Lack of talent?

[Gazoo64]

So euphoria and xo have you leave 20 minutes before your session is up??? Thats fucked up! I cant believe guys are alright with that! Or an I misunderstanding something here?

I deal mostly with xo. I am not alright with this and I do not leave 20 mins early.

But this is what happens. Lately the appointments are usually delayed by an average of 10 mins. So by the time I get the code and apartment # and go up, it’s already 15 mins past the hour.

The SP usually sets the timer at 10 mins before the hour. Most of the SPs don’t adjust for the delayed start time, which was the agency’s fault. So it ends up being a 40-45 min appointment.

Not saying this happens ALL the time, but quite often. I’ve cut down with 1-hour agency appointments quite a bit.
There was a separate thread discussing these issues.

I mostly see my ATF or a few regulars, who will give me the full time (and with whom I have good chemistry).
Cheers!

 

[cpp433]

I deal mostly with xo. I am not alright with this and I do not leave 20 mins early.

But this is what happens. Lately the appointments are usually delayed by an average of 10 mins. So by the time I get the code and apartment # and go up, it’s already 15 mins past the hour.

The SP usually sets the timer at 10 mins before the hour. Most of the SPs don’t adjust for the delayed start time, which was the agency’s fault. So it ends up being a 40-45 min appointment.

Not saying this happens ALL the time, but quite often. I’ve cut down with 1-hour agency appointments quite a bit.
There was a separate thread discussing these issues.

I mostly see my ATF or a few regulars, who will give me the full time (and with whom I have good chemistry).
Cheers!

The clock shouldnt start until you step foot into the apartment, that is COMPLETELY rediculous! Can anyone on here confirm if this is a tactic that euphoria does as well or is it (hopefully) xo exclusive?

 

[IamNY]

Tampa is a fantastic city for a 48 hour or even 36 hour winter getaway from North Jersey. It’s sometimes warm enough to jump in the pool or hit a nearby beach in the afternoon, and you have similar Montreal activities - hockey, casino and great restaurants.

Berns steakhouse is my favorite restaurant in the world and is often ranked #1 or #2 steakhouse in the US. Biggest wine selection of any US restaurant. If traveling solo, sit at the remodeled bar.

And in contrast to Montreal, there is no border crossing. Again, nothing against Montreal, but a one night stay in Tampa and then a quality escort booking back home is a fine alternative to combine travel and a hot lady.

Try Hattricks next time in Tampa. Great sports bar and terrific eye candy!

 

[wolfie7]

The clock shouldnt start until you step foot into the apartment, that is COMPLETELY rediculous! Can anyone on here confirm if this is a tactic that euphoria does as well or is it (hopefully) xo exclusive?

I can only speak for Euphoria and Vogue - I don't find this to be an issue with them. When James is booking, I know he slots 15 minutes between appointments to give the girl some buffer. And if they're late, it's on them, no loss of time to me. Vogue may be late arriving, which is normal for an outcall agency because of traffic, weather, other pickups, etc. - but Franky and Celina have always been great about making sure clients get their full time. A non-issue for those agencies. Which is the right thing to do.

With showers before and after, it's always worked out to be a 45-50 minute experience. Depending on the SP - I've gone over sometimes because we both lose track of time. I've never had a booker chew me out for 5-10 minutes over (including the shower / clean-up time). Back in the old days, when girls' schedules weren't so packed, you could actually call the booker with 10-15 minutes to go, and extend the session another half hour or hour. xxxtase, Vogue, Wildtimes... Can't imagine that ever happening now. And with SPs you knew well, especially with outcalls previously, 15-30 minutes over time would never be a problem. The number of hours with Zoe where an hour wasn't an exact hour... Again, can't imagine that happening now.

And these days, to be honest, if there's little connection / no kissing / unattractive face / no DATY / etc., I don't really want to spend the full hour. Once I get off, the job's done. For most of these girls the last 2 years in Montreal, I'm more than happy to leave with 15 minutes to go, or for them to leave my hotel room, just so I don't waste any of MY time.

Realistically, unless you're on the blues, I can't imagine having FS for more than 15-20 minutes. More likely 10-15 minutes at best. Which is why FKK's make a lot of sense for me at the moment. 30-40 minutes of real action is more than enough time. And you can chat up an SP on their time in the lounge, if that tickles your fancy.

 

[Gazoo64]

The clock shouldnt start until you step foot into the apartment, that is COMPLETELY rediculous! Can anyone on here confirm if this is a tactic that euphoria does as well or is it (hopefully) xo exclusive?

This is what I’ve sometimes experienced, I think some others have said the same. I know that the clock shouldn’t start until I arrive at the apartment, but what can we do, argue with the SP for 10 mins? It will ruin the encounter.

I think this started happening more often when they stopped giving the SPs breaks between clients. As I understand, sometimes clients get booked back to back, with no breaks.

Anyway, as I said, I don’t book 1-hour appointments as often. Or if I do to get a quick fix, I’ll leave when I’m done anyway, so I don’t care about 10-15 min less.

