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J, thanks for sharing your experience. It sounds like you found one great girl, so I would call that a success. :thumb: Your goal should be to find that one (or at most 2 or 3-if you have the time and money) special girl(s) that you would like to spend time (and have sex with) on a regular basis. If you have the budget, you can still see escorts for the sake of variety.
However, I do think your approach was a little too direct. EB and I probably disagree a little on the advisability of being totally upfront and direct with a girl right from the start. I think that an overly directly approach runs the risk of "hookerizing" a girl (to borrow a phrase from EB). In other words, direct discussion of sex and rates before meeting in person makes a girl feel too much like a regular escort. By being too direct up front, I think you can scare away some good candidates. In my approaches with the 3 SA girls that I had sex with (including my current SB), I never discussed sex before meeting in person. And even then I never discussed sex and rates until the initial get-to-know-you meeting was coming to a conclusion. Also, I never paid for get-to-know-you sessions, just for the coffee.
I think some women might appreciate the totally direct approach, but I don't think most women do. They want to meet you in person and evaluate you for safety, personality, looks etc. before they decide whether to have sex with you for money. If you put them on the spot by demanding an answer about sex and rates before you even meet in person, then you are probably eliminating some good potential candidates. Even some of the "hot ones" might have been willing to compromise on rates after they met you in person.
Some guys will object that all this is too much work. OK fine, then stick to escorts. Arrangements are not for everyone. But if you are willing to play the game, then the rewards can be great. Just remember that in the game of sex, women make the rules and their rules can be very different from ours.
Thanks Capt. And yes my goal is to find 2 or 3 that I could alternate for a total of 4 sessions per month. But I do not say that to them. I say I am looking for a regular to see 2-3 times per month
That is completely true. It was actually EB who suggested me to be upfront about the sex part and it was, for me, a very wise advice. I tough about it and decided that I was willing to loose potential candidates but wanted to save time (and yes he did suggested me for a first no allowance coffee meet, but so far I tried my luck even more to try to bypass that). I tough that with a very short and well written first message (with a tinted of humor), a nice public pic where I show I am a jeans/t-shirt kind of guy and a private pic where I am walking on a beach (Just wanted to show although I am close to 50 I kept in relatively good shape, got to play your assets!) would get some returns.
Just yesterday the absolute hot blond one I wanted confirmed she is willing to meet me once, under my term, for a "tryout" haha She knows it will include sex. She wrote she wants to convince me I will higher my allowance after meeting her once
haha I like that! Another one wrote me yesterday to confirm she is ready to meet me on my term. She works 5 minute from my place. That and my beach walking pic was clutch she wrote Yes! Seeing SP via Merb is much easier and will get you much more quick instant rewards.
My problem with SP is that I discovered that I am very bad at handling time. I also have a monthly budget... So I have to stick to 1h session with SP. But 1h is very bad for me. I sog under 15 minute and that's it or I barely make it under the hour with many more times no sog at all. That is why I focused more for repeat 30 minutes wham bam thank you madam session
I am absolutely positive I am not the only one with that problem. Some will say do 2h. I answer no budget for that. Some will say do 2h and see less girl. I have no will for that I decided to try with SA the game of sex like you said. And yes so true to say you got to play under the women's rule. But I do remember the knowledge aquired back in the early 2000 on reseau contact where for 2 years I had great success. I know and understand a bit about women's rule but I also know that when you play your card nicely you can once in a while bend them in your favor.
Cheers,
p.s. (1) One big difference with an SA girl as opposed to an SP is that the SA girl does not text you once she gets to your home. She rings like everyone else
p.s. (2) Do no ask an SA girl if she accept CIM haha (I had to be fucking sharp on my skate to explain why I knew that acronym while at the same time saying to myself what a moron I am!!)
Jalimon it’s not clear from your post if you mean the acronym or the act. SA girls are just like any other women, after you have slept with them and they have gotten comfortable with you they are receptive to different things including for example CIM and DFK. If you mean don’t talk acronyms that we normally use on MERB, I get what you are saying. It’s better to just describe the act.
I did learn one thing on SA that I didn’t learn on MERB, the term “Blasian.” It’s meant to refer to a woman who has both black and Asian ethnicity. When I first saw a lady describe herself on SA as a “Blasian”, I was like, where the fuck is the country of Blasia? I then googled the term and got the Urban dictionary definition.
I recently went on a date with a lady who is part black and part Chinese and I brought up the fact that I actually learned the term “Blasian” on SA. We both laughed our asses off. She was well aware of the term.
As far as the acronym CIM- never saw it used on SA, but have had CIM from a number of ladies I met on SA. One lady I met, I brought up the act rather than shortened acronym, and she said to me, “don’t you want to save something for next time?” There was a woman who knew how to build anticipation for the next date. She was another mixed racial girl, who I met in Montreal. French Canadian, Bajan, and Native American ancestry, but the Native American gave her something of a Blasian look.
