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I think I have found a unicorn in my Latina single mom that I met on SA and with whom I had my second private encounter this week. We spent 3 hours together--a one-hour lunch at a restaurant and then 2 hours of conversation and intimate time at my place. As we agreed in our initial get-to-know-you meeting I paid her the equivalent of what a good professional escort would charge for just one hour of time.

So I'm a believer in SA. But it's a different experience from hiring an escort and you have to accept the negative aspects of seeking companionship on SA in order to benefit from the positive aspects. First it takes time and careful research to find the right woman. It's not like hiring an escort in Montreal where you can check a few agency sites to see who's available, check out some reviews and make an appointment for later the same day or even right away. From start to finish the process can take only minutes or at most hours.

Meeting the right woman on SA can take weeks or even months and you need to invest time, effort and money. First there is the cost of an SA membership, which is $80 if you buy a membership one month at a time. You need to put together a good profile and be willing to share some information about yourself including photos (though those can be kept private until you reveal them to only those women you want).

Then you have to spend time reviewing profiles, photos and messages and writing messages of your own. If you click with a woman online, then you need to be willing to meet her in person for a get-to-know you session at a neutral location like a Starbucks or a Panera. The process is more like meeting women on a dating site than it is like choosing a professional escort from a website. Also, there are no reviews on the web of the women you'll meet on SA. You will have to use your own judgment in evaluating them online and in person.

Not all the women on SA are sincere and serious (duh!) about meeting guys. You need to develop a set of criteria that you are looking for, target those women who fit your criteria and ignore everyone else. For me, I found that the single moms in the age range of 25-45 and who lived within 30 miles of me seemed to be the best candidates. I seem to be a good fit for them too, because I'm single, live alone in a private, discreet location and I can work around their schedules. In general, because of their kids, single moms do not want to host an encounter where they live and they prefer to meet during the day on weekdays.

When you meet a woman for the first time, you need to be prepared to reveal personal information about yourself such as your real name and contact info and where you work and what you do. The women on SA have no access to the kind of security arrangements that pro escorts use and so you need to win their trust by being open and honest. At the same time, you can't expect them to reveal exactly the same info about themselves. They will volunteer some information about themselves but you shouldn't ask them too many personal questions.

Discussing a business deal is delicate. Other than the "lifestyle" expectations that are listed in the profiles (that range from "negotiable" to thousands of $ per month) there are no set rates listed for each woman. Of course, most of the women are hoping for a monthly "allowance," but my experience is that plenty of women are perfectly willing to work on a transactional basis. Many need money and they can't afford to hold out forever for a longtime contract deal. It's best not to bring up money early in the discussion. You should focus on winning the woman's trust and trying to make her like you enough that she would be willing to spend time with you. It's somewhat unusual for an escort to reject a client, but an SA woman is more likely to reject you if she doesn't like something about you. You need to win her over at the first meeting.

If you do click and you come to a tentative agreement about financial terms, then you need to let the woman think things over for a few days. Don't try to make an appointment right away. Stay in touch on the SA site or by text (if she is willing to exchange numbers) and then be patient. If she likes you, she will be in touch with you.

If I were to characterize the women that I have met on SA, I guess I would call them "amateur escorts." I don't mean the word "amateur" in a bad way. As I suggested in quoting Napoleon below, an amateur can be better than a professional.

So is SA worth it? For me, I would have to say yes, it has been worth it and a fun experience. But given the pros and cons of meeting women on SA, it's not for everyone and it's not necessarily a substitute for meeting professional escorts. As always, YMMV.
 

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Great post Capt. Can you give us any $$$ figures for how much the dates are costing?

If anyone wants to know my experience in Toronto, SA seems to be full of women who only want to be arm candy. The most recent woman I met wanted $200 from me to take her to see a movie.
 

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Great post Capt. Can you give us any $$$ figures for how much the dates are costing? ...The most recent woman I met wanted $200 from me to take her to see a movie.

As for cost, as I said: I paid her the equivalent of what a good professional escort would charge for just one hour of time. I'll just leave it at that.

The $ figure depends on where you live--it would be higher in NY and lower in St. Louis. In the case of all three women I've met, the agreed rate was about the same (within $50 of each other) and the amount of time spent together ranged from 2-3 hours. We never discussed an hourly rate of pay. We just discussed a rate per encounter and I made it clear that I expected an encounter to last a couple hours or so but that part of the time would be food, drink and conversation.

There's also a mutual understanding that if the initial encounter goes well, then there may be repeat business on a regular basis, perhaps weekly or monthly or just occasionally. Women on SA would prefer to meet just one (or maybe 2 or 3) guys on a regular basis rather than having to constantly find new sugar daddies.

You should rule out women who want $ for an initial meeting or $ for a purely social date--especially one who asks for $200 to go to a movie! :crazy:

But be prepared for women who have wildly unrealistic financial demands. Finding the right woman in the right demographic group takes time, effort and some $. But the process can be fun and ultimately rewarding. Also if you have the means, it's definitely possible to have more than one sugar baby that you meet on a regular basis. And you don't have to give up seeing professional escorts. I view amateur escorts as an alternative to and not a replacement for the professional ones.
 

