Given that they're on guard about being treated as escorts, is there careful phrasing of some sort that's necessary when raising the question of money so early in the communication?
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Given that they're on guard about being treated as escorts, is there careful phrasing of some sort that's necessary when raising the question of money so early in the communication?
RP,
I say something like this:
“What do you need for an intro, NSA attached, platonic dinner/lunch/coffee meeting”? Some ladies do not want anything at all for intro meetings. Some do. Anything from $50 to $200 if in fact they ask for something.
I say something like this:
“What do you need for an intro, NSA attached, platonic dinner/lunch/coffee meeting”? Some ladies do not want anything at all for intro meetings. Some do. Anything from $50 to $200 if in fact they ask for something.
So the money negotiation, at the outset, is just for the intro. But I suppose the figure they give for that gives an idea of what they might want down the road.
Yep. This is how you know right off the bat what kind of girl you have on your hands - whether she is a realistic negotiator or a gold digger. As CR and Rumples have stated, most girls will negotiate. But if a girl insists on $300 for an intro date you just move on. It’s very easy to do.
I usually save the discussions and negotiations for intimacy for when we meet in person. However some girls especially the younger ones are very cautious and they will ask what kind of arrangement you want. I usually respond, candidly, that I want an intimate arrangement (which BTW can mean anything from kissing to sexy pics or to a happy ending massage to FS, and I have done all those things), BUT, that I think intro meetings of NSA are necessary to determine whether chemistry and connection exists. Stating this immediately “de-hookerizes” the situation and reassures her that you care about having the right match and that she isn’t being treated like a prostitute.
Like I said, patience and communication skills are important and the guys who have neither strike out on SA, funds or not.
I've only had one girl ask me for something for an intro dinner. She's the one I mentioned a page or so back who took me three days and nearly 100 messages back and forth before she agreed to meet. She asked for a gift. I gave her a very bizarre art book by Luigi Serafini. She was thrilled.
Some girls have also told me they just want a gift, and I usually buy chocolates, because it’s a reliable gift and a low percentage of ladies do not like it.
You are probably correct that Sol does not have the tools to navigate the kind of relationship that I have with S.
You might be, and I'm sure the Beav and Louis Renault enjoy sharing our experiences with you. Sol, on the other hand, gets all lathered up in to a rage of envy when he reads them. That's not my purpose, nor Louis', nor Beav's. None of us have any use for his trolling.
Not a good idea. Apples and Durian. S. and I spend between 10 and 25 hours a week in each others company. At $220 an hour, I'd have been broke long, long ago and living in a cardboard box somewhere.
You clearly are not trolling. But Sol's broken record is the very definition.
Jealous? No. Complained the prices were too high for me, no.
Again, listen carefully. Just my opinion but paying for sex is OK, paying for someone to be with you when you go out ( unless you are from out of town and want a dinner date and sex after ) is wrong ( IMO ).
It would be like paying for a friend, I have friends and make new ones.
You want a night out and sex after, go to a pub and meet people, have a light meal, next hit a strip club, then call an escort.... Unless you have no friends to call or are too awkward to meet people.
EB, you claim I do not treat women right but your entire life goes towards paying women to fuck you and or be with you, just like a possession you buy at a store, she must do as you tell them or they will be returned.
Yup, crusader for women and expert on relationships.
Again, listen carefully. Just my opinion but paying for sex is OK, paying for someone to be with you when you go out ( unless you are from out of town and want a dinner date and sex after ) is wrong ( IMO ).
It would be like paying for a friend, I have friends and make new ones.
You want a night out and sex after, go to a pub and meet people, have a light meal, next hit a strip club, then call an escort.... Unless you have no friends to call or are too awkward to meet people.
EB, you claim I do not treat women right but your entire life goes towards paying women to fuck you and or be with you, just like a possession you buy at a store, she must do as you tell them or they will be returned.
Yup, crusader for women and expert on relationships.
Why do you persist in repeating the same things over and over again when I have stated they are not true? How about that I do it because I like it and I can do it and not because “I have nobody to call” or am “too awkward” to do otherwise? How about I am not attracted to women my own age? You are just posting the same nonsense over and over as if you know something about how I have lived and chosen to live. You don’t. You are just trolling here. Posting the same thing over and over doesn’t make it so. I have plenty of platonic female friends that I don’t fuck or try to. But in my free time I want to do what I want to do. It’s that simple. It’s a voluntary choice by me, not something forced upon me by awkwardness or boredom or inability to find “free” sexual partners. The women my own age don’t interest me. I have no interest in doing other than what I am doing. I have thoroughly described that the chase aspect holds value for me. You don’t seem to understand so I think you kind of should move on.