I did learn one thing on SA that I didn’t learn on MERB, the term “Blasian.” It’s meant to refer to a woman who has both black and Asian ethnicity. When I first saw a lady describe herself on SA as a “Blasian”, I was like, where the fuck is the country of Blasia? I then googled the term and got the Urban dictionary definition.
I recently went on a date with a lady who is part black and part Chinese and I brought up the fact that I actually learned the term “Blasian” on SA. We both laughed our asses off. She was well aware of the term.
As far as the acronym CIM- never saw it used on SA, but have had CIM from a number of ladies I met on SA. One lady I met, I brought up the act rather than shortened acronym, and she said to me, “don’t you want to save something for next time?” There was a woman who knew how to build anticipation for the next date. She was another mixed racial girl, who I met in Montreal. French Canadian, Bajan, and Native American ancestry, but the Native American gave her something of a Blasian look.
She did not. Not at all. I should have written "I had to be fucking sharp on my skate to describe what is CIM and explain why I knew that acronym".
She had not clue what CIM means. I simply said. Ho it means if I can explode in your mouth. Then I said ok sorry I admit I may have watch a bit of porn in my life... Hence the use of the acrocym cim for cum in mouth...
She just smiled at me and continued the bj. Then she stopped and said "ho by the way I prefer you cum on my boobs". She then ask "Why you don't want to cum in the condom while fucking?" I laughed and said "My god with a hottie like you that would be such a waste!".
Yes EB MUCH better to describe the act. I should and will know from now on.
That girl wrote me back yesterday. She asked what's next. I replied handcuff, blindfold and longest daty/fiv she ever got in her life. Got 3 smiley and some kiss as a reply. Should be fun!
Cheers,
Ok please follow Capt and EB advice in this thread and not mine because I got banned from SA.
It seems my message were to direct and were considered open solicitation for sex.
I do not have the time to meet every girl before reaching a point where a sexual relation will happen. So I guess SA is not for me and I will revert back to SP
At least from my time in SA i got 2 girls who I have seen and are willing to see me again so it's not a total waste!
Cheers,
It seems my message were to direct and were considered open solicitation for sex.
I do not have the time to meet every girl before reaching a point where a sexual relation will happen. So I guess SA is not for me and I will revert back to SP
At least from my time in SA i got 2 girls who I have seen and are willing to see me again so it's not a total waste!
Cheers,
Sorry to hear that, J, but I warned everyone (back in April) about being too direct and explicit in private messages on SA. You negotiate terms outside of SA's site (if you want to text with a girl, then use regular texting, not SA's message system). If you can't deal with that, then SA is not for you.
You should know better with the US enforcement of morality - FOSTA and SESTA. SA has no choice but to ban you otherwise they risk getting shut down. Besides SA is not an escort site. Better you stick with Merb agency/Indys.. Keep in mind the game on SA is very different then escort. The escort experience is what I call the pizza delivery experience. With SA it is more about courting the girl. It is a type of relation a mutually beneficial relation.
In addition to dating a Blasian lady, I also dated 2 Blispanic women. The first was Black and Puerto Rican and the second was Black and Portuguese. The Bluguese woman said to me, on our first date, "I bet you that this is the first time you ever dated someone who is half black and half Portuguese?" And she was right- it was! Interesting thing about her is that although she has dark skin, she really does not have any African features. She looks like Ariana Grande and has the same body type. The other Blispanic girl I dated had African features. The Blasian lady was the most attractive of those 3. What a wonderful mix she is. Try and picture a young Halle Berry with Asian eyes and that is her.
Jalimon- sorry to hear of your ban. You will have to start a new profile- with new email unless they can track your IP address somehow. If you are too direct girls will report you. You have not said whether you were using English or French in your offending postings. There are some English code words that can be used, like intimacy rather than sex. Never use the word sex or any acronyms associated with sex acts as we do here on MERB. SA is not MERB. Captain Renault did post some good advice about saving the details for in person, on any sexual acts and especially compensation for same. However, even in person the way I always frame payments are "allowances" for "dates", not specific payments for specific acts. You talk about the date details in person. The girls use Code as well. One I dated would call it "play", which of course is a vague word that can mean many things. Others say stuff like "private time." You need to know the SA language. The language is different than MERBese.
