WTF? Are you that stubborn Capt?
Life is a wonderful mix of black, white and grey
If you see only white or black, you are doomed for a miserable life but worst, you make others life miserable too. Just my 2 cents.Cheers,
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WTF? Are you that stubborn Capt?
Life is a wonderful mix of black, white and grey
If you see only white or black, you are doomed for a miserable life but worst, you make others life miserable too. Just my 2 cents.Cheers,
Well said, Jalimon. Things are never black and white (well almost never). Although some Democrats and yes, even Republicans are feminists, not all Democrats are feminists. That’s like saying that all Republicans are gun owners. It’s silly. Although I do admit that most Hollywood tough guys are Republicans (Bruce Willis, Clint Eastwood, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Dwayne Johnson, Chuck Norris, Jean Claude Van Damme Gene Simmons, Robert Duvall, and saving the best for last, the late John Wayne), there are some like Tommy Lee Jones who are Democrats. I cannot ever visualize Tommy Lee Jones as a feminist ... haha. He’d probably annihilate anyone who called him a feminist... haha ...On the other hand I can visualize a Republican like Kelsey Grammer as a feminist.
BTW, I generally don’t post on any topic politically related. I’m not one who typically gets involved in politics even though I do tend to lean towards the right. I am generally a stress free guy, however if I were to immerse myself in politics, that would no doubt change. Not to mention that I have numerous friends and acquaintances from all political stripes. Being politically active for me would no doubt cause intense discussions/disagreements and/or rifts resulting in unneeded stress.
BTW, I generally don’t post on any topic politically related. I’m not one who typically gets involved in politics even though I do tend to lean towards the right. I am generally a stress free guy, however if I were to immerse myself in politics, that would no doubt change. Not to mention that I have numerous friends and acquaintances from all political stripes. Being politically active for me would no doubt cause intense discussions/disagreements and/or rifts resulting in unneeded stress.
Really? Let's hear what Tommy said about himself a few years ago.
The truth is that he just has a hard time accepting the label "feminist," but he knows that it is in his self-interest to proclaim himself a feminist. EG, sorry to shatter your illusions.
I do think that he's a great actor and I don't really care that much about his political beliefs. I judge artists based on their artistic abilities and not their politics.
BTW, just for the record, I'm not a feminist...or a Democrat or a Liberal or a Conservative or a Republican.
I'm a feminist, says Tommy Lee Jones at Homesman premiere
telegraph.uk.co
12 Nov. 2014
The actor and director says he is a 'humanist and feminist' as he unveils his new film Homesman, starring Hilary Swank
Tommy Lee Jones has said the "dilemmas" faced by his grandmother and his daughter have not changed over the last century.
Declaring himself a humanist and a feminist at the premiere of his latest film Homesman, the 68-year-old actor said he was "concerned" about women's rights.
"As it turns out my grandmother, my mother, my wife and my daughter are all women and I like those people," he said.
"I'm concerned about the issues that they face in their lives. So I'm a feminist, but that's not all I am."
Tommy Lee Jones-"I don't think there's a woman who hasn't been objectified or trivialised because of her gender'
theguardian.com
16 Nov 2014
[FONT=&]...There is a sandblasted rawness few others match because Jones is that rare thing, an authentic loner. His intensity imbues roles with a moral compass even when playing the bad guy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]None of which really prepares you for his latest incarnation: the quasi-feminist. Jones has directed, co-written and stars in a subversive western, The Homesman, which explores the female condition in the frontier harshness of 1850s Nebraska. Hilary Swank plays a resilient, lonely singleton who enlists Jones’s crabby claims jumper to help her escort three mentally ill women back to civilisation. “Our film is the inverse of the conventional western,” says Jones. “It’s about women, not men; it’s about lunatics, not heroes; they’re travelling east, not west; and we have a different perspective on what has come to be called manifest destiny.”
...In The Homesman, based on Glendon Swarthout’s novel, he has put female suffering and fortitude at the heart of a quintessentially masculine genre.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]...Sexist injustice, he says, continues to this day. “I don’t think there’s a woman in the readership of the Guardian, not one, who hasn’t been objectified or trivialised because of her gender at one time or another. And that’s really what our movie is about.”[/FONT]
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So is it a feminist movie? A pause. He chooses his words carefully. “It would not be unfair to call it that but I’m not looking for labels.” It seems he will elaborate but doesn’t...[/FONT]
Tommy Lee Jones
So to return to the topic of the thread...