Hey, Beav, you gotta problem with him blathering on endlessly about something about which he has no knowledge? What a fucking loser. (Him, not you. The only nut he needs to bust is on top of his shoulders. The only life he needs to get is his own.)
Patron,
This is a somewhat patronizing point of view. We are all big boys and have our own internal radar for red flags. I use SA with eyes wide open and I have never said there are no risks. There are. I have ended two arrangements because things started getting asked for that were beyond what had been discussed and agreed to. I don’t buy the emotional traumatization theory because I have told my SBs I don’t care who else they see. You seem to assume that there is some monogamistic element. It’s very easy to tell a SB “I don’t want you to rely exclusively on my assistance and if you ever feel you need to, you can have another SD.” A lot of the so called dangers your robot is calling out are false alarms on red flags that can be otherwise screened and vetted. Sometimes it’s okay to have the Robot from Lost in Soace yelling “Danger!” But it can be rather annoying when he is yelling “it doesn’t compute” or “program assistance needed.”
Regarding the danger calls, we are big boys and know how to handle them. Most women go into this with eyes wide open and their main concern is getting financial assistance. Guys can figure out if and when a financial umbilical cord is developing and if so when to cut it. Women move on on SA much faster than they do from real life relationships. I haven’t seen any “trauma”. As far as older men who are mentally compromised being taken advantage of, do you really believe that applies to anyone in this thread? I mean yeah I am sure it does happen but should we worry about that any more than any garden variety scam of the elderly? Scammers are free to go on SA as they are on MERB or anywhere else. So what? I don’t understand how that matters to this thread.
EB, when I am in disagreement with you it is trolling, when you say I do not treat women right it is not.
My post about the socially awkward was not directed towards you.
My guess is that you need material things to survive, to be in control and that is the reason you buy what is needed by you.
Rump, he just fell in love with a paid for companion, it would be easy to do for some.
This is my last post in this thread...... unless someone makes another false claim towards me. See how long this lasts...
My post about the socially awkward was not directed towards you.
My guess is that you need material things to survive, to be in control and that is the reason you buy what is needed by you.
Rump, he just fell in love with a paid for companion, it would be easy to do for some.
This is my last post in this thread...... unless someone makes another false claim towards me. See how long this lasts...
How long do you think your grandmother would have stayed with your grandad if he cut off support? You mother, your father? What does that make them? (Oh, and that does for mine too. Marriage is, was, and always will be primarily a financial arrangement.)
Thanks be the baby Jeebus. Forty one pages and I have yet to see any "fake news" where your jealous ass is concerned.
STN,
I do not think I ever said specifically you, STN, didn’t treat women right. While I did say that doing 30 minute sessions generally are equivalent to hiring someone be a receptacle for a semen discharge, I do understand that an escort who advertises 30 minute sessions is signing up for that role. I would assume you treat SPs properly. I do not recall any SP ever saying you didn’t, privately or publicly on MERB.
At one of the GG parties years ago I came close to doing a 30 minute session, but I had actually chatted with the lady for an hour at the party for free, such that it would have really been a 1.5 Hour session with 30 minutes private time after 1 Hour social time. However I was beaten out by someone else and after that, I didn’t desire to be sloppy seconds, for some reason.
I do not think I ever said specifically you, STN, didn’t treat women right. While I did say that doing 30 minute sessions generally are equivalent to hiring someone be a receptacle for a semen discharge, I do understand that an escort who advertises 30 minute sessions is signing up for that role. I would assume you treat SPs properly. I do not recall any SP ever saying you didn’t, privately or publicly on MERB.
At one of the GG parties years ago I came close to doing a 30 minute session, but I had actually chatted with the lady for an hour at the party for free, such that it would have really been a 1.5 Hour session with 30 minutes private time after 1 Hour social time. However I was beaten out by someone else and after that, I didn’t desire to be sloppy seconds, for some reason.
Completely agree, though I might add that seeing a young woman for the sole purpose of "busting a nut" has a more than slightly seedy ring to it. As we all know, a gentleman always lets a lady come first.
I have a few married friends on SA who juggle SBs/mistresses. Their main complaint is finding the time to do the requisite messaging to set up dates. As I previously explained SA is a time investment and you need to send out 10-15 messages which ultimately might yield one date. There is also the messaging/flirting process before the date. All a game. But that game requires time that many married, busy professional men don’t have.
