of access to available talent. Be it the price, the risk or other parameters. I only book Incall and really wished VOG would offer that.
Very interesting read and a lot of good insights. I think it's not really a lack of talent, but a lack of access to available talent. Be it the price, the risk or other parameters. I only book Incall and really wished VOG would offer that.
Long time lurker.
Post COVID, the quality of talent has definitely declined and anyone who disagrees is either being dishonest or has unconventional preferences.
Most men prefer young thin women with long hair, minimal tattoos, and minimal plastic surgery. Think of someone like an Olivia Dunne. Before COVID, these types of providers were fairly common if not the majority.
Post COVID, the average provider is significantly older (25+, if not well into their 30s), heavier, more covered in tattoos, and more likely to have distasteful plastic surgery like goofy duck lips. The quality of service has also significantly declined with agencies and providers still advertising GFE but most refusing DFK and barely tolerating LFK. Clearly, nobody should be compelled to do anything that they don't want to do but they should be honest and advertise themselves as "Non-GFE" but they won't because they know that they won't get any business especially with the current rates. It also doesn't help that there are also legions of simps and white knights who excuse this dishonest behavior and even advocate for clients to earn these "privileges" by bringing gifts or becoming a "regular" to establish rapport with the provider. Rushing clients to finish and outright cutting the hour short has also become common place.
Unfortunately, things are unlikely to improve. With declining birth rates in the Western world, there are fewer and fewer young women in general. And of the few young women that there are, many can make much more money doing "digital sex work" like OnlyFans as others have mentioned.
Post COVID, the quality of talent has definitely declined and anyone who disagrees is either being dishonest or has unconventional preferences.
Most men prefer young thin women with long hair, minimal tattoos, and minimal plastic surgery. Think of someone like an Olivia Dunne. Before COVID, these types of providers were fairly common if not the majority.
Post COVID, the average provider is significantly older (25+, if not well into their 30s), heavier, more covered in tattoos, and more likely to have distasteful plastic surgery like goofy duck lips. The quality of service has also significantly declined with agencies and providers still advertising GFE but most refusing DFK and barely tolerating LFK. Clearly, nobody should be compelled to do anything that they don't want to do but they should be honest and advertise themselves as "Non-GFE" but they won't because they know that they won't get any business especially with the current rates. It also doesn't help that there are also legions of simps and white knights who excuse this dishonest behavior and even advocate for clients to earn these "privileges" by bringing gifts or becoming a "regular" to establish rapport with the provider. Rushing clients to finish and outright cutting the hour short has also become common place.
Unfortunately, things are unlikely to improve. With declining birth rates in the Western world, there are fewer and fewer young women in general. And of the few young women that there are, many can make much more money doing "digital sex work" like OnlyFans as others have mentioned.
But they are not the same as agencies. You don't get the same services, its a lot more YMMV and the prices are not the same and can be "random". I been in the business 15 years and i never been to a massage parlor. Came close a few times because i knew a specific girl i wanted to see was there, but the uncertain factor made me decided to not go.
I agree with OP that the outcall scene sadly has drastically shrink. But personally i had great services from Luxury and they have some SPs i would like to (re)meet and i guess unlike OP even tough i don't like it as much, i resolved myself that sometimes ill have to do incalls...
You don’t even hobby enough to know what the rates are these days, so why comment? If you want to voluntarily light up your cash, have at it! I’ll be chuckling on the sidelines. Incredible you’re actually quoting even higher rates than they are! Ridiculous!! But you don’t even hobby in Montreal at any kind of volume, so the whole point is moot. White knights who defend paying higher rates, wanting to pay higher rates!!… SMH. Just as bad as the NewYorkers who go everywhere and exclaim “OMG, this is so cheap, I’d happily pay so much more!” And in turn crank up inflation for everyone else.
The point is Montreal used to be a bargain. Admittedly, it was probably charging less than true value for the GFE standards 10-20 years ago. The whole point was the rates didn’t keep up with inflation! That’s what made it a bargain!
That bargain gap however has closed, and perhaps rates have even overshot in the last 2-4 years. Today, it’s fair value, maybe even overpriced for the actual experience clients receive. Combine that with the general inflation in Montreal cost of living / visiting - there are better places in the world for hobby travel. That was the point.
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why do you say i dont hobby enough to know about rates??? i hobby TOO much lol
Montreal is still cheaper than toronto and vancouver. I wish i could experience 1999 prices, I could go 5x a week
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I wasn't so sure about this, but the College-Age (aka Prime SP) Cohort is significantly (~20%) smaller than their predecessors 10 years ago in both Canada and Quebec:
Age Pyramids
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It appears things may improve for those still in the hobby 7-10 years from now lol.
But I think the decline in the "participation rate" has been an even bigger factor than the size of the "prime age workforce". A few years ago it seemed all the girls at XO were using their earnings to get into flipping condos and leave the industry. There are still a lot of opportunities for hot girls to make money as a waitress, bottle girl, etc. Will be interesting to see if an economic downturn leads to a rebound in the participation rate.
I remember SD around 2010 when you could book 3 hrs for about $450, was not around in 1999.
Literally all of the Central America and most of South America.
