For me personally i just ain’t seeing as many girls as i would like, due to the outcall scene shrinking with two popular agencies going exclusively or nearly exclusively to incall, i dont do incall nor see indys so the supply is limited down to vog/ luxury/ sensation/ velvetlove as agencies that i trust
Lack of talent?
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I blame C-36, the merging and dissapearance of most ad sites, explosion in scams, bait and switch, COVID, price increases, limited schedules (early closing),advanced bookings, social media, camming/OF, are also all contributing to decreasing in selection. If you've been here long enough, you've seen who you wanted to see and skipped on the ones you never will.
I used to enjoy TOFTT and discovering new girls. The main reasons why I don't meet as many girls: price, limited service, unavailable at night or refuses last minute (in that order).
I used to enjoy TOFTT and discovering new girls. The main reasons why I don't meet as many girls: price, limited service, unavailable at night or refuses last minute (in that order).
I keep reading about the lack of talent... really? I mean, aren't there more ladies offering their services than ever before?
The talent may be diluted amongst all the crap on LeoList but it's certainly there.
Or is it that the top SPs have mostly become indies and they're out of reach to most of us financially? I could afford indies but on a less frequent basis and unfortunately, I like to fuck a lot
The talent may be diluted amongst all the crap on LeoList but it's certainly there.
Or is it that the top SPs have mostly become indies and they're out of reach to most of us financially? I could afford indies but on a less frequent basis and unfortunately, I like to fuck a lot
I agree, there seems to be alot more options than previously, and I also think we've come to expect and generally receive a certain level of standard of service, especially in regards to the top agencies/indies. Although the quality of experience may vary from SP to SP, there is alot less bait and switch, at least as far as I can tell.
Or is it that the top SPs have mostly become indies and they're out of reach to most of us financially? I could afford indies but on a less frequent basis and unfortunately, I like to fuck a lot
I will start by saying that , in around 16 years of hobbying, I have never seen such a surge in Indy rates as what we have witnessed in the past 3 years. This cannot go without consequences, the first that comes to mind is eliminating a big chunk of the blue collar clientele as their salaries didn’t follow the same exponential curve. So it would just be natural for them to stick to incall agencies therefore, making the incall section more popular and active than the outcall section.
Bingo! The Montreal escort scene has taken a step backward, and for many the trend toward incall makes Montreal just one of a hundred cities for escorts. The girl stopping by your hotel was a big part of the lure and charm as evidenced in reviews.
The big agencies still book up and are making $. It just seems to be more of an assembly line approach with incall being the preferred format - and a little less exciting.
Simply writing you walked into an incall and did this and that with a girl who has been on the Montreal escort scene for three years does not provide for alot of reader engagement. Although that doesn’t mean those reviews are not useful. The bloom is off the Montreal rose so to speak. But it comes and goes in cycles
Kind of an odd thread, but I guess it served it's purpose to stimulate discussion.
I agree with Robert on the Montreal scene having taken a step backwards. Two main reasons I would cite would be (1) the top 2 agencies XO and Euphoria switching to incall only, and (2) the deterioration of the indie scene in terms of pricing and screening requirements. For these reasons and a couple others I put Montreal on the backburner in 2023, and focused on other enjoyable destinations when I travel.
However, I'll be back in Montreal soon and to my surprise, I'm actually back to my usual "giddy" state when preparing for a trip to Montreal. My TDL line-up is about 20 long, where realistically I will only be able to see about 6-7. Will be focusing a bit more on the outcall agencies including Vogue and Sensation, repeats to some of my favorite spas like MNM and Avalon, a few indie massage ladies if I can book, and a visit to Kingdom. Yeah I'll be checking on XO and Euphoria and will swing for the incall option if I can book a couple of their stars, though I wish they had some outcall options even if it came with a surcharge.
I agree with Robert on the Montreal scene having taken a step backwards. Two main reasons I would cite would be (1) the top 2 agencies XO and Euphoria switching to incall only, and (2) the deterioration of the indie scene in terms of pricing and screening requirements. For these reasons and a couple others I put Montreal on the backburner in 2023, and focused on other enjoyable destinations when I travel.
However, I'll be back in Montreal soon and to my surprise, I'm actually back to my usual "giddy" state when preparing for a trip to Montreal. My TDL line-up is about 20 long, where realistically I will only be able to see about 6-7. Will be focusing a bit more on the outcall agencies including Vogue and Sensation, repeats to some of my favorite spas like MNM and Avalon, a few indie massage ladies if I can book, and a visit to Kingdom. Yeah I'll be checking on XO and Euphoria and will swing for the incall option if I can book a couple of their stars, though I wish they had some outcall options even if it came with a surcharge.
Exactly, and well stated. The locals up North still live in one of the best cities for escorts.
Nothing against Montreal as a tourist destination, but if I’m going to spend 6 or more hours traveling somewhere in the colder months, I’ll take a one night trip to Tampa (6a flight down, 8p flight back the next day) and then book an NJ or NYC escort for incall upon return. It’s nearly as economical as a 2 night trip to Montreal even factoring in the escort.
