Lack of talent?

[Sylar]

And you decided to respond with this to the wrong person

I have been to all of those places for the past several years. None of those are even close to Montreal.

I have been hobbying in Eastern Europe. Name actual places that are good?

Let's talk about Privats in Hungary? Most have shut down since 2020. Have you been recently? rosszlanyok? Have you dealt with rosszlanyok lately? Half of them are no-shows and the other half take 500 exchanges to set anything up. You're saying that's better than Montreal? When you find actual good ones, they're great, but you can get that in Montreal in 1 single phone call, without needing Google translate

German FKKs? German FKKs have been crap since 2018. 100 euros and upcharges for every basic thing. And again, wrong person to challenge on this, I worked in Frankfurt every 2 months for years. FKK Sharks and FKK Oasis were the top two rated FKKs for years. I have been to both every time I work in Frankfurt. It's all Romanian upchargers. 150, 300 euros even. You have to fight to get anything for 100 euros. When was the last time you were there? FKKs don't even come close to Montreal.

Spain? Where? Again, I work in Europe frequently. I am in Barcelona all the time. the sexomercado board is where I go. It's the same 4 agencies, and they never have talent. The top agency there are lasuite, vincinitas (spelling?), and teens. It's been the same roster for the past year.

As for the South America, don't be vague, name the places. I've done Mexico, Colombia, and Argentina. None come close to Montreal. If anyone has suggestions, I would love to hear!

If I were to name a place that actually offers great service, diversity, and probably even better than Montreal, is London. But London agencies charge 4x as much as Montreal. So Montreal still wins out.

I have to agree with @wolfie7 on almost everything he has said. You might have travelled a lot, but you seem to be acting like a tourist in all those destinations. And while there is nothing wrong with that, benchmarking these cities to Montreal where you have significant more intel and experience is not an apple to apple comparison.

 

[Sylar]

To me, athletic is very different than thin and slender. Maybe you can't find short and skinny women when you search for athletic, indeed.

I agree with you. I define athletic very differently than thin and slender but am having trouble finding both. I will admit that my definition of athletic means muscular/ very toned with little bodyfat. Slender / Spinner is the kind of body that @LC18 has. Short is not a criteria for me, unless I want to try to unique positions.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

athletic means muscular/ very toned with little bodyfat.

Yeah... if only there was someone like this on this forum advertising here!

 

[Sylar]

Yeah... if only there was someone like this on this forum advertising here!

I have not seen an ad like that - Can you point me in the right direction? (Of course there is a chance I've seen it but ruled it out as it did not fit what I was looking for.)

 

[Giselle Montreal]

I have not seen an ad like that - Can you point me in the right direction? (Of course there is a chance I've seen it but ruled it out as it did not fit what I was looking for.)

Unless you are talking about a competition body at 12% bf, which of course you won't find at any time, all year long. But athletic, slender yet muscular with low body fat exists...

Edit: I guess that's why clients love selfies - they show what professional photos can't, as the latter are taken on a single day in the year and don't represent the other 364 days. I'm taking notes.

 

[LC18]

There was one but she retired a few months ago

 

[AirBo]

"Lack of talent" is quite a euphemism All the talk revolves around physical appearance.

 

[Fradi]

"Lack of talent" is quite a euphemism All the talk revolves around physical appearance.

I don’t think there is a lack of talent in Montreal or that you can’t find a gorgeous young lady to fulfill your needs.
i will say that prices have increased dramatically in the last year. Montreal is still one of the best places in the world.
As for other places around the world there are many things to consider. How familiar you are with that country with the escorting scene do you speak the language.
For instance hobbying In Hungary/Budapest is very different for someone who speaks the language I would think the same in Barcelona.

 

[Halloween Mike]

You don’t even hobby enough to know what the rates are these days, so why comment? If you want to voluntarily light up your cash, have at it! I’ll be chuckling on the sidelines. Incredible you’re actually quoting even higher rates than they are! Ridiculous!! But you don’t even hobby in Montreal at any kind of volume, so the whole point is moot. White knights who defend paying higher rates, wanting to pay higher rates!!… SMH. Just as bad as the NewYorkers who go everywhere and exclaim “OMG, this is so cheap, I’d happily pay so much more!” And in turn crank up inflation for everyone else.

The point is Montreal used to be a bargain.