Maybe others can chime in!

 

[Kenshiro2029]

I can only speak for Euphoria and Vogue - I don't find this to be an issue with them. When James is booking, I know he slots 15 minutes between appointments to give the girl some buffer. And if they're late, it's on them, no loss of time to me. Vogue may be late arriving, which is normal for an outcall agency because of traffic, weather, other pickups, etc. - but Franky and Celina have always been great about making sure clients get their full time. A non-issue for those agencies. Which is the right thing to do.

With showers before and after, it's always worked out to be a 45-50 minute experience. Depending on the SP - I've gone over sometimes because we both lose track of time. I've never had a booker chew me out for 5-10 minutes over (including the shower / clean-up time). Back in the old days, when girls' schedules weren't so packed, you could actually call the booker with 10-15 minutes to go, and extend the session another half hour or hour. xxxtase, Vogue, Wildtimes... Can't imagine that ever happening now. And with SPs you knew well, especially with outcalls previously, 15-30 minutes over time would never be a problem. The number of hours with Zoe where an hour wasn't an exact hour... Again, can't imagine that happening now.

And these days, to be honest, if there's little connection / no kissing / unattractive face / no DATY / etc., I don't really want to spend the full hour. Once I get off, the job's done. For most of these girls the last 2 years in Montreal, I'm more than happy to leave with 15 minutes to go, or for them to leave my hotel room, just so I don't waste any of MY time.

Realistically, unless you're on the blues, I can't imagine having FS for more than 15-20 minutes. More likely 10-15 minutes at best. Which is why FKK's make a lot of sense for me at the moment. 30-40 minutes of real action is more than enough time. And you can chat up an SP on their time in the lounge, if that tickles your fancy.

10 times yes! I’m planning my first trip to a FKK, maybe I should open a thread to get some info from you guys. The international sex guide site is quite ummmm not what it used to be. I’d love to go to a place where we have a drink and then he do the act and then drink more. Do you think that would be possible in Montreal one day?

 

[wolfie7]

10 times yes! I’m planning my first trip to a FKK, maybe I should open a thread to get some info from you guys. The international sex guide site is quite ummmm not what it used to be. I’d love to go to a place where we have a drink and then he do the act and then drink more. Do you think that would be possible in Montreal one day?

Never. The girlie men will have a collective aneurysm en masse. Dear God, but the women!! Hahahaha...

 

[CLOUD 500]

10 times yes! I’m planning my first trip to a FKK, maybe I should open a thread to get some info from you guys. The international sex guide site is quite ummmm not what it used to be. I’d love to go to a place where we have a drink and then he do the act and then drink more. Do you think that would be possible in Montreal one day?

Not going to happen ever in Canada. Too puritanical here. They are trying to follow the US model with puritanical laws. The government is making it as hostile as possible for stripclubs so they all shut down.

 

[Kenshiro2029]

You need to step up your seeking game bro… I easily got incredible services recently for 200-250. Yes you need to work and it’s time consuming to find gems. But nothing great comes easy in life…

So kinda dating but not dating because you pay upfront PPM?

 

[cpp433]

This is what I’ve sometimes experienced, I think some others have said the same. I know that the clock shouldn’t start until I arrive at the apartment, but what can we do, argue with the SP for 10 mins? It will ruin the encounter.

I think this started happening more often when they stopped giving the SPs breaks between clients. As I understand, sometimes clients get booked back to back, with no breaks.

Anyway, as I said, I don’t book 1-hour appointments as often. Or if I do to get a quick fix, I’ll leave when I’m done anyway, so I don’t care about 10-15 min less.

Maybe others can chime in!

Sometimes or not, ONCE is inexcusable! Would you be permitted to be $15 short on the envelope? Hell no! What if your 10 minutes late? That gets taken out of YOUR time, so they get no quarter on their end either, it doesnt matter if you book for one hour or ten that shouldnt happen, no obviously i don’t recommend arguing with the lady but i would certainly politely say something like “are you sure about that time? I thought i arrived at….” If she still maintained that was the time i would say something to the booker, again politely “ you texted me the code at …. But she started the clock at…. Why did you guys not coordinate correctly?” If they also blew you off then i would just never use them again because doing so tells them that you are alright with it and they will continue that behavior

 

[RobertNYC]

Try Hattricks next time in Tampa. Great sports bar and terrific eye candy!

Will do. I’m usually good for a visit to Press Box, Brick House Tavern and of course Hooters on Hillsborough Ave.

 

[Obvio-0bvio]

You need to step up your seeking game bro… I easily got incredible services recently for 200-250. Yes you need to work and it’s time consuming to find gems. But nothing great comes easy in life…

As I mentioned before, you can certainly find a good service providers through time-consuming efforts via seeking arrangemen but it often involves a lot of chatting and negotiating. All this trouble just to save a few dollars and end up with a terrible service. Personally, I prefer to stick with agency service providers because I know what to expect and they know their job well, unlike guiding inexperienced service providers through the process like a baby step. I simply don't have the time.