Yes, the girls state their desired dollar level and nothing has changed about that. But the preset categories are all monthly amounts except for the first category ("negotiable."). Even with negotiable, the implication is that it's a negotiable monthly amount. Nevertheless, in the case of the three women whom I have met via SA, all were willing to meet on a per-encounter basis. Maybe they would prefer a set monthly "budget" but they were willing to compromise. Even women who set a desired budget above "negotiable" may be willing to consider pay-per-meet arrangements.
| NEGOTIABLE | I don't have a set budget |
| MINIMAL | Up to $ 1,000 monthly |
| PRACTICAL | Up to $ 3,000 monthly |
| MODERATE | Up to $ 5,000 monthly |
| SUBSTANTIAL | Up to $ 10,000 monthly |
| HIGH | More than $ 10,000 monthly |
The only ones you got to worry about are the ultra conservatives and the Evangelicals. Feminists play a very small part of it. The ultimate in feminism is legalized prostitution. Her body her choice. But the right-wing conservatives put women down as second class citizens... There are more laws on a woman's uterus then on guns. Guns is a right but not healthcare. The conservatives will never allow any prostitution since it goes against their backwards rightist religious principals. Theocracy above all else. This was never about trafficking this is just a charade to show to the public. So long as Seeking Arrangement remains as a sugar daddy website they will leave it alone since sex for money is against the bible. But having a relationship and offering money for other things besides sex is not against the bible. The only thing I fear is all those escorts with no place to advertise will pollute the Seeking Arrangement sites trying to solicit sexual services. Seeking Arrangement best monitor those accounts and shut them down.
I believe that he was just promoting his movie “Homesman” at the time. He does not strike me as a feminist type. Far from it. There are countless Democrats who are not feminists. Robert DeNiro is another name that comes to mind. He’s another Hollywood tough guy. I don’t think it would be wise to call him a feminist in his presence. He’s apparently got serious issues with his temper.
Me too. In fact I hate all kind of extremist. Left or right. Feminist or misogynist... Any kind. For me an extremist is just like a drug addict or an alcoholic, something blinds him to see reality.
Cheers,
Let's get this thread back to the topic. If we can't do that, then I will suggest to the mods to clean it up or close it. If you want to debate feminism more, we can start a thread about it in the Politics forum. I will be glad to participate.
Though I think we already all agree.
OK, back to the topic of "arrangements."
Jalimon, Cloud 500, EG, STN, have you tried Seeking Arrangement? If so, what was your experience? If not, why not?
Though I think we already all agree.
OK, back to the topic of "arrangements."
Jalimon, Cloud 500, EG, STN, have you tried Seeking Arrangement? If so, what was your experience? If not, why not?
I opened up an account as a trial. Lots of beautiful girls and is very different then regular dating sites as it is the girls making the first move and sending many messages. I like the racial search function as I am interested in Black or Latina girls only. I saw many strippers that I know on that website. I found it interesting. For the moment I have no need for that as I already have an arrangement with a girl I meet at a stripclub over two years ago. Whenever she decides to leave my next move will be on SA. Escorts really does not in me at all maybe once in a while for variety. I call that the pizza delivery experience and that is not my cup of tea at all and neither is the whole pure all business interaction.
I have no reason to use SA, do not need to buy a friend or long term fuck buddy. Just my opinion.
Fair enough, but don't you live in a place where there is not much of an escort scene? Trying the arrangement route expands the supply of available women, some of whom are both more desirable and less expensive than professional escorts.
Admittedly though, it is more work to identify and connect with the right woman. But to me that is part of the fun.
There are a lot of pros and cons and it's not for everyone. But it has worked for me. I recently had my fifth (or was it sixth?) encounter (since November) with my Latina single mom friend. Given the current uncertainty surrounding the escort business, I'm glad that I already have a good relationship with her and I hope to keep it going.
Jalimon, C500, I have browsed the listings on SA for Montreal and I can see that you guys have access to a veritable gold mine of desirable women there. It's just a matter of finding the right one, which can take a few tries. But when I search the listings for Montreal, I wish that I lived there. Who knows, maybe someday I will.
I just want to bust a nut once in awhile, very thankful towards escorts. I have a regular I see that suits my needs. When I am in Quebec I would like to experience more fine dining but will not pay to have someone eat with me, did it a few times in the past but lost the urge.
I am out west more often now, hit the pubs with live entertainment and found a coiple of ladies closer to my age bracket that I have invited for dinners ( free is much better ). There is an escort here ( Taylor Sweet ) that does the trick for me to bust a nut with.
Paying for a friend, even a friend that fucks you on occasion is not what I am looking for.
I am out west more often now, hit the pubs with live entertainment and found a coiple of ladies closer to my age bracket that I have invited for dinners ( free is much better ). There is an escort here ( Taylor Sweet ) that does the trick for me to bust a nut with.