The gravitation to an incall format by agencies just doesn’t excite me. And while Vogue and others offer really great girls for outcall, the risk of being shut out on a particular night or dealing with slim pickings makes me re-think travel plans.
Like I said it’s all cyclical. One of these months a great outcall agency will come along and knock our socks off. A few seem to be getting down the formula now. Montreal will be back to its glory days, and I’ll be there for it.
Good point Mistral, that is something i never would have considered before traveling elsewhere to hobby, various gentleman throughout the years have told tales of other places but there was never a reason before to do that for me personally, just going to montreal as far as quality and value were good enough, but now with prices of airbnb and hotels going through the roof, even in off months such as jan/feb when i used to score great deals, coupled with the obvious increase with the activities itself, i have been researching, its looking more and more like a place like thailand even with the flights are a better value, may be my new destination, have u ever been there?
i've been active on the montreal scene for a good 25 years and to me there has never been such an overwhelming selection of amazing ladies in this city.
Took the words out of my mouth.
Also, I think most people are aware enough that girls without reviews are sketchy these days, and girls with reviews, well, what's the use of echoing what's already been said?
Andthe "TOFTT"ers are few and far between. I have a few on my radar, but need to find the time and ressources so to speak lol.
Just a sad state of affairs for Montreal hobbyland these days. It used to be such a spinner paradise. The golden age of Chloé and Zoë and spinners left and right. Where you could get to your Plan C, and still leave with a goofy smile and an amazing time. Hell, even 5 years ago, when Sienna @ Euphoria first debuted, it was great. Now? Spinners are rare. Poor diet and an exodus of pretty faces to other channels have seemingly ravaged the supply here that used to be the norm. And rates that go up constantly! When I started, it was 140. To think, the quality of Eleganza for only 140! What a bargain. Then, it seemingly held at 180 and 200 for a while. The age of Goodgirls and Martin at xxxtase. Once it got to 220 a few years ago, it’s been a straight line up. Which is fine if the quality goes up, too, or even stays level. But, no. Inflation, even in hobbyland. It sucks. I recently came for a week, and only sessioned 3 times. That would’ve been unimaginable in the past. I’d have gotten in at least 6-8 sessions for so many days. 15-20 in my peak. But I had no regrets, because I was glad to not waste my cash. So many better options in the world these days rather than Montreal. 2-3 trips a year now to Montreal, and I’m not missing it. I’d rather enjoy the great restaurants. But even those, the prices have skyrocketed to the point where Europe seems a bargain.
PS: Thanks to the Mod for thoughtfully moving this section from another post to this thread in the Lounge, where it fits better. Appreciated.
PS: Thanks to the Mod for thoughtfully moving this section from another post to this thread in the Lounge, where it fits better. Appreciated.
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@wolfie7 , you nailed it on the head! Thanks for posting this, I’ve been wanting to comment on this situation as well!!
I haven’t hobbied as long as you. But I’m a local, and up until 4-5 years ago, there were still many choices for agency SPs, good-looking ladies and offering great services. I’d practically hobby every week and I’d have a long TDL.
Nowadays, I don’t know where to start to complain. I’ll start with some agencies. As you mentioned elsewhere, 15-20 minute delays seem to be the norm. WTF! Why are we accepting this?!? Part of the problem is that some agencies don’t give the ladies a 15 min break between clients. So they’re expected to shower, clean up, get ready, etc between clients, but this cuts into the client’s time (and causes delays).
I heard some newer SPs are expected to see many clients (7-8) per day, with barely any breaks. So guess what happens to the quality of service?
If these SPs become popular and are good at what they do, they’ll have some regular clients and probably go Indy. If not, they might get fed up and quit. IMO, that’s the reason for the constant change of SPs on the roster (some leaving/quitting, new ones joining, etc). Some new SPs quit shortly after, when they realize it’s not for them.
So on a typical day with 6-7 SPs working, a couple of them might offer top service. And the rest are probably average. So guess what? The popular ones always fully booked, or so they say (maybe they’re fully booked even before they’re listed, or they cancelled their day, but still listed. Who knows? Lol). So they’ll propose another, less popular SP.
I’ve cut down hobbying quite a bit lately. Thankfully I have an ATF that I have good chemistry with that I see, and sometimes a couple of other regulars. So I’ll keep going that way, and possibly seeing some Indies going forward. Although the Indy rates are higher, it feels less rushed and more personal. With agencies, I sometimes feel like I’m just one of many on the assembly line. lol.
I guess there is enough demand and many clients are content with putting up with some of this crap, so SOME agencies couldn’t care less.
Anyway, it is what it is. It’s up to us to change it up if we’re not satisfied!
Agency girls in 2023=
GFE!
No dfk/probably no lfk
Cbj/ no bj
No daty
$300 an hour!
white knights in 2023=
shes worth every penny
GFE!
