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I agree and thank many of the detailed information and suggestions posted by you folks in here. I had briefly used SA once before a couple of years back, but I got really busy on that month, and I never renewed it then. Nevertheless, I renewed it again a couple of weeks back, and I must say, a lot of the comments and suggestions have come in really useful. Its been two weeks and I have had a couple of wonderful encounters and really in a fix right now, who to see again, lol and have been making quite a few promising connections as well. It seems, I actually like the game of it too.
But yes as it has been mentioned here, if anyone is not willing to devote a certain amount of time to identify his potential matches and continue a conversation, SA might not be the right place.
Just my two cents.
But yes as it has been mentioned here, if anyone is not willing to devote a certain amount of time to identify his potential matches and continue a conversation, SA might not be the right place.
Just my two cents.
deadhead,
You are dead on target with your post. It's a big time commitment, and my married friends who are on SA and have less free time complain that they just do not have the time to invest to get the returns needed on the investment. It could be that you send 20 messages that gets you 1 or 2 dates and you have to mentally work through that statistical likelihood, and accept that instant gratification is not going to happen. It was an adjustment for me in the beginning as a guy who had always seen escorts and gotten used to the "instant gratification" that goes with calling an escort agency. Once I made the adjustment, invested time into the game, and improved my SA shtick, I actually started to like the gaming aspect of it and my results improved. I also think SA forces you to sharpen your social skills. If you do not, you will suck at it and not succeed. Social and communication skills are very, very important on SA and it is crucial that you project to any woman that you are experienced, gentlemanly and not clingy or needy or creepy. You have to be above all else patient. How you communicate will determine whether she thinks you are a horndog in heat or a cool customer who isn't going to show up with a visible erection bursting through the zipper on his pants.
You are dead on target with your post. It's a big time commitment, and my married friends who are on SA and have less free time complain that they just do not have the time to invest to get the returns needed on the investment. It could be that you send 20 messages that gets you 1 or 2 dates and you have to mentally work through that statistical likelihood, and accept that instant gratification is not going to happen. It was an adjustment for me in the beginning as a guy who had always seen escorts and gotten used to the "instant gratification" that goes with calling an escort agency. Once I made the adjustment, invested time into the game, and improved my SA shtick, I actually started to like the gaming aspect of it and my results improved. I also think SA forces you to sharpen your social skills. If you do not, you will suck at it and not succeed. Social and communication skills are very, very important on SA and it is crucial that you project to any woman that you are experienced, gentlemanly and not clingy or needy or creepy. You have to be above all else patient. How you communicate will determine whether she thinks you are a horndog in heat or a cool customer who isn't going to show up with a visible erection bursting through the zipper on his pants.
Never seemed to bother my dates, they actually would've been disappointed with the opposite!
My name is B and I am a mother of one and engaged. My fiancé and I are struggling really hard right now. I’m looking for a platonic relationship. We need help with bills etc. We’ve never been able to do anything like vacations, or get new clothing for not only us but our boy.
WTF? I see a lot of this. Which one of you guys wants to help them?
WTF? I see a lot of this. Which one of you guys wants to help them?
^^^^
This is why I see escorts, none of this BS.
WTF, you are supposed to pay for a vacation for her, her kid and her fiancé, what about her grandparents do they need moterized wheelchairs perhaps.
This is why I see escorts, none of this BS.
WTF, you are supposed to pay for a vacation for her, her kid and her fiancé, what about her grandparents do they need moterized wheelchairs perhaps.
There isn’t a lot of that on SA, it’s like .001% of what I have read. You hit “next”, which is pretty easy to do. Crazy easy actually. The board has scammers and they are pretty easy to spot, and they are usually the ones favoriting you unsolicited. The ones who favorite are the ones looking for attention usually.
There are the same percentage of scammers in the escort world, who show up, ask for money up front and then leave with the money. I have read more of those scams on MERB than I have heard or seen this type of scam on SA. You guys are truly kidding yourselves if you assume that you are somehow superior in your protection from scams. Scam protection anywhere and on any board comes down to how smart and savvy you as an individual are in keeping your bullshit radar well tuned.
