Long term arrangements

[EagerBeaver]

Never had that issue, and If the communication was clear/good the issue shouldn't have occurred, but if the issue had occurred I probably would have given her $100 or $150 as you did.

As far as fake pics go there are some scammers who post their ex GF pics and pose as her. These scammers seek money for pics arrangements. A couple actually gave me Cash App or Venmo accounts that had male names attached, one was an Isaiah something. That's when you know for sure the scam is on.

There are scammers on every website and it's up to the buyer to beware and detect them.

Never heard of someone posting fake pics and wanting to meet in person though. The scammers usually only want an online arrangement.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Christian - you are aware of the advent of the video chat function on SA and other inventions like FaceTime, correct? Most SBs ask to use the chat function before a first meeting to determine that you aren't a scammer or scum bag. Seems like the chat function should have been used here. It's a mistake that didn't have to happen.

 

[Christian32]

For those that accept to pay the girl for a dinner date, how often does it turn into good intimate time after?

 

[oobe]

For those that accept to pay the girl for a dinner date, how often does it turn into good intimate time after?

I only did so once, because the girl was just too damn endearing and I felt like helping her. I actually thought at the time that she would not be comfortable with intimacy, but I still enjoyed my night a lot, and we had a couple of platonic dates after that (theatre and swimming pool, no compensation asked or received), and kept in touch texting on occasion.
A couple of months later she offered to go for drinks, started cuddling and kissing at the bar, nearly raped me in the backstreet, and unleashed her inner sex tiger back at my place. Next time she offered her greek virginity and went on exploring a few kinks with me.
Which goes on to say you never can tell!

Go with the flow, stay flexible and trust your instincts!
You should only play with play money anyway.

 

[EagerBeaver]

For those that accept to pay the girl for a dinner date, how often does it turn into good intimate time after?

Do you mean on that date or the next time? Because intimacy isn't discussed in that text exchange you posted. $200 is a little rich for a platonic date.

 

[Christian32]

Do you mean on that date or the next time? Because intimacy isn't discussed in that text exchange you posted. $200 is a little rich for a platonic date.

It is clear in my profile and I initially offered 300 for that intimate meeting, then she wanted a dinner date for 200, later said 100, but personally its no deal, I doubt that many will be willing to do more for a second meeting.... but asking here in case.

 

[EagerBeaver]

My approach would have been offer her $100 for a "no strings attached date" and then decide whether to offer her $300 for an intimate date. Why on Earth lock yourself into an intimate date when the girl might show up and you end up hating her?

I am reminded of a NSA, no pay date with this girl who at the beginning of the date I thought was attractive but after she opened her mouth (and never stopped talking) I wanted nothing to do with her. She did offer intimacy for $300 which is cheap by US standards. I later thought it might have been fun to get a BJ from her just because with my dick in her mouth I could finally get her to stop talking. LOL!!!! I literally had a headache after the date with this chatterbox.

 

[theyellowman]

My approach would have been offer her $100 for a "no strings attached date" and then decide whether to offer her $300 for an intimate date. Why on Earth lock yourself into an intimate date when the girl might show up and you end up hating her?

I am reminded of a NSA, no pay date with this girl who at the beginning of the date I thought was attractive but after she opened her mouth (and never stopped talking) I wanted nothing to do with her. She did offer intimacy for $300 which is cheap by US standards. I later thought it might have been fun to get a BJ from her just because with my dick in her mouth I could finally get her to stop talking. LOL!!!! I literally had a headache after the date with this chatterbox.

It is clear in my profile and I initially offered 300 for that intimate meeting, then she wanted a dinner date for 200, later said 100, but personally its no deal, I doubt that many will be willing to do more for a second meeting.... but asking here in case.

Most of SB ask for 400-500 for intimate meeting. For dinner date , you can certainly propose the girls 150. Some of them may accept this offer.

 

[donbusch]

Most of SB ask for 400-500 for intimate meeting. For dinner date , you can certainly propose the girls 150. Some of them may accept this offer.