The critical key to success on SA, which is now just calling itself "Seeking", is communication skills, not money. The only guys who think the key to success on SA is money are the guys who have none. My success rate on SA improved dramatically over the course of time due to learning the lingo through experience. It is a fucking game. Just like the game of football or hockey, the second year player is better than the rookie, and the third year player is better than the second year player, and so on in most cases. I am a 5th year player now in the prime of his career- I have another 5-6 years before I start to get too old and show it. Experience improves you in the game. You make mistakes, do not get dates and learn what works and what doesn't. I recently had my first doubleheader of SA dates in New York City. I saw one lady for lunch on 35th Street at 2 pm, and then met the second at a bar on 36th Street at 5 pm. Both ladies were great and I intend to see both of them again. I was kind of surprised both dates went as well as they did. Both girls offered up an intimate date at the end of the platonic first date and quickly gave me their cell numbers, so now the only question is picking which one is first and when I can actually meet her.
One thing I can share that I think is important and cannot be overstated is behaving like a normal, courteous person and treating a woman with respect. Respect is manifested in how you communicate and whether you are able to express yourself tactfully and gentlemanly while at the same time letting the girl know that intimacy is the end game. There is a large % of the male population which simply cannot do it, from what I hear from my SA dates. They find many men rude, and to me that is code for being too blunt and not taking a slow and steady strategic communication path. I think a lot of guys do not even think strategically, they just open their mouths and spontaneously spew words. My verbiage is always calculated. I go into any date, especially a date to nail down an arrangement, with a plan in my head which includes answers to the likely questions you will be asked. The unprepared hockey player who has no plan of what to do will get sweep-checked and stripped as he rushes the puck up ice. Similarly, guys with no plan on SA do not get past first base.
Jalimon- sorry to hear of your ban. You will have to start a new profile- with new email unless they can track your IP address somehow. If you are too direct girls will report you. You have not said whether you were using English or French in your offending postings. There are some English code words that can be used, like intimacy rather than sex. Never use the word sex or any acronyms associated with sex acts as we do here on MERB. SA is not MERB. Captain Renault did post some good advice about saving the details for in person, on any sexual acts and especially compensation for same. However, even in person the way I always frame payments are "allowances" for "dates", not specific payments for specific acts. You talk about the date details in person. The girls use Code as well. One I dated would call it "play", which of course is a vague word that can mean many things. Others say stuff like "private time." You need to know the SA language. The language is different than MERBese.
The critical key to success on SA, which is now just calling itself "Seeking", is communication skills, not money. The only guys who think the key to success on SA is money are the guys who have none. My success rate on SA improved dramatically over the course of time due to learning the lingo through experience. It is a fucking game. Just like the game of football or hockey, the second year player is better than the rookie, and the third year player is better than the second year player, and so on in most cases. I am a 5th year player now in the prime of his career- I have another 5-6 years before I start to get too old and show it. Experience improves you in the game. You make mistakes, do not get dates and learn what works and what doesn't. I recently had my first doubleheader of SA dates in New York City. I saw one lady for lunch on 35th Street at 2 pm, and then met the second at a bar on 36th Street at 5 pm. Both ladies were great and I intend to see both of them again. I was kind of surprised both dates went as well as they did. Both girls offered up an intimate date at the end of the platonic first date and quickly gave me their cell numbers, so now the only question is picking which one is first and when I can actually meet her.
One thing I can share that I think is important and cannot be overstated is behaving like a normal, courteous person and treating a woman with respect. Respect is manifested in how you communicate and whether you are able to express yourself tactfully and gentlemanly while at the same time letting the girl know that intimacy is the end game. There is a large % of the male population which simply cannot do it, from what I hear from my SA dates. They find many men rude, and to me that is code for being too blunt and not taking a slow and steady strategic communication path. I think a lot of guys do not even think strategically, they just open their mouths and spontaneously spew words. My verbiage is always calculated. I go into any date, especially a date to nail down an arrangement, with a plan in my head which includes answers to the likely questions you will be asked. The unprepared hockey player who has no plan of what to do will get sweep-checked and stripped as he rushes the puck up ice. Similarly, guys with no plan on SA do not get past first base.
Ok this week I saw both girl that I had met while on my short stint on SA.
First one Thursday. A quick lunch session with the first one who may have about 15lbs too much but she's nasty (I see her as the kind of girl I would hook up with at club closing time when I was in my 20's because she, like myself, had not yet found anyone ). She is clearly not an escort and has never been but at 22 she's discovering how good sex can be Both time I saw her she ask me to make sure I finish in her mouth so she can enjoy and swallow it all. She makes me feel 20 years longer
Second one yesterday. My god she is so beautiful. Very few sp could match her facial beauty (ok except Jaime of xo..). Body I love but she would not cut it as an sp with you bunch of spinner pervert haha
Had a 2h session yesterday which was absolutely great but still missing some nastiness to it
Best of it is the $ they ask. It's much less then sp.. I do think this is because these girls are north shore girl. In downtown Montreal not sure I would get such low allowance..