There are the same percentage of scammers in the escort world, who show up, ask for money up front and then leave with the money. I have read more of those scams on MERB than I have heard or seen this type of scam on SA. You guys are truly kidding yourselves if you assume that you are somehow superior in your protection from scams. Scam protection anywhere and on any board comes down to how smart and savvy you as an individual are in keeping your bullshit radar well tuned.
I completely agree with EagerBeaver on the above point. I've also not seen much like this, and among some other types, like escorts, or who are only interested about the money and nothing else, it's usually easy to spot from their very first line of conversation as they will straight say a $ amount and a certain 1 or 2 hrs of fun. Usually, I don't even respond to them. And also, as suggested by this thread, the other approach I take is, after we had agreed upon a mutual agreement about expectations in the arrangement and the $$, I always stress to have a social get to know meet for a coffee or drink maybe just to talk in person and see if we click. Usually the ones who are only after the money and don't really care about the mutual connection thing, will try to talk me out of that, but I don't divulge. And I believe it makes sense for both parties; I can see the person and see if we click mutually, and also she can be a bit acquainted with me, see if she likes me or not and feel more comfortable around me before the arrangement is finalized. And there is no $ involved in such a meet; of course I offer to sponsor the date. And if one can hold a nice, funny, decent conversation, the rewards are pretty nice. I can say from one of my own nice experiences.
I had such a get to know meet last evening, and it turned out to be much more fun than I had anticipated it to be. Met up with this 21 year old hot Moroccan girl to have drinks yesterday evening; took her to Le 4 Mur on St. Denis. She was really surprised by the idea that the entrance to the bar was hidden and she had to figure out the clue to get in; had not seen anything like it. Anyway, it was a nice conversation, and after that too, we had a long walk and she wanted to have another drink but this time she insisted that she will pay for it. The gesture also gave me a sign that she was having a nice time and it was not just $ for her, but also the sense of adventure and meeting new people. Anyway, we come back to downtown near my place in Crescent, have more drinks and I invited her to my place to sober up afterwards and she accepted and we spent some more time at my place, chatting, playing chess (she was pretty good actually), and making out a bit, hey hey. I didn't want to impose anything further since, by that time, it was clear that we were both comfortable around each other and I would surely see her again.
I'm not saying this is common in first get to know meets. But if you put some time in having a nice conversation, finding an out of the ordinary place to meet, things can go a long way.
Just my experiences...Thought to give back to the thread also.
I had such a get to know meet last evening, and it turned out to be much more fun than I had anticipated it to be. Met up with this 21 year old hot Moroccan girl to have drinks yesterday evening; took her to Le 4 Mur on St. Denis. She was really surprised by the idea that the entrance to the bar was hidden and she had to figure out the clue to get in; had not seen anything like it. Anyway, it was a nice conversation, and after that too, we had a long walk and she wanted to have another drink but this time she insisted that she will pay for it. The gesture also gave me a sign that she was having a nice time and it was not just $ for her, but also the sense of adventure and meeting new people. Anyway, we come back to downtown near my place in Crescent, have more drinks and I invited her to my place to sober up afterwards and she accepted and we spent some more time at my place, chatting, playing chess (she was pretty good actually), and making out a bit, hey hey. I didn't want to impose anything further since, by that time, it was clear that we were both comfortable around each other and I would surely see her again.
I'm not saying this is common in first get to know meets. But if you put some time in having a nice conversation, finding an out of the ordinary place to meet, things can go a long way.
Just my experiences...Thought to give back to the thread also.
Deadhead,
I use the exact same approach as you as far as “screening dates.” Scammers never get to that point. They are so easy to filter. Although the filtering part on SA does take some time because sometimes you start exchanging messages and it’s clear the girl is opportunistic or (in many cases) too cautious. I take it from the posts above that those posters have no confidence in their own ability to recognize scammers. If you just don’t have that confidence, then it’s probably advisable not to register on SA.
I use the exact same approach as you as far as “screening dates.” Scammers never get to that point. They are so easy to filter. Although the filtering part on SA does take some time because sometimes you start exchanging messages and it’s clear the girl is opportunistic or (in many cases) too cautious. I take it from the posts above that those posters have no confidence in their own ability to recognize scammers. If you just don’t have that confidence, then it’s probably advisable not to register on SA.