I haven’t done the SD/SB scene in Montreal yet and while $400-500 PPM sounds about right for Montreal, I would be reluctant to offer $150 for just a dinner date. If the chemistry isn’t there, it’s difficult to walk away in the middle of dinner.

So far for my SB/SD activities in Barcelona & Madrid, it has been a short M&G, mostly free and at the very most, some transport money. For high cost cities like London & Sydney, yeah $50-100 is sometimes unavoidable.

But everyone has a different strategy, keen to learn from others.

 

[theyellowman]

I haven’t done the SD/SB scene in Montreal yet and while $400-500 PPM sounds about right for Montreal, I would be reluctant to offer $150 for just a dinner date. If the chemistry isn’t there, it’s difficult to walk away in the middle of dinner.

So far for my SB/SD activities in Barcelona & Madrid, it has been a short M&G, mostly free and at the very most, some transport money. For high cost cities like London & Sydney, yeah $50-100 is sometimes unavoidable.

But everyone has a different strategy, keen to learn from others.

The problem is most of SB don’t want to have intimacy on the 1st date. So it some how like an gambling and expecting the girl accept to see us a 2nd time.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The problem is most of SB don’t want to have intimacy on the 1st date. So it some how like an gambling and expecting the girl accept to see us a 2nd time.

Bingo. You sound a little more experienced with SA than some of the other posters here, who see SA as a glorified "help yourself" escort agency. Some attitude adjustments are needed but it's like everything else, some people have to learn things the hard way. I kind of did myself.

Your gambling analogy is on target. There is a safe strategy and a bold strategy. A lot of guys here are wanting to roll the dice. And if they fuck up, it's true the losses are not that bad. You just have to move on to the next girl, and there are a million next girls. But I have in the past blown my chance with some girls using aggressive strategies and they didn't work and I regretted not using a safer and more conservative strategy with them.

The biggest core group of SBs will NOT do intimacy on the first date but WILL on dates 3-5. So with those girls if you push the envelope, you will lose. A smaller group will do intimacy on the first or possibly the second date. And this comes from my experience with 100+ girls dated on that site in 7 plus years.

 

[EagerBeaver]

By the way, I have a social science theory on the younger and more aggressive users of SA. I have had plenty of feedback on them from the girls I have dated on SA who have regaled me with stories about them. These younger users are products of the Apple generation, in which dating websites are now the norm. They did not live and date in the pre Internet days when men had to work for their pussy and earn their pussy. The Apple Generation wants to fast forward through the work and have instant gratification with 3 DMs or less. There is a word for this mentality. It's called laziness. They want to be socially lazy and not develop their skills, not actually see if they are able to achieve a connection with the lady that even lets her suggest intimacy after a few dates. This laziness has in my opinion grown as more and more Apple Generation become 21 years and older and enter the dating world. I don't know what the future holds but I suspect we start seeing SBs post 3 date minimum warnings. And it's all because of the laziness at using traditional dating methodology norms, and instead applying the."all women are escorts" approach that these guys are using. It harms the Sugar Dating industry as a whole.

 

[Dasein]

I had my first very bad experience using SB. Tried my luck with a profile that was a duo of two girls. Profile name: pretty4ngel. "Simple and fun!".

They said they only see guys together, for safety reasons. That they have been best friends forever. The girl I interacted with online seemed very nice, well-spoken. I agreed to meet them at the hotel room. They were cute! Mid-twenties. We chatted for a while, everything seems good but chit-chat was dragging on a bit. As always, I had left the money out on the dresser. I was too naive and trusting After a bit they asked if I smoked, I said no. They said they were going to go for a quick smoke. They left a nécessaire on the dresser (they had already taken the money). Then they left and never came back. Blocked my number and profile, obviously.

After 2 decades of seeing SPs and two years of seeing SBs, this is the first time I have ever been ripped off like this... I felt like a sap. Anyways, I have more information if anyone needs.