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An excellent capsule of the process, Louis. I can't stress enough the importance of a strong profile that gives a good sense of who you are. Not only will that help gain trust, but she may find you before you find her.

My girl found me and was convinced even before we'd communicated that I was the guy for her. It's been a year and a half now and we made the move from "transactional" to monthly allowance back in September. We spend more time than ever together, though the sex part, which is better than ever, is twice a week, more when traveling. I can comfortably say that this is the best relationship I've ever had with a woman. She's been on the west coast visiting family for the last week and still checks in every day.

I'm glad to hear things are going as well for you as they are.
 

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And they say money can't buy you love. Well it can come pretty darn close and that's probably good enough for most of us. This sounds intriguing Rumples and Captn R. Glad to hear that all is well with you and you are still having a great time!
 

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Thanks for the kind words, Hungry. I read an article a few months back that suggested there are four ways in which money can buy happiness. In no particular order, 1) pets, 2) travel, 3) experience, 4) spend the money on others. While it can be said that I'm paying my GF for sex, the truth of the matter is that I would never spend this much money on sex. It can be had much cheaper. My business has been far kinder to me than I'd ever imagined so to me I'm really sharing my good fortune and paying it forward. And, thanks to socialism and my advanced years, I get a handsome check from my Uncle Sam about the 26th of every month, without having to worry about how I might have to pay for any health problems that might crop up.

Ezra Pound once wrote that the best gift you can give an artist is the gift of time. My sweetie now finds herself with more than enough time to create.
 

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I read an article a few months back that suggested there are four ways in which money can buy happiness. In no particular order, 1) pets, 2) travel, 3) experience, 4) spend the money on others.

Pets?? Pets as in dog, cat?? Really? I always tough pets was the most affordable thing to bring happiness for the poor!

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Pets?? Pets as in dog, cat?? Really? I always tough pets was the most affordable thing to bring happiness for the poor!
Sounds like you're channeling the thoughts of the head of the Trump crime family. He apparently was horrified to learn that his Vice President has a number of pets, deeming them to be low class.

BTW, I don't know if you're an incall or outcall guy, but you should know that every girl who enters my flat, every single one, makes a fuss over my two cats.
 

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every single one, makes a fuss over my two cats.

Maybe they are allergic. LOL. I am terribly allergic and that is one reason i'm a dog guy. Otherwise I would be a cat and dog guy. But these guys can cost as much as escorts too.

Thanks for making a point I was trying to make in another thread. Everyone has a budget but for most of us MERB girls are a bargain compared to wives and girl friends.
It is good that you are able to share your wealth with someone special and the end result is something that is mutually beneficial. People get hung up on ideals that preclude them from enjoying something like this. I think the answer lay in a recent book I just read this year entitled "Sapiens - A Brief History Through Human Kind by Harari. Good luck.
 

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Great post Capt. Can you give us any $$$ figures for how much the dates are costing?

If anyone wants to know my experience in Toronto, SA seems to be full of women who only want to be arm candy. The most recent woman I met wanted $200 from me to take her to see a movie.

Just to throw in my 2 cents about the price:

I get a very good idea of whether or not the lady is seriously interested in having a relationship or if she simply wants to grab the money fast with minimal effort from what she asks and is ready to commit herself.

When a girl simply wants a "nothing sexual", a "platonic relationship", "virtual relationship", "financial domination", "substantial lifestyle expectations" or anything like this, it's a clear sign that she does not give a shit about you at all! She sees you as an ATM. Forget about any interest from her part toward you as a human being. To these girls, being with you is a necessary evil they must cope with, they put a nose-clip on and hope the moment with you will go as fast as possible. Run away fast from those girls. Editorial comment: I don't know how these woman get the idea that their sole company is worth thousands of dollars, literally! Usually, their company is actually quite boring!

You have those who are looking for a wealthy boyfriend. That's another story. They are usually very reasonable in there expectations, but to them love is part of the deal, or could be. So if you're looking for a no-strings attached relationship, you can get into trouble because to them the relationship is real. You will get usually the ultimate GFE with these woman. But you also get the downside of real relatinships: expectations, exclusivity, etc....

Finally, you have the gems. Those who are in it for the financial support, let's face it, but who are also ready to commit somewhere in between friendship and love. These are the true SB, those who will enjoy their time spent with you and who will also appreciate your support. They exist, but as CaptRenault is describing, you must put in some effort to find them. Their financial expectations vary, but in my experience of meeting several, they are usually reasonable, meaning not completely out of line with what you would spend hobbying. They usually have a relatively fair appreciation of the value of what they are proposing to you. This is actually a good sign when you see them negociating in good faith instead of asking you over $10,000/month (no kidding, some girls ask for this without even blinking!).

Some girls like the monthly allowance, my girl likes gifts. She prefers that I spoil her, which is fine by me! I actually enjoy seeking her surprise when I treat her or offer her somethings she dreams of, and seeking also that she appreciates it genuinely instead of taking it for granted. The formula is really up to both of you.