If you're staying on Crescent, you may know the Cloakroom on de la Montagne, similar concept and nice place for a first date
Looking at some positive feedbacks in this thread, I decided to give SA a shot. Been there for about 3 weeks.
I wanted to resolve 2 things through SA. First, I always found that with agency, we can not see the SP's Face when we book, which at least 50% of times lead to disappointment. I thought going to SA route should solve this issue since most girls willing to share face pics before we meet. Second, I wanted to find a longer term arrangement which involves intimate time and no dinner date/activities/travel/etc.
So, during these 3 weeks chatted with about 40 girls. Atleast half of them stopped replying/did not login again to the site and so there was no progress in the conversation. Atleast 5 escorts reached out and asked for price between $300-$500 per meeting but did not met any of them. Atleast 4 times I have been stood up- the girl basically told me in the morning that she is going to meet me in the evening/night but it did not happen. Some of them did not even bother to inform me earlier-they just stopped replying which pissed me off.
I found in SA most girls reply better if you go to the point directly instead of asking them to meet for coffee and then discuss. Also, some of the coffee date did not went as expected. Most girls in SA are looking for social time only with price tag of about $200 on average. Only some girls are willing to be intimate and if you want to include intimate time then price goes to $400-$500 which I found a lot higher than most reputable agencies here. Also, there is always a question what kind of service you could expect from a normal girl even after paying $400-$500 for the date. I saw there is a comment in this thread that lots of girls signed up in SA in Montreal every week which I found not true(I might be using different search criteria though in SA than the other reviewers here. I was looking for spinners there and age not more than 25). Have another evening date tonight (after going through her interview- which ranged from what i do to whether I have STDs etc. questions). Will see how it goes.
Overall, I think SA was a big waste of my time and it is probably not for me. I think it is most suited for those people who also wants social time than only intimate time. Since I have limited budget, I felt I do not want to spend money for social time. I also now have more appreciation for all reputable Montreal agencies bookers who somehow make sure that the girls meet the clients according to schedule and see any kind of clients regardless of age, ethnicity etc.
I wanted to resolve 2 things through SA. First, I always found that with agency, we can not see the SP's Face when we book, which at least 50% of times lead to disappointment. I thought going to SA route should solve this issue since most girls willing to share face pics before we meet. Second, I wanted to find a longer term arrangement which involves intimate time and no dinner date/activities/travel/etc.
So, during these 3 weeks chatted with about 40 girls. Atleast half of them stopped replying/did not login again to the site and so there was no progress in the conversation. Atleast 5 escorts reached out and asked for price between $300-$500 per meeting but did not met any of them. Atleast 4 times I have been stood up- the girl basically told me in the morning that she is going to meet me in the evening/night but it did not happen. Some of them did not even bother to inform me earlier-they just stopped replying which pissed me off.
I found in SA most girls reply better if you go to the point directly instead of asking them to meet for coffee and then discuss. Also, some of the coffee date did not went as expected. Most girls in SA are looking for social time only with price tag of about $200 on average. Only some girls are willing to be intimate and if you want to include intimate time then price goes to $400-$500 which I found a lot higher than most reputable agencies here. Also, there is always a question what kind of service you could expect from a normal girl even after paying $400-$500 for the date. I saw there is a comment in this thread that lots of girls signed up in SA in Montreal every week which I found not true(I might be using different search criteria though in SA than the other reviewers here. I was looking for spinners there and age not more than 25). Have another evening date tonight (after going through her interview- which ranged from what i do to whether I have STDs etc. questions). Will see how it goes.
Overall, I think SA was a big waste of my time and it is probably not for me. I think it is most suited for those people who also wants social time than only intimate time. Since I have limited budget, I felt I do not want to spend money for social time. I also now have more appreciation for all reputable Montreal agencies bookers who somehow make sure that the girls meet the clients according to schedule and see any kind of clients regardless of age, ethnicity etc.
@testingsite, i believe you're right that if you're looking only for intimate time, an escort is probably better. After being with two sugar babies for a few years, i concur that they are also looking for social time. Most of these girls are civilian, aside from the few escorts or hardcore golgdiggers. These civilian girls have the dream of the rich sugar daddy who will spoil them and allow them to access a luxury lifestyle they can't afford. Expensive restaurants, designer brands, travels, ans will reciprocate with affection.