 

[donbusch]

The problem is most of SB don’t want to have intimacy on the 1st date. So it some how like an gambling and expecting the girl accept to see us a 2nd time.

Good points by theyellowman & EB, genuinely appreciate your insights.Gambling by paying for 2nd or multiple non-intimate dates might well be worth it especially for the genuinely special ladies. Often, it is the only way to land certain SBs.

For me, it’s one M&G and next should be an intimate date. If the SB wants another M&G or dinner M&G then no problem; I’m glad to bring them out but no payment for that. Overall, this strategy has worked for me. Do I miss out on certain SBs by being aggressive? Well ….. possibly but by not gambling or getting bogged down by an unproductive SR, my net is cast much wider & often rewarded by a bigger catch.

No right or wrong answer here, it’s definitely more reflective of one’s personality.

 

[EagerBeaver]

No right or wrong answer here, it’s definitely more reflective of one’s personality.

I think that's true. I can say as a 7 plus year user of SA I have changed my approach somewhat. I am a little less likely to push the envelope now than I was as a new user. There are various little things I do differently. I should also add, by way of a disclaimer to my posts, that I am one of these guys who "enjoys the hunt", meaning perfecting the craft of building a connection with a lady so it's rather easy to get her to agree to intimacy. I believe that most SBs want to feel some connection- many indicate this in their profiles. What this means is that even though you are older and don't resemble Brad Pitt, they nevertheless still want to feel at ease with you socially and in a conversation. That makes the intimacy decision much easier for them. It's the guys who want to fast forward through that, that fumble the ball away with many women as they are running towards the goal line. I did so myself with one girl in the summer of 2017. I somewhat view that as a turning point in developing the patience necessary to succeed at the SA Dating Game.

But what works for me works for me, and I understand that everyone has to develop their own shtick.

 

[Christian32]

I had my first very bad experience using SB. Tried my luck with a profile that was a duo of two girls. Profile name: pretty4ngel. "Simple and fun!".

They said they only see guys together, for safety reasons. That they have been best friends forever. The girl I interacted with online seemed very nice, well-spoken. I agreed to meet them at the hotel room. They were cute! Mid-twenties. We chatted for a while, everything seems good but chit-chat was dragging on a bit. As always, I had left the money out on the dresser. I was too naive and trusting After a bit they asked if I smoked, I said no. They said they were going to go for a quick smoke. They left a nécessaire on the dresser (they had already taken the money). Then they left and never came back. Blocked my number and profile, obviously.

After 2 decades of seeing SPs and two years of seeing SBs, this is the first time I have ever been ripped off like this... I felt like a sap. Anyways, I have more information if anyone needs.

It is similar to this story:

Pas le choix, même si c'est une vraie honte mon affaire, faut que je la raconte car c'est la 1ère fois en plus de 25 ans d'hobby que je me fais avoir...

Je m'inscris à Seeking pour la 1ère fois. J'ai le goût de changer la routine et essayer autre chose qu'une SP régulière.

Pour faire une histoire courte, je me ramasse dans un Motel populaire de Laval pour rencontrer un duo de filles. Mon instinct me dis que c'est trop beau pour être vraie, mais pareil je suis là à les attendre. Ce Motel nécessite une passe magnétique pour rentrer dans le building des suites.

Finalement le texto rentre, elles viennent d'arriver. Je vais les accueillir. On monte à la chambre, chit chat pour 15 minutes environ. Tout se passe bien. Je donne les $$$. Rendu-là c'est ma queue qui réfléchit et croyez-moi, elle à pris le plein contrôle.

Dans un ballet parfaitement orchestré, celle qui s'appelle Jessica spote mes condoms et dis "ouf je suis allergique au latex, attends j'en ai une autre sorte dans l'auto je vais aller en chercher". En même temps celle qui s'appelle Victoria, se lève et dépose sa sacoche sur le meuble de la télé. "Tu peux la laisser-là, ça va prendre 2 minutes" dis Jessica à sa copine Victoria. "Je viens avec toi car sinon on va commencer à s'amuser et ça sera pas fair pour toi" réponds Victoria à sa complice. "Tu viens avec nous et tu nous attends en bas pour nous réouvrir?" me dis d'une voix cochonne la belle Jessica.