That bargain gap however has closed,

He said 280-300 but most are actually 260 so yes he was a bit highter but only by a 20 or 2. Well the price i see the most seem to be 260 but i do see 270 and 280 for some ladies on the most popular agencies website.

Honestly i don't think the inflation in agencies been that insane... I would say its overall fair. And thats not white knighting at all. I can only look back to 2009 for personal experience but lets say then the usual price was 180. There was some 160, some 200, but most were 180. I paid once or twice 140 but this was major deal. So ill put it at 180. Thats 15 years ago. Lets say now the equivalent is 260. Thats 80$ more. In 15 years i think its not that far strech. I think where there is "reflexion" (for lack of a better term) is the Indy vs Agency comparison. The gap used to be about 100$ between them. Depending on the lady. Now its minimally 160 and not so rarely is 240 (almost double the price of agency if an indy is at 500/h). And thats nowhere near the end of it. 600 is not just a "that rare thing". Of course with indies it may be a flat fee all inclusive while agencies may charge extras. So its not black and white but you get the general picture.

So wich side is "right"? Lol. Thats debatable.

Personally i can say that when i was younger i was shocked to learn that for under 200$ i could litterally have sex with a "model-like" women. Yes at the time 200$ was still over half than a regular pay for minimal wage for a week, but the simple concept of something that was seen from me as unnaccessible was now accessible and not for a crazy sum ill never have like other things. In comparison a powerfull computer was way over 1000$ wich required a lot more savings. Im only comparing it this way in term of the "luxury aspect" or if you prefer that both these things were not required to live unless you work in computer stuff. I mean mine at the time i paid 300$ and it was very decent for what i used it for. Well when i started i was a strip club guy and i would often pay 50-60$ + beers + entrance for just boobs and butt touching. So being able to only double that and have the whole complete thing ... that seem like a bargain.

Now sure these days i am more "seasoned" and im more "used to the prices" and i don't roll on money at all, in majority by my fault and being a dumbass in my younger years, but i can still manage to have some fun in the hobby ocasionally. Do i wish i could still pay 160$ for 1h with the same beautiful model-like i used to 15 years ago? Of course lol, but that would not be realistic and i think the reality at 260 is rather very fair.

Anyway sorry for that long text of pseudo-analysis. Its just my point of view of course. And evidently a lot of factors are at play in this hobby. Mainly your incomes vs your payments/what you can spare, wich is different from anyone. So it vary for everyone.

 

[LookAlike]

I have not seen an ad like that - Can you point me in the right direction? (Of course there is a chance I've seen it but ruled it out as it did not fit what I was looking for.)

May i suggest GymBunny Leah who dvertise on LL. I can confirm nothing is fake in her ad and her pictures.

 

[LC18]

May i suggest GymBunny Leah who dvertise on LL. I can confirm nothing is fake in her ad and her pictures.

Impressive body!

 

[Sylar]

I have very similar preferences for girls. The Euphoria roster has several girls that are this type. Also more than reasonable rates. The only reason I don't go there is because their schedule is very unreliable and I can't book 2 days in advance. Maybe a good thing, because otherwise I would probably be there at least once a week.

Hardly a lack of talent, just too complicated for me to make an appointment.

You are right. They have several ladies like that on the roster and I have been trying to book Zoey for months for example.

 

[wolfie7]

MERB never fails eliciting chuckles… When the emasculated defend, rationalize and white-knight higher rates, and said SPs charging $400+ per hour, and not in the desired demo and physical profile, try to tell everyone: “Your memories aren’t real! There really weren’t hot girls at great rates before! You’re just hallucinating… And oh, slim girls like Livvy Dunne don’t exist as escorts now!… Anyways, your definition of “slim” and “athletic” are wrong! Let me tell you what athletic is, which BTW I am!”

I mean, as far as eras go, gotta love this era of fake news, yeah?!!

I think I saw the golden age of Montreal Indy’s almost a decade ago, when Isabella and Zoë were plying their trades. Slight premium over agencies. Always available. Whip smart. Pretty. Service and skills you can only dream of now.

And some of us log copious notes. Even if we no longer share them publicly. And the crazy-mad skills those 2 ladies exercised… So yes, my memory works just fine. And yes, we use memories as reference. That’s how most of humanity works. You want to abolish history as a subject matter?? Goddamn, I miss those days!

As far as “talent” - yes, we’ve all been using the term loosely here. There’s no hard definition of exactly what it is. For me, it’s a catch-all term that encompasses price-quality ratio, actual scores of face, body and service / attitude / skills, availability and ease of booking, and a steady flow of new girls. So, yes, it’s many things. All of them important for me in perceiving “talent.”

