Long term arrangements

[EagerBeaver]

I tried the SA video function for the first time the other day and the same thing happened to me. We could see each other and I could hear her but she couldn't hear me. FaceTime or WhatsApp have worked perfectly for me with other potential SB's.

I wonder what is up with that? I totally understand why SA has the video function: it is to weed out the scammers and is a very useful tool. In my case the girl was at least able to figure out I was a real person and not a bot or scam artist and we then took the conversation to Face Time, which as in your case worked perfectly. I do not understand why the SA Video function did not work either because it is a Zoom based platform and I have done many Zoom meetings on that computer. I do not think the problem was on my end or the girl's, it was with SA video function. The girl seemed quite adept at techology and was using a newer iPhone 11.

I am meeting that girl for a no strings attached dinner tomorrow night so we will see how that goes. She is a 26 year old nurse. The only thing with her is she has a Vermont area code phone number which she hasn't really explained satisfactorily (something vague about getting the phone when her brother lived in Vermont although she never lived there). She seems a wee bit too excited to meet for a NSA date. So tomorrow night should be telling. I do not suffer bullshit or unreliability well, so we will see how it goes.

 

[testingsite]

Question regarding seeking:

• Do you guys use Diamond subscription to get more attention from attractive members and eliminate completion with other sugar daddies? Is it wise to use Diamond subscription instead of Premium subscription or it will attract wrong type of girl like the greedy ones who only care about money? Because of Diamond Subscription girl might be asking more $$$ per meeting?
• How are you deciding the $$$ value a girl deserves per meeting? Is it based on how they look or what criteria? I believe, right now in Montreal a girl expects $ 500 per meeting. So, will you pay lower or higher than that amount based on girl's look?
• How satisfied are you with your SB when it comes to sex? Do you feel they are too noob (atleast the younger ones) or do you think sexual chemistry is much better here than escorts since SB chose you after seeing your photo where escorts do not see clients picture before?
• What are you doing to make sure the SB that you have finally found that you like does not leave you for another one? Giving gifts/vacations etc or you do not care if they leave since you are always in seeking website searching for new SB?
• How often do you keep in touch with your SB? Daily, weekly or only when setting up the next meeting?

 

[EagerBeaver]

Answers:

1. I don't know because I only ever purchased Premium.

2. It gets negotiated- it's what she is willing to accept, not what she deserves. And if you meet her and don't think she deserves what was negotiated, you move on. This is pretty simple.

3. This varies, the one I am seeing now isn't too experienced so I call it noobie sex- BUT, she takes direction well, and when a girl takes direction well, generally she will get better.

4. Nothing at all- this is a completely useless endeavor and waste of energy, because a girl will do what she wants regardless, and if you try and possessively control her, most girls will quickly drop you. It can be presumed they see others. Exclusivity is irrelevant but if you really, really want monogamy, get married and quit the hobby. Most common statement made in SB profiles on SA: "nothing serious."

5. I text her only when ready to see her next time, with rare exceptions. Most SBs don't appreciate needy and clingy guys and some even say so in their profiles. It's a 2 way street, I tell girls I don't need to be texted all the time and it's understood until the next date we both go back to our private lives. That kind of preserves the nature of the arrangement as most ladies aren't looking for relationships and are leery of SDs who are, in my experience.

 

[testingsite]

Thanks @EagerBeaver for your answer. Makes sense.

Even though it is not exclusive and usually they have more than 1 Sugar Daddy at a time, is there any easy way to detect atleast whether the SB is also working as an escort for an agency or for a massage parlor? I see atleast in Montreal, many of the new girls recruited in agencies/parlors are from seeking website and they are also currently active in seeking.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Testing site,

I have only ever seen one Seeking Arrangement girl in Montreal. It was back in 2016. I saw her 3 times in 3 trips. She definitely wasn't working anywhere as an escort or massage girl. She was a student. All the other SA girls I saw in the past 7 years were in Connecticut and New York City, and one girl in Springfield, Mass. They were all college students. About 80% of them were minorities, and all of them were on SA because of crushing debt associated with being a college student.

That student girl I met in Montreal I had 4 hour dinner dates with and paid her $300, including dinner conversation and sex. So the dates were $75 an hour. She was a mixed racial 20 year old woman.