The discretion part of it is easy, if you have brains and these guys do. These guys have explained 5 guy trips to Montreal in order to visit with investors and also to stay at EB’s condo in Montreal (which does not now nor never existed). Tell good stories and they get believed. Tell bad ones and they don’t get believed. It’s prety simple and this is where the smart guys win and the dumb guys lose. It does require a certain level of deviousness as well. The ability to tell and embellish stories is essential. I do believe it is a talent. I didn’t like being part of the story/lie, but I had to admit it was novel, admirable, fiendish and on point. Admiration somewhat, although not completely, tempered my anger over being used in a lie to the friend’s wife, whom I like. But I understood that he did what he believed he had to do to get her to buy his story.
The discretion part of it is easy, if you have brains and these guys do. These guys have explained 5 guy trips to Montreal in order to visit with investors and also to stay at EB’s condo in Montreal (which does not now nor never existed). Tell good stories and they get believed. Tell bad ones and they don’t get believed. It’s prety simple and this is where the smart guys win and the dumb guys lose. It does require a certain level of deviousness as well. The ability to tell and embellish stories is essential. I do believe it is a talent. I didn’t like being part of the story/lie, but I had to admit it was novel, admirable, fiendish and on point. Admiration somewhat, although not completely, tempered my anger over being used in a lie to the friend’s wife, whom I like. But I understood that he did what he believed he had to do to get her to buy his story.
Seems like a good time for a post that's been fermenting in my head for a while. As some of you know, I'm in a long term arrangement, over two years now, that I can state without equivocation is the best relationship I've ever had with a woman. (It helps that she's gorgeous, smart, ethical, and the hippie chick of my dreams. She's also 33 y/o. I could never do this with a 20 year old. My sweetie's been around a bit.)
I want to compare my relationship with S. to a traditional marriage.
First the similarities:
1. I provide considerable financial support, as is still the case in most traditional marriages.
2. If the financial support were withdrawn, the relationship would suffer grievous damage. (While she couldn't divorce me for non-support, she could dump me.)
Now the differences:
1. If I want to go for a week long bike ride in Gaspesie with friends, I don't have to ask.
2. If I want to watch a ballgame, I will not be nagged.
3. If I want to see an escort in my home, it's fair game.
4. If I want to have an escort in my home with her joining in the fun, she's all up for it.
5. Our sex never gets old. Twice a week, every week, though she has initiated a third playdate more than once.
6. I could go on, but you get the point.
I want to compare my relationship with S. to a traditional marriage.
First the similarities:
1. I provide considerable financial support, as is still the case in most traditional marriages.
2. If the financial support were withdrawn, the relationship would suffer grievous damage. (While she couldn't divorce me for non-support, she could dump me.)
Now the differences:
1. If I want to go for a week long bike ride in Gaspesie with friends, I don't have to ask.
2. If I want to watch a ballgame, I will not be nagged.
3. If I want to see an escort in my home, it's fair game.
4. If I want to have an escort in my home with her joining in the fun, she's all up for it.
5. Our sex never gets old. Twice a week, every week, though she has initiated a third playdate more than once.
6. I could go on, but you get the point.
They created fake personas and have phones, and other equipment registered in the fake persona's identity. It is not identity theft when the identity you are using is not stolen, but rather a figment of your imagination. When we are in Montreal, I address them using their fake names in all our social activities. It's really no different than what you have seen in James Bond movies where Bond assumes some identity, gets fake IDs and cards etc. to get close to an evil genius's operation. It's actually easy to do and perfectly legal when the identity is not stolen, but created. These guys are just executing on a high level.
It's also foolproof because when any kind of statement shows up and it's not in your name, if the wife somehow sees it, it's easily and very plausibly denied. A phone in someone else's name is not your phone. A statement in someone else's name is not your debt. A bank account not in your name, is not your bank account.
It's now gotten to the point that when we go out socially to bars in CT, their fictional personas are assumed for purposes of all conversations. The fictional personas do not reside in CT, BTW, or so every woman we have met is told.
The issues you mention are basically issues for the less imaginative people in society who don't know how to create a fictional person, or do not try, or cannot execute. The execution part is critical. If a slot receiver in the NFL does not know what route to run on 3rd and short and/or cannot adjust mid route when his QB is blitzed, the QB is going to get sacked. A good slot WR will adjust his route when the blitz is called, catch the ball in space and make a first down. In this game they are playing it's all about adjustments being made during plays in order to get first downs. They move the sticks. You can either move the sticks or not, if not, you do not last in the sport.
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