Final comments: after chatting a lot with my gal, I realized how many very lonely man are ready to lay thousands of dollars just to be in the company of a pretty girl. This is really sad.... From what she tells me, sometimes these men don't help themselves either: dirty or smelly, or very socially akward. But still, what she sees is that there are some girls looking for these men just to make a grab. Life is sad sometimes.....

I believe in this the idea is to find something win/win, where she is happy and so are you. Good luck!
 

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Sounds like you're channeling the thoughts of the head of the Trump crime family. He apparently was horrified to learn that his Vice President has a number of pets, deeming them to be low class.

BTW, I don't know if you're an incall or outcall guy, but you should know that every girl who enters my flat, every single one, makes a fuss over my two cats.

Interesting indeed. Coming from Trump is absolutely not surprising since he also thinks all Haitian have aids. Every day I am amazed by his level of stupidity!

Dont get me wrong I love pets! Was just surprise to see them associated to rich people and I would love your cats!

Cheers,
 

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I wonder when the feds and feminists will target Seekingarrangement with bogus claims of sex trafficking and try to shut it down?

Many websites that facilitated business deals between men and women have already been shut down or intimidated into closing so it may be only a matter of time. There is no limit to the bloodlust of fanatics.
 

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I wonder when the feds and feminists will target Seekingarrangement with bogus claims of sex trafficking and try to shut it down?
Don't know about the feds, but every single one of the sex workers among my friends considers herself a feminists. I doubt they'll be looking to shut down SA any time soon. (That would, of course, include the woman whom I've helped support for the last two years and met through SA.)
 

CaptRenault

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Don't know about the feds, but every single one of the sex workers among my friends considers herself a feminists...

Most of the men whose lives and careers were ruined by the feminist-led #MeToo movement also considered themselves to be feminists.

Similarly, many of the victims of the French Revolution considered themselves to be revolutionaries and many of the victims of Stalin and Mao were communists.
 

rumpleforeskiin

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Most of the men whose lives and careers were ruined by the feminist-led #MeToo movement also considered themselves to be feminists.
And I've yet to see one of them who has not accepted that he crossed a line that should not have been crossed, including one personal hero, Al Franken.

Other than Franken, which of these men considers himself a feminist? Can you document that claim, please? Harvey Weinstein? lol

Here's a long list for you to work with. Other than Franken and most likely Keillor, I'd like to see any kind of evidence linking any beyond a small minority to claims of feminism.

https://www.glamour.com/gallery/pos...rful-men-facing-sexual-harassment-allegations
 

CaptRenault

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...Other than Franken, which of these men considers himself a feminist? Can you document that claim, please? Harvey Weinstein? lol

Here is a January 2018 list of the accused, a kind-of #MeToo movement victim list. Most of the men have backgrounds in entertainment, the media and professions such as law and academia. In present day America, one cannot be successful in those lines of work without embracing feminist values or at least paying lip service to them. Yes, there are some people from the right on the list, like Bill O'Reilly. But it's truly striking how many have backgrounds that strongly suggest they would support feminist beliefs. Well, at least they used to. :rolleyes:

http://time.com/5015204/harvey-weinstein-scandal/
 

rumpleforeskiin

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In present day America, one cannot be successful in those lines of work without embracing feminist values or at least paying lip service to them.
Oh, please. That's among the most silly things I've ever read. That's really the best you can do? Yeah, raving lefties like Clint Eastwood and Charlton Heston.

Yes, I know that Harvey Weinstein gave a lot of money to the Democratic Party. However, being a Democrat does not automatically make one a feminist, anymore than being a Republican automatically makes one a gun nut or a white nationalist or that being a Libertarian automatically means you smoke a lot of dope.
 

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Rumple in the healthy evolution of a society there is always some hiccups. And always some grumpy old dudes who refuse evolution as everything was better in the old days. Women in the kitchen at the service of their men....

Luckily things are changing and women are now close to geting pretty much same treatment as men in the workplace. Which is good.

And when we compare we need to be happy because in some country 2018 is the year where women finally got the rights to drive a car!

Cheers,
 

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...being a Democrat does not automatically make one a feminist...

Yes it does.

...being a Libertarian [does not] automatically [mean]... you smoke a lot of dope.

True, it just means that you support the right of other people to smoke a lot of dope. :D

Anyway, to return to my main point from a few posts ago, never discuss dollars (esp. ppm $) in a private message on SA. Rumples, you would agree with that, n'est-ce pas?
 

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Yes it does.
Sorry, that's just horseshit. Bob Casey a feminist? Hahaha. Joe Manchin? lol Bill Clinton? teehee

Oh, and by the way, if you think "feminists" have so much as one iota of influence in Washington, and had so much as one iota of influence in instituting these Republican-authored laws, I have a couple of letters of transport, which cannot be refused, nor even questioned, signed by none other than General Degaulle for sale. Just make me an offer.

As for SA and discussing $$ there, dunno. I haven't looked at it in almost two years, but the last time I did, the girls did clearly state the dollar level at which they'd like to be rewarded. Has that changed? The boys, of course, just post their income. Certainly, at this point, were I to have the need to go there again, I'd keep that conversation off site.
 
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