Paying for a friend, even a friend that fucks you on occasion is not what I am looking for.
You have to ignore all that stuff. You're not negotiating with SA-you're negotiating with an individual woman that you happened to meet on SA. As with the escort business, markets determine actual prices, not sellers or buyers (or government
). I have had encounters ("arrangements") with three different women (2 of them more than once). In each case, it was fairly easy for me to reach an agreement about a price per encounter that was approximately equivalent to the going hourly rate for a good escort in the area where I live. However, each one of my encounters lasted at least 2 hours (and as much as 3 hours) and included some social time and some intimate fun time.
Also, there are plenty of escorts who have what I would consider to be unreasonably high prices. That doesn't bother me and it doesn't make me condemn escorts as a group. You just have to find the one that's right for you in price, looks and service. It's the same on SA.
None of the women that I have met on SA charged me for social time (lunch in my case). We agree on a set price for social time and fun time that lasts a combined 2 hours or more. With my current SB, I am getting more and paying less than I would with a comparable escort for the same amount of time.
My impression is that you should always include social time in the negotiation. SBs don't want to think of themselves as escorts for hire by the hour. The social time allows them to think of their encounters as something other than that.
I recognize where you are coming from Mocha, looking at what your needs are and what you need to do to support them. But you must also recognize that most students (many of these SB are!) working 15h/week in a, let's say, $15/h job if they're lucky wouldn't make even that $1000. The SB accepting this amount would make it in a few hours with a SD that she chooses (she can be more selective than escorts) and even hope to have a good time compared to working that shitty student job. The SD himself, even if he's a well paid professional, would likely need to work more hours than his SB to earn that $1000 he's giving her (remember that $1000 is after taxes so he has to earn $2000 to give her $1000 cash). If he make a very decent $200,000/year salary, it is roughly $110/hour, and then take half away in income taxes so about $60/hour in his pockets. And don't forget he's likely also paying restaurants, activities, hotels, travels and gifts.
That is not to say that students should live miserably and also that those salaries paid are fair. But just looking at the hard facts, if a student in our environment decides to add being an SB to her activities, it's a good sideline. If that is the only thing she does to make a living and decides to live on that budget the SD will provide, well that is something else. But even in that case, she would have to work a couple hours a week to make a living... not too shabby!
I am not saying she is not worth it, I am not saying it's not up to him to agree or disagree. In the end, it's an arrangement (exactly!) between two human beings. However, it's easy to look at money as a numbers and loose sight of what it represent. I like my SB to recognize that what I give her is not monopoly money, it's my sweat and blood at work; just like she appreciates that I recognize the effort she makes in being sexy for me and making sure I have a good moment in her company. Mutual respect is what keeps us together.
Mocha, I guess in comes down to how both parties view the arrangement on those sites. If the arrangement if is "support me completely, in exchange for x number of hour/days/dates", then I could see how $1000 monthly would seem minimal. From what some here have posted, however, the arrangements usually don't involve the SD completely supporting the SB. If the SD is only contributing to certain expenses, then $1000 monthly seems like quite a high amount.
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I have been on SA as a paid customer for around 4 years and I don’t agree. There have always been low end providers on SA. It’s not like they will wake up tomorrow and suddenly realize SA is an alternate venue. Unlike Backpage, SA enables messaging and exchanging of photos which irrevocably distinguishes it from other advertising venues.
There have always been low end on SA because a certain segment of clients have money but don’t want to pay a lot for sex. The guy who introduced me to SA is an attorney friend of mine who comes from the Oliver Kloseoff school of thought that if you can get a blow job for $10 and a half eaten Mars bar, that’s a good deal, regardless of whether the SP has any teeth. He actually got robbed on a SA date a few years ago by two low end inner city girls (his type), and when he reported the robbery to police he was essentially laughed out of the station.
I have been on SA as a paid customer for around 4 years and I don’t agree. There have always been low end providers on SA. It’s not like they will wake up tomorrow and suddenly realize SA is an alternate venue. Unlike Backpage, SA enables messaging and exchanging of photos which irrevocably distinguishes it from other advertising venues.
There have always been low end on SA because a certain segment of clients have money but don’t want to pay a lot for sex. The guy who introduced me to SA is an attorney friend of mine who comes from the Oliver Kloseoff school of thought that if you can get a blow job for $10 and a half eaten Mars bar, that’s a good deal, regardless of whether the SP has any teeth. He actually got robbed on a SA date a few years ago by two low end inner city girls (his type), and when he reported the robbery to police he was essentially laughed out of the station.
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