LOL. You pose this as if it’s a challenge! Folks need to travel more…
I don’t do ghetto Asians or ladyboys, so no idea about 3rd world Asia - but you get better value pretty much everywhere in South America, Eastern Europe, Budapest which is more Central Europe, heck even Western Europe - German FKKs and Spain. Especially with the currency exchange rates in the last 2 years.
If I’m stuck with incalls anyways, Spanish brothels have superior facilities. I’ve never had issues getting everything I wanted in Germany for 100€, and with the German economy in the dumps in the last year, it’s even easier. And I get to check out the merchandise, and I can sauna and snack for a few leisurely hours of the day. Superior value. The only suck is it used to be 50€ only 5-6 years ago…
As for 3rd world - there’s always a 3rd world dynamic, even within countries. It’s that dynamic that enables hobbies like ours. Quebec was a 3rd world province for years relative to Ontario and BC, given the local government priorities - certainly wasn’t economic prosperity for all. I remember the OGs here on MERB telling stories about wild encounters on the South Shore, or a few hours outside of Montreal for a fraction of what we pay now. There used to be a steady stream of girls from Middle of nowhere, Quebec, basically 3rd world, who came to Montreal agencies, barely speaking English and were absolute legends in sessions. Montreal locals were never a large fraction of the supply. Hell, look at Miami, you’ve got 3rd world neighborhoods right next to million dollar mansions. It was and is a damn paradise. A country’s status as first world or third world has no bearing. Even the US, there are still places today that experienced punters know that are on par with Montreal, places that always existed and were competitive, and still are.
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And you decided to respond with this to the wrong person
I have been to all of those places for the past several years. None of those are even close to Montreal.
I have been hobbying in Eastern Europe. Name actual places that are good?
Let's talk about Privats in Hungary? Most have shut down since 2020. Have you been recently? rosszlanyok? Have you dealt with rosszlanyok lately? Half of them are no-shows and the other half take 500 exchanges to set anything up. You're saying that's better than Montreal? When you find actual good ones, they're great, but you can get that in Montreal in 1 single phone call, without needing Google translate
German FKKs? German FKKs have been crap since 2018. 100 euros and upcharges for every basic thing. And again, wrong person to challenge on this, I worked in Frankfurt every 2 months for years. FKK Sharks and FKK Oasis were the top two rated FKKs for years. I have been to both every time I work in Frankfurt. It's all Romanian upchargers. 150, 300 euros even. You have to fight to get anything for 100 euros. When was the last time you were there? FKKs don't even come close to Montreal.
Spain? Where? Again, I work in Europe frequently. I am in Barcelona all the time. the sexomercado board is where I go. It's the same 4 agencies, and they never have talent. The top agency there are lasuite, vincinitas (spelling?), and teens. It's been the same roster for the past year.
As for the South America, don't be vague, name the places. I've done Mexico, Colombia, and Argentina. None come close to Montreal. If anyone has suggestions, I would love to hear!
If I were to name a place that actually offers great service, diversity, and probably even better than Montreal, is London. But London agencies charge 4x as much as Montreal. So Montreal still wins out.
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So many nuggets to react to in this post and its previous version!!
Though it seems like you edited out some of the funniest bits! Like when you trotted out your bona fides - that you’re a globetrotting consultant (oh my, then surely you must be genius and be all knowing!
…Unless, God forbid, you’re Accenture! ), that you’re a Sharks VIP (does the different color robe bring out the gorgeous color in your eyes?… Or your wallet? ), that you think London is a deal (noticed you re-worked that wording ha). We got it. We got it! You’re a jetsetter who is flush with cash and smarter than the rest of us! Wooohooo! Congrats!The fact that you pay 150-300€ for German FKK sessions and that you put London anywhere within a country mile of a sentence about ”a good deal” - immediately disqualifies you from any discussion regarding value! Immediately, zero credibility. I’m no consultant - so I’m not smart enough to come up with 3 points. But these 2 should be enough…
Yes, you travel. But surely you don’t travel “like a local.” Or with any interest in cost optimization. The Germans have a name for people like you who distort pricing for the locals. And it’s not flattering… Which is fine. To each his own. But that wasn’t the point of my post. My post was about value.
A post I made, in fact, while sitting in the sun room in Oase, killing time and recovering for my next session. Sitting in FRA now after wrapping up a week in Frankfurt. So yes, I’ve been to Germany, recently and often. I spend half my year in Europe, and visit Germany every quarter.
No idea what you’re referring to about Romanian orphanages. Yes, German FKK’s are populated by mostly Romanians. It’s always been that way. Since my first visit to Artemis 13 years ago to today. I have no issues with Romanians. Some are pushy and not very attractive. But many are hot af with few inhibitions. Though, I’ve never payed 200€, let alone 300€, for a session. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve paid 150€, and those were for the hottest girls and a hankering for Greek. That you overpay so grossly means you’re a mark. Plain and simple. Only a schmuck would pay that. And the locals hate you for it. And if you look down on and don’t appreciate Romanians - all the better for me and the Germans. Leave them to us! Lol.
Same with South America and all that sketchiness your dainty self felt. I’m not alone, even on this board, in knowing there are great experiences and bargains to be had all over South America.
People like you are exactly why many don’t share. What’s there to gain? So you can go spoil previously unspoiled bargains all around the world? I’d be a moron to write a how-to for people like you. So yeah, Budapest, Germany, Spain, South America - they’re awful. All soooo awful! Please please stay away!
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