When it comes to physical appearance, seeking arrangemen might offer more attractive ladies, but when it comes to enthusiasm, attitude, and overall service, I must commend the service providers from agencies. I would choose good service and a positive attitude any time of the day over just having attractive ladies. After all, I probably won't see her again, so beauty is essentially useless to me. However, a good service experience stays in your head day in and day out, providing a memorable encounter.

 

[vincesuri]

I have been going to Montreal for several years. I feel the industry hasn’t quite recovered after the pandemic. The agencies no longer have the GND type young girls anymore. I see most girls are older (25+) and are the ones who are doing this full time. Whatever happened to the young college girls who do CEGEP program. My best experiences were with those. Somehow I am not able to find anyone of that type anymore. What has changed?

 

[IamNY]

What has changed?

Only Fans. So many other ways for the younger ladies to make a buck.

 

[1tal1un]

I do not see a lack of talent at all, in fact there are as many sex workers as before. They simply migrated to other areas. I see more and more Indys then ever before, many turned to OnlyFans, and do not forget the large availability of girls at MPs.

However Bill C-36 changed the game forever. On Merb we cannot discuss details of MPs or stripclub encounters anymore. It tipped the scales bigtime in the girls favor. Most girls know about bill C-36 and use it to their advantage hence the big rise of scams on Leolist types of sites. They know the client has no recourse. It also makes it more risky to operate an agency. Escort agencies kept prices lower as they have the resources to be able to offer services at a lower rate and they did not have to screen as agencies have backup. More girls moving to Indy means higher prices and more screening. In ten years I see the escort scene in Canada be very similar to the USA, very high prices and intense screening.

On a final note, rapid population increase via excessive immigration adds oil to a fire. It is increasing demand rapidly and we see it. Agencies fully booked fast, less interest in customer service or providing an excellent service because there are 100 other johns available. With Bill C-36 that made scamming common on Leolist types of sites, it further reduced the supply of good GFE honest escorts. So as you can see reduced supply plus higher demand turns it into a sellers market.

And lastly but not the least, is OnlyFans. This has hijacked the sex business. Many girls are wanting to get paid just to be watched. Almost any young girl can open OnlyFans, it is very common with American girls. I see many Instagram accounts of beautiful American girls and so many got an OnlyFans link attached to their profile. Social media made girls very entitled. Not all are like this but the amount of these types are increasing. I do not see it improving, it will get more worse.

IMO, you summarized it pretty well!
New member thoughts. I frequented predominantly MP's. I have tried the agency route but came away from it as if I bought a car that came off the production line. Next!!
The Indy route does offer a more intimate session but has become pricier.
I have just returned from a 3 week trip to Thailand. The choices are mind-blowing. I understand that one can't make a comparison as the economics are different. But it's the approach the ladies have when it comes to spending time with the client. The culture is open to sex work even though prostitution is illegal. But even there OnlyFans is creeping into the scene and will eventually change the landscape.

 

[envelopes]

I have been going to Montreal for several years. I feel the industry hasn’t quite recovered after the pandemic. The agencies no longer have the GND type young girls anymore. I see most girls are older (25+) and are the ones who are doing this full time. Whatever happened to the young college girls who do CEGEP program. My best experiences were with those. Somehow I am not able to find anyone of that type anymore. What has changed?

Only Fans. So many other ways for the younger ladies to make a buck.

Yep, the same reason in every other city, not just Montreal: OnlyFans.

 

[MtlGuyNow]

IMO, you summarized it pretty well!
New member thoughts. I frequented predominantly MP's. I have tried the agency route but came away from it as if I bought a car that came off the production line. Next!!
The Indy route does offer a more intimate session but has become pricier.
I have just returned from a 3 week trip to Thailand. The choices are mind-blowing. I understand that one can't make a comparison as the economics are different. But it's the approach the ladies have when it comes to spending time with the client. The culture is open to sex work even though prostitution is illegal. But even there OnlyFans is creeping into the scene and will eventually change the landscape.

It was pretty common to rent a motorbike and a « girlfriend » for the week.

 

[2fast2slow]

i have said this before, while agencies have dwindled, massage parlours have flourished. would argue there are 3X more girls in parlours than in agencies. That being said, the average age of the girls I have seen in the MPs is a lot closer to 30 something rather than 20 something

 

[somelikeithawtt]

I'm coming to Montreal in May, and am curious about the rates for agencies like VOG. There's a rate on their website that says $250 to $270 per hour. As per other people's mentions, it looks as if they're an agency that does mainly outcalls. Is it $250-$270 as a flat rate, or is that just for the time. Are we talking also having pricing for the uber or taxi ride over? I'm just curious to get a low down on it, and what reputable agencies in Montreal are doing incall
Thank you

 

[LC18]

what reputable agencies in Montreal are doing incall

xo and euphoria I think, not sure