From the times I used SA while in Montreal, I do think there are probably some ladies working at escort agencies as well. I did know two working girls who had SA profiles and used SA- one worked at Euphoria Escorts, the other worked at a massage parlor in New York City called Madison Holistic. I met them as escort/massage girl and they told me they had SA profiles.

Although more escorts are on SA in Montreal, I don't think they are anything more than a tiny minority of what's on SA. As I said elsewhere, it's a massive population on SA and represents a large slice of the population at large which is mostly civilian woman. There is a chance you will meet an escort but if you sift through the profiles carefully, you will probably be able to figure it out and you may see escort type pics. In CT and NY I have seen some profiles of ladies who are dominatrixes and it's clear from their profiles that's what they are looking for. These women are likely sex workers and I never contact them because it's not what I am interested in.

 

[testingsite]

Have 2 more new questions for you experts

• I assume you do not share your real number with potential SB. So, what is the best method you found to exchange texts/videos? I was using Text Me app to exchange texts and protonmail to exchange photos/videos since Text Me app causes sometimes issue with MMS transfer. Seems very inefficient.
• Do you have any tips on how to negotiate in seeking?

 

[EagerBeaver]

Have 2 more new questions for you experts

• I assume you do not share your real number with potential SB. So, what is the best method you found to exchange texts/videos? I was using Text Me app to exchange texts and protonmail to exchange photos/videos since Text Me app causes sometimes issue with MMS transfer. Seems very inefficient.

Most girls use either Kik or Snapchat to exchange photos and videos because of an anti-copying feature both apps have.

• Do you have any tips on how to negotiate in seeking?

Just the same as you negotiate anything else in the world. You start at a fair low offer and see where it goes. It depends on how hot the girl is or how bad you want to see her as to what dictates your opening offer.

This is kind of like asking how you negotiate a car deal. Same rules apply. I had one Honda Dealer that kept bidding against itself and dropping their offer. So guess what I did? I kept my mouth shut and let them keep dropping their offer. Then I walked out and told the guy I think about it but I am hungry and going to get my dinner. Then he called me up, begged me to turn my car around, and proceeded to drop his offer another $10/month on the lease. I said I am going to eat dinner, I will think about it, goodbye. In the morning he called me and dropped another $10. At that point he was $10 above my offer so I pitied the poor bastard and told him I would split the difference.

You just have to figure out how it goes, everyone is different. Girls all over the lot on price. General rule: the younger and less experienced do not know their value and are easiest to negotiate with. Just do not insult with the opening offer.

 

[Nerd666]

this is hilarious ;

Becoming A Whorelord​

Becoming A Whorelord: The Overly Analytical Guide To Escorting

The Overly Analytical Guide to Escorting

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The article mention SA, and gives an idea of the economical landscape they are in.

 

[2shy]

Most girls use either Kik or Snapchat to exchange photos and videos because of an anti-copying feature both apps have.

Just the same as you negotiate anything else in the world. You start at a fair low offer and see where it goes. It depends on how hot the girl is or how bad you want to see her as to what dictates your opening offer.

This is kind of like asking how you negotiate a car deal. Same rules apply. I had one Honda Dealer that kept bidding against itself and dropping their offer. So guess what I did? I kept my mouth shut and let them keep dropping their offer. Then I walked out and told the guy I think about it but I am hungry and going to get my dinner. Then he called me up, begged me to turn my car around, and proceeded to drop his offer another $10/month on the lease. I said I am going to eat dinner, I will think about it, goodbye. In the morning he called me and dropped another $10. At that point he was $10 above my offer so I pitied the poor bastard and told him I would split the difference.

You just have to figure out how it goes, everyone is different. Girls all over the lot on price. General rule: the younger and less experienced do not know their value and are easiest to negotiate with. Just do not insult with the opening offer.

Which site are you guys most pleased with? I find Seeking.com, for example, has very few profiles.
Thanks

 

[EagerBeaver]

Which site are you guys most pleased with? I find Seeking.com, for example, has very few profiles.
Thanks

Be careful, it's not the number of profiles that count but the activity and rate of members logged in on any one day. Sites like What's Your Price and Elite Meets Beauty have plenty of profiles, but did you check to see when any of them were last active? If you look closely there might only be 4-5 ladies in your search criteria active in the last day. You want a lot of more activity than that.