Je m'execute et tel un galant homme, je les accompagnes à la porte et je les regarde marcher jusqu'à leur auto. Je suis aux premières loges pour les voir embarquer dans l'auto et sacrer leur camp du Motel...

Je remonte dans la chambre et bien entendu la sacoche cheap est rempli de rien du tout...

Honnêtement, je me suis tellement trouvé innocent de m'être faire avoir comme une fillette que je la ris encore. Leur téléphone est un burner bien entendu. Et la caméra extérieure de l'accueil n'à pas capté de façon lisible la plaque de l'auto.

Maintenant une petite question aux habitués de ce site. J'ai 3 rencontres de prévues dans les prochains jours avec différentes filles. Une que je rencontre dans un resto-bar (plus vieille, 39 ans). Pour les deux autres (des pétards de 26-27 ans), elles me demandent de leur donner une compensation pour une 1ère rencontre dans un lieu publique (resto-bar aussi). Elles disent que de cette façon-là elles peuvent s'assurer que je suis sérieux et que je ne fais pas qu'essayer de me faire une date un soir avec une pitoune. Est- ce la norme de demander une compensation pour une sortie publique? Étant engagé je ne peux pas recevoir.

You can answer me in English.

I have had 2 girls trying to scam me too but I think seeing that that I was cautious they ghosted me at the last minute.

That said I tried 2 friends at once and it was a bad experience... not a scam as it is what was planned: they come to my place for 1 hour, no sex, 100$ for each. But normally I manage to get more intimacy than asked... not this time, they were kinda encouraging each other do "stay to what was planned", so they just sat and talked for 50 minutes and then it was time for them to go. No more duo for me.

 

[liloudallas]

It is similar to this story:

100% sure it's the same girls.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I did a search on Montreal tonight on Seeking Arrangement. Not really scouting yet but do hope to take a trip when weather gets warmer. Anyway saw a very cute couple of Middle Eastern girls, "Lay and Sav". Not sure why they chose those names for SA handles, but anyway have any of you guys met these girls? They say they are available for parties and they look like the types my friends would want to invite out with us.

Any info can be sent via PM or here as you wish. Thanks.

One other thing I noticed is that I read many black girl profiles which I do here and way more black girls are dyeing their hair blonde in Montreal than here. I am wondering if this is a cultural thing or what?

 

[jim63]

I just started using SA this past week and have two separate girls I’m talking to. I know eagerbeaver will be mad, but I don’t have time for dates and stuff as I am married- so I have been mostly discussing intimacy on the first meet. I’ve only been looking in the 18-24 year old range and it seems about half of the people I’m chatting with are open to the bang on first date, which is nice. Going rates seem to be 400-500$. For What Im asking for, the arrangement is not much different than calling up an agency. However, it’s definitely more exciting to be banging a college student rather than agency girls who just sucked off 5 other guys before seeing me. (No offence to those ladies either if they are reading this. I still love them too)
I will report back soon on how this goes. One of the girls is almost too good to be true- like a beautiful Instagram québécois model. But she verified her pics with a custom video for me. So we’ll see

 

[EagerBeaver]

Jim63,

If you are operating in Montreal, your success rate at one date hookups is likely to be much higher than in the USA, due to cultural and attitudinal differences. I am operating in the USA. So that approach isn't going to work as well as in Montreal, and many girls say in their profiles "no one time hookups", "no hotel meets", "I want to meet in public and see where it goes", "I am not an escort", all of which is code for "don't hookerize me dude."

Because you are in Montreal and because you are married and don't have the time to fuck around, I get your approach. Please report back and let us know if it works.

If anyone else has any intel on "Lay and Sav", let me know.