No dfk/probably no lfk
Cbj/ no bj
No daty
$300 an hour!
white knights in 2023=
shes worth every penny
I do not see a lack of talent at all, in fact there are as many sex workers as before. They simply migrated to other areas. I see more and more Indys then ever before, many turned to OnlyFans, and do not forget the large availability of girls at MPs.
However Bill C-36 changed the game forever. On Merb we cannot discuss details of MPs or stripclub encounters anymore. It tipped the scales bigtime in the girls favor. Most girls know about bill C-36 and use it to their advantage hence the big rise of scams on Leolist types of sites. They know the client has no recourse. It also makes it more risky to operate an agency. Escort agencies kept prices lower as they have the resources to be able to offer services at a lower rate and they did not have to screen as agencies have backup. More girls moving to Indy means higher prices and more screening. In ten years I see the escort scene in Canada be very similar to the USA, very high prices and intense screening.
On a final note, rapid population increase via excessive immigration adds oil to a fire. It is increasing demand rapidly and we see it. Agencies fully booked fast, less interest in customer service or providing an excellent service because there are 100 other johns available. With Bill C-36 that made scamming common on Leolist types of sites, it further reduced the supply of good GFE honest escorts. So as you can see reduced supply plus higher demand turns it into a sellers market.
And lastly but not the least, is OnlyFans. This has hijacked the sex business. Many girls are wanting to get paid just to be watched. Almost any young girl can open OnlyFans, it is very common with American girls. I see many Instagram accounts of beautiful American girls and so many got an OnlyFans link attached to their profile. Social media made girls very entitled. Not all are like this but the amount of these types are increasing. I do not see it improving, it will get more worse.
However Bill C-36 changed the game forever. On Merb we cannot discuss details of MPs or stripclub encounters anymore. It tipped the scales bigtime in the girls favor. Most girls know about bill C-36 and use it to their advantage hence the big rise of scams on Leolist types of sites. They know the client has no recourse. It also makes it more risky to operate an agency. Escort agencies kept prices lower as they have the resources to be able to offer services at a lower rate and they did not have to screen as agencies have backup. More girls moving to Indy means higher prices and more screening. In ten years I see the escort scene in Canada be very similar to the USA, very high prices and intense screening.
On a final note, rapid population increase via excessive immigration adds oil to a fire. It is increasing demand rapidly and we see it. Agencies fully booked fast, less interest in customer service or providing an excellent service because there are 100 other johns available. With Bill C-36 that made scamming common on Leolist types of sites, it further reduced the supply of good GFE honest escorts. So as you can see reduced supply plus higher demand turns it into a sellers market.
And lastly but not the least, is OnlyFans. This has hijacked the sex business. Many girls are wanting to get paid just to be watched. Almost any young girl can open OnlyFans, it is very common with American girls. I see many Instagram accounts of beautiful American girls and so many got an OnlyFans link attached to their profile. Social media made girls very entitled. Not all are like this but the amount of these types are increasing. I do not see it improving, it will get more worse.
Id always go to derby lane it was a great time until they got rid of the dogs, now theres no reason to go to tampa/st pete, nor anywhere else in Florida really
It is funny to me how white knights have metastasized across MERB, defending all these innocent pure helpless SPs against evil, hateful reviewers like me. Heh…
The response is almost instantaneous, too, like they’re just on the prowl for audacious reviewers posting ugly truths… Is that crowd now the majority of MERB? Or still a vocal loud minority? Who knows… There seems to be more. Which is cute… Perhaps a byproduct of COVID producing more touchy feely needy babies looking for love and hugs and sweet nothings from wherever they can find them? Smh…
Someone brought up the word ‘hate’ in a since-deleted reply, which is ironic… There is no emotion from my end. Just cold hard facts when it comes to physical stats, and my subjective opinion on ‘looks.’ That IS how a review works, right? Yet, the white knights will look for every excuse imaginable to pardon the SP. And yes, the rates and the booking mechanics are mostly not within the SP’s control - but from a customer perspective, that shouldn’t matter, right? As I’ve understood it, review boards are for hoybbists, ie the paying customers. So the entire session experience is one big bundle. The session is a transaction. Were services rendered satisfactory? Was the product and specifications as advertised? No emotions.
The only emotional people here are the white knights. Soft-hearted libs among them probably would want everyone to pay a tax to help all the 10’s in their generous hearts.
When they talk about truthful reviews hurting the SPs - the white knights and the agencies are the ones hurting the SPs. The former with their inflated reviews, and the latter with misleading stats and airbrushed photos. Expectations are completely fucked up. I miss the old Montreal Sex City photos that were more raw and barely had any digital wizardry performed on them. Let’s go back to that! If an SP doesn’t want the hurt of rejection, make sure your stats reflect your physique accurately. Simple.
I have had good luck with XXXclusive lately, mostly outcall as they only have one apartment for incalls
You forgot to mention “simping” so hot right now everywhere.
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