 

[envelopes]

Need some advice. Just made an account on seeking. I don't understand... there are so many profiles I see that says "I am not here to meet up". So, why the hell are they on here then?

I read a lot of "looking for a connection and show you a good time", but when you scroll down to the end, they say "not here to fuck". What the hell does "a good time" mean then?

Seeking is very confusing. What is a good first message to send to make clear that I am looking for a regular SB with a connection along with casual sex? (that wont break the SA rules)

Thanks, total newbie at SA.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Need some advice. Just made an account on seeking. I don't understand... there are so many profiles I see that says "I am not here to meet up". So, why the hell are they on here then?

I read a lot of "looking for a connection and show you a good time", but when you scroll down to the end, they say "not here to fuck". What the hell does "a good time" mean then?

Seeking is very confusing. What is a good first message to send to make clear that I am looking for a regular SB with a connection along with casual sex? (that wont break the SA rules)

Thanks, total newbie at SA.

You have to read between the lines of some of those profiles and this is discussed earlier in the thread. Rule number 1 on SA is never hookerize a girl. The girls post disclaimers like that because guys write them and want to meet at a hotel on the first date. Some profiles make clear the girl does not want any intimacy ever, but most are written with code and basically the code is the following: "I do not fuck on a first date. I want to meet and see if we have a connection and also see if you value my time, show me I am worth something and can behave like a gentleman and not a creep or Caveman." It is up to you to figure out the code. Also, no transactional talk on SA. You get a lady's number and then you can talk about what you want. I basically tell them I want a NSA date or dates to start because I too want to see if there is any connection. This is what they want to hear. They also do not want guys looking for a serious relationship as opposed to casual encounters. You have to learn how to talk the SA lingo. What I usually say is let's meet NSA and "see where things go", which is code for "if we hit it off I want to fuck you." There is Code on there for everything, you just need to learn it. A lot of it is just common sense dating type communication.

You just need to go on there, read between the lines and figure it out. But the vast majority of women on there: 1) are not escorts, but will have sex once they connect with you and get to know you and they see you are not a Gorilla and can behave on dates and are not aggressively ugly; (2) learn to be patient and figure out when is the time make an offer. Don't sign up with the attitude that you can communicate with most girls on there like they are escorts, because you can't.

 

[R the Man]

I saw two girls in my recent trip to Montreal (first in a year and a half!) that I first met up with on Seeking.com in the past year. One was a sweet young girl only on the site a brief time, but we chatted over a few months on WhatsApp - I didn't think she'd meet me, but in the end we had a nice dinner date followed by a fun time with sex in my hotel. $500 for 3 hours (plus dinner) for a non-pro GFE experience. The second was a girl from Seeking.com that I met up with the last time I was in town. We hadn't talked for over 6 months, but when I said I was back in town she was good to meet, and we had a fabulous session. For me, Seeking.com has been really good. I only join up to make contacts, then we take it off-line via WhatsApp or texts.

 

[envelopes]

I saw two girls in my recent trip to Montreal (first in a year and a half!) that I first met up with on Seeking.com in the past year. One was a sweet young girl only on the site a brief time, but we chatted over a few months on WhatsApp - I didn't think she'd meet me, but in the end we had a nice dinner date followed by a fun time with sex in my hotel. $500 for 3 hours (plus dinner) for a non-pro GFE experience. The second was a girl from Seeking.com that I met up with the last time I was in town. We hadn't talked for over 6 months, but when I said I was back in town she was good to meet, and we had a fabulous session. For me, Seeking.com has been really good. I only join up to make contacts, then we take it off-line via WhatsApp or texts.

You talked with them over 6 months without meeting?

One of my best experiences in Montreal so far is meeting an agency girl who was new and quit after 3 weeks. But lucky I got her WhatsApp, and I see her every time I'm in Montreal (once every 6 months), and we go out and get food, and get GFE for 3 hours. I have been trying to find more experiences like that.

Sounds like seeking is the way to go to find that. I heard about seeking a long time ago but I thought girls on there would want to find someone local. I am based out of the US so I thought girls on Montreal SA would think I was a time waster.

So you talk with them for 6 months without any payment? I am very surprised girls on there would go with that? I thought most girls on there would drop you if you didn't seem like someone who would give em some sugar?