It's a hard search finding the one for you, totally worth it when you do. But i agree with you, the auditions you run for tge "sugar baby" role in your life can be frustrating and long. However, don't let them run the show: you're the one with the money. They have what you want but don't forget you have what they want! It's a negotiation.
However, when you do find the right one, it can be a quite pleasant relationship. True girlfriend-like experience without the drama. With my last one, when we were exclusive, and after due testing, we were even bareback. She was stunning, affectuous and caring! How better can life be!
It's a hard search finding the one for you, totally worth it when you do. But i agree with you, the auditions you run for tge "sugar baby" role in your life can be frustrating and long. However, don't let them run the show: you're the one with the money. They have what you want but don't forget you have what they want! It's a negotiation.
However, when you do find the right one, it can be a quite pleasant relationship. True girlfriend-like experience without the drama. With my last one, when we were exclusive, and after due testing, we were even bareback. She was stunning, affectuous and caring! How better can life be!
If you're staying on Crescent, you may know the Cloakroom on de la Montagne, similar concept and nice place for a first date
Oh, thanks. Good to know.
Yes, I am thinking not to renew subscription in SA. To give an update, here's what happened in my yesterday's meeting with another girl from SA. So, the date was for 2 hours. The girl had to spend more than one hour giving me BBBJ and handjob together to make me cum and I finally came when 15 minutes was still left. This is a new record for me. Usually I cum pretty fast with escorts when they perform BBBJ. This girl was actually really bad at giving BBBJ. I have never seen this much dropping saliva when doing BBBJ in my life. Believe me or not, my whole new tissue box was nearly empty after one hour, just from cleaning her saliva. Had also worst kissing experience. I just did not get it what she was trying to do with my lips. Throghout the session, she also had lots of restrictions and did not want to take my lead in many cases. Overall, it is one of my worst experience ever.
Testingsite, based on your comments, what you are looking for is an escort. You are using Seeking with the wrong objectives in mind.
I'm agree..!
With SA we can't only base on services or performance of the girls but also with companionship. Unfortunately, there are a lot of guys go there looking for escort service. They may have better quality/price with Indy or Agencies.
So clearly you're looking for a professional. Don't blame it on the girl, as I was saying they are mostly normal girls, and young so less experienced. Count yourself lucky however, I have yet to find a lover who would give me a continuous blow job for over an hour!!! However unskilled in your views, she was patient and generous. Give me her phone number, It will a pleasure to train her (pun fully intended!)! Lol!
Good luck.
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Oh, so she checked the box! Well, in that case, nothing to worry about...NOT!
I assume that Montreal agencies use a more thorough procedure for a checking a girl's age than checking a box. But I certainly wouldn't assume that the girls on classified sites in Montreal have passed any kind of meaningful age-checking procedure.
I also wonder: what happened to the girl's sex-trafficking, pimp slave-master? You can't tell me that the young woman decided to go on that site, place the ad (while carefully checking the box) and then arranged to meet the guy, have sex and accept $500 as payment. Everyone knows that 16-year old girls never have sex of their own free will., especially in return for money.[/FONT]
] [FONT=&]stating they are at least 18 before they can register for an account. The age of consent in Texas is 17."Oh, so she checked the box! Well, in that case, nothing to worry about...NOT!
I assume that Montreal agencies use a more thorough procedure for a checking a girl's age than checking a box. But I certainly wouldn't assume that the girls on classified sites in Montreal have passed any kind of meaningful age-checking procedure.
I also wonder: what happened to the girl's sex-trafficking, pimp slave-master? You can't tell me that the young woman decided to go on that site, place the ad (while carefully checking the box) and then arranged to meet the guy, have sex and accept $500 as payment. Everyone knows that 16-year old girls never have sex of their own free will., especially in return for money.[/FONT]
This is the problem. Many absolutely do but society does not like to admit it.
I carded a girl from Brazil last year (long story).
Honestly, I have more consistent good times in that sweet spot for me which is 25-30ish age bracket but I do see younger girls. Be careful. According to the authorities there are no excuses.
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