But my ideal Quebecoise escort of ancient history - my shooting stars - young (<25), pretty, slim (5’4” 110), toned, a closet nympho who actually enjoyed sex, doing this as a side hustle for a few years while in school (which made them “fresh” in the sense that they weren’t jaded cynical career escorts like in most other cities in the world) - those are unicorns now. Still exist, just so much rarer in Montreal. Oh well.

 

[Jaxan]

It's an interesting topic, and one that garners varying opinions, especially because every1's definition of "talent" is slightly different, based on experience, perspective, etc. So far, I am enjoying just reading every1's thoughts and point of views, and I agree with most of them, and don't have much to add.

What I found ironic particularly today was the fact that Euphoria and Vogue just have listed 19 and 15 ladies available today, respectively. Not including the various other agencies and available indies. That is just a staggering amount, and is somewhat normal volume these days. It's pretty crazy, if you think about it.

We can argue about pricing, and whether that belongs in the discussion of talent, and the availability of new debutantes or specific age, height, weight, demographics, etc. But I don't recall a time, when we have had this much sheer volume of ladies working on a day to day basis. Just food for thought.

 

[arthur_vandelay]

But I don't recall a time, when we have had this much sheer volume of ladies working on a day to day basis. Just food for thought.

Yeah, but how many of these girls could have even gotten hired by James or Sam 10 years ago?

I've accepted that girls who would have been on the "A Team" ( aka top 20%) 10 years ago are not really entering the industry at the present for a variety of reasons that have been discussed. To be honest, it might be more like the top 50%.

What I find a little harder to understand is how demand from the Montreal locals appears to be higher than ever, given the big decrease in "talent" and uninspiring customer experience at the incall apartments.

 

[Jaxan]

What I find a little harder to understand is how demand from the Montreal locals appears to be higher than ever, given the big decrease in "talent" and uninspiring customer experience at the incall apartments.

Maybe cuz there is never a shortage of horny men...

 

[CLOUD 500]

What I find a little harder to understand is how demand from the Montreal locals appears to be higher than ever, given the big decrease in "talent" and uninspiring customer experience at the incall apartments.

Many on this board ignore the fact that Canada has seen the most rapid population growth ever. Trudeau brought in 2.2 million people just in 2022, the actual numbers are probably higher.. I never seen so many ppl in Montreal, the metros are always crowded. Greater Montreal population is now at 5 million. Canada went from 40 million to 41 million in 9 months. So what I am saying is agencies are booked solid because demand went way up due to rapid population increase plus the selection of honest GFE escorts went down due to bill c-36. Only on Merb will you find good GFE honest escorts. Same principal at the grocery stores, despite high prices things are selling so fast. It is a sellers market now.

 

[MCTJ]

But I don't recall a time, when we have had this much sheer volume of ladies working on a day to day basis. Just food for thought

Pre covid. If you do a little time traveling using the search function on this board, you will see that Euphoria regularly had 20+ girls on schedule (Vog too, I think).

 

[wolfie7]

But I don't recall a time, when we have had this much sheer volume of ladies working on a day to day basis. Just food for thought.

I was thinking the same when I was scanning ads earlier…

But you DO have to take into account scoring - how many of those girls are 25+ and 130 lbs+? I just filter and look right past those. Only speaking for myself - but those criteria + white (not including Latinas which I would never do in Montreal) - those big numbers get whittled down real quick.

 

[wolfie7]

Many on this board ignore the fact that Canada has seen the most rapid population growth ever. Trudeau brought in 2.2 million people just in 2022, the actual numbers are probably higher.. I never seen so many ppl in Montreal, the metros are always crowded. Greater Montreal population is now at 5 million. Canada went from 40 million to 41 million in 9 months. So what I am saying is agencies are booked solid because demand went way up due to rapid population increase plus the selection of honest GFE escorts went down due to bill c-36. Only on Merb will you find good GFE honest escorts. Same principal at the grocery stores, despite high prices things are selling so fast. It is a sellers market now.

Trudeau SMH. May be worse than Biden! Sucks for you guys.

But then is the government giving “refugees” and “migrants” monthly stipends for mongering? I would’ve thought the new population wouldn’t have sufficient funds… Or maybe there’s an equally large amount of refugee wealthy Russians and Chinese?