If I can go on seeking in the US, set up meets, and meet them when I am in town, that would be very nice.

 

[R the Man]

You talked with them over 6 months without meeting?

One of my best experiences in Montreal so far is meeting an agency girl who was new and quit after 3 weeks. But lucky I got her WhatsApp, and I see her every time I'm in Montreal (once every 6 months), and we go out and get food, and get GFE for 3 hours. I have been trying to find more experiences like that.

Sounds like seeking is the way to go to find that. I heard about seeking a long time ago but I thought girls on there would want to find someone local. I am based out of the US so I thought girls on Montreal SA would think I was a time waster.

So you talk with them for 6 months without any payment? I am very surprised girls on there would go with that? I thought most girls on there would drop you if you didn't seem like someone who would give em some sugar?

If I can go on seeking in the US, set up meets, and meet them when I am in town, that would be very nice.

Yes, I'm out of town (but in Canada) and I make it clear to them that I am looking for a ppm arrangement on my regular trips to Montreal. Haven't had a problem finding ones that will have an ongoing chat, but it's not like it's every day or even every week. Just a bit of getting to know one another, sending a few pics, that sort of thing. I might send them a small gift card or something, depending on circumstances (like them sending me sexy photos )

 

[EagerBeaver]

What R the Man said above is exactly the way to do it and the way I did it in visiting Montreal. You don't text a girl every day between trips, just when you are coming and where she wants to go for dinner etc. Just the relevant and important details. Girls don't like needy and clingy guys and Vice Versa, this topic has already been covered. Many girls even say in their SA profiles they don't want to text endlessly, this is code to "get down to fucking business" and that "no needy/clingy types need apply." The Code is common sense basically and if you can't figure it out......well I will let you fill in the blanks.

 

[rndmdude]

how much do you guys usually spend on a date ? I am from States, but looking at Montreal for first time.

 

[Christian32]

how much do you guys usually spend on a date ? I am from States, but looking at Montreal for first time.

It varies a lot, but its between 300 and 600

For the first date at least... then its possible to negotiate a lower PPM if they like you

 

[murray]

HI,

I'm back on SA since one year. Is it me or the requested fee have blowned up? before, in my experience, 300 was fine, now its more 500-600, and not for the top profiles

 

[MikeRiviera]

Merci pour vos inputs.

Pour Jessica et Victoria je vous confirme qu'elles n'utilisaient pas leur vrai photos. Ça leur ressemblaient vaguement tout au plus.

Celle que je rencontre jeudi soir ne me demande rien, on s'est fixé un point de rencontre, on à échangé nos cells, on à texté un peu, elle m'a envoyé plusieurs photos qui semblent legit.

Les deux autres que je suis supposé rencontrer, l'une me demande 150$, l'autre me demande 220$!!!! Celle à 220$ c'est une asiatique format mini aux seins refaits. Mais c'est justement ça qui me gosse, les deux sont des pitounes de première si je me fie à leur photos, mais en même temps ça ressemble à une foutue arnaque de se faire payer un lunch, collecter du cash et me faire dire "ça fonctionnera pas finalement".

Enfin bref, à suivre...


Edit 29/07/2021: finalement j'ai tout annulé. Afin de ne pas avoir de surprise, je clarifie avec celle que je devais voir jeudi que c'était bien une rencontre exploratoire pour voir si ça clique. Elle me pique une crise en me disant que pour elle l'arrangement était débuté car on avait fait un peu de sexting et qu'elle m'avait envoyé des photos!!! Faque elle s'attendait que je lui donne 400$ pour aller souper et prendre un verre (en sachant très bien que je n'étais pas dispo après pour aller à l'hôtel!!!). Wtf? Je lui ai dis que l'arrangement commençait quand le cul commençait et que si je voulais aller juste jaser je me bookerais un psy et que ça allait me coûter moins cher. Elle à pas aimé... Je vais m'en tenir aux escortes et massos, je suis clairement pas assez habile socialement pour naviguer sur ce site!!!

Je suis content d'entendre vos histoires. J'avais envisagé m'inscrire à SA, mais après mure réflexion, je crois que je vais attendre. $ 500, c'est quand même un bon montant, sans avoir l'assurance que ce sera agréable.