I am questioning if I am ready to go back in a few weeks on SA. EB just very clearly wrote how you need to play the game. Not sure I am willing to spend so much time. And clearly there is no way I will have a first meet with every potential girl. No time for that. But on the other side it's so fucking easy. I had so many prospect lined up in such little time!!
If I did not bored you enough so far, stay tuned
Cheers,
First one Thursday. A quick lunch session with the first one who may have about 15lbs too much but she's nasty (I see her as the kind of girl I would hook up with at club closing time when I was in my 20's because she, like myself, had not yet found anyone
). She is clearly not an escort and has never been but at 22 she's discovering how good sex can be Both time I saw her she ask me to make sure I finish in her mouth so she can enjoy and swallow it all. She makes me feel 20 years longer Second one yesterday. My god she is so beautiful. Very few sp could match her facial beauty (ok except Jaime of xo..). Body I love but she would not cut it as an sp with you bunch of spinner pervert haha
Had a 2h session yesterday which was absolutely great but still missing some nastiness to it
Best of it is the $ they ask. It's much less then sp.. I do think this is because these girls are north shore girl. In downtown Montreal not sure I would get such low allowance..
I am questioning if I am ready to go back in a few weeks on SA. EB just very clearly wrote how you need to play the game. Not sure I am willing to spend so much time. And clearly there is no way I will have a first meet with every potential girl. No time for that. But on the other side it's so fucking easy. I had so many prospect lined up in such little time!!
If I did not bored you enough so far, stay tuned
Cheers,
If you play by the rules, are not aggressively ugly or look old as Methusaleh, it is incomprehensibly easy. The hard part is what you mentioned: Time investment. The SA game requires patience and impatient Blue balls types don’t do well there. Also, the platonic first meet is important because it completely eliminates the girl feeling like an escort. At the end of the day it’s money for sex, we all know that, but the ladies see it differently and if you do the platonic first meet they see it as a sign of respect and gentlemanhood. Also gives them the chance to weed out the various sociopaths and psychopaths on site.
Even before you get to the point of meeting a girl for a get-to-know-you session, you can eliminate a lot of candidates by exchanging some private messages within the SA site. Of course, you have to be careful not to solicit them for sexual services during the exchange of messages.
But some guys find it hard to resist treating SA as if it were an escort advertising site. It's not.
But some guys find it hard to resist treating SA as if it were an escort advertising site. It's not.
This story demonstrates that sugar daddy sites may not carefully check the age of each woman on the site. The site involved in this case is not nearly as well known as Seekingarrangement.com, but I wouldn't assume that SA does a better job of checking the ages of its sugar babies.
It would not be a good thing for the "sugar" industry if underage girls start showing up on these sites. That would be a sure way to bring down the wrath upon them of the anti-prostitution feminists and religious zealots.
3-D gun entrepreneur Cody Wilson accused of paying for sex with underage girl, authorities say
Cody Wilson, director of Defense Distributed, at a restaurant in Austin on Aug. 5, 2018.
wpost.com
By Lindsey Bever
September 19
Cody Wilson, a 3-D gunmaker who has become embroiled in a national debate about “downloadable” firearms, has been accused of sexually assaulting a teenage girl, according to court documents.
Authorities said Wilson, 30, paid the teenager $500 for sex in a hotel last month in Austin after the two met on a dating website, according to an arrest warrant affidavit that was filed Wednesday in district court in Travis County, Tex. Wilson faces a charge of sexual assault, a second-degree felony, according to the court documents.
A spokeswoman with the Austin Police Department said Wilson has not been arrested. It is unclear why authorities are charging him with sexual assault and whether he has an attorney.
The court documents state that the teenager, who authorities said is younger than 17, told police that the two met on SugarDaddyMeet.com and that she started exchanging messages with Wilson.
The teen told investigators that Wilson used the username “Sanjuro” but that, during the conversation, he gave her his full name and told her he was a “big deal.” She said she did not know who he was until she looked him up online, according to court records.
The teen told investigators that the two met in person Aug. 15 at a coffee shop and then drove to the Archer Hotel in north Austin, the court records state. Surveillance footage showed the two walking through the hotel about 8:30 p.m., according to the court records. Once inside the hotel room, the teen told police, “she and Wilson engaged in sexual intercourse and oral sex on the hotel room’s bed.”
The teenager said Wilson then gave her five $100 bills, according to the court records.
About 10 p.m., Wilson drove to a Whataburger, authorities said.
Over the past few months, Wilson has made national headlines amid a heated debate about 3-D-printed firearms. His company, Defense Distributed, has been entangled in an ongoing legal battle...
It's not clear from that story how the cops got involved. Did the girl's parents complain? If she was under age 17 there may be an age of consent issue under Texas law, hence the reason for the sexual assault charge -because the underaged minor cannot consent under the law.
I assume the girl likely posted she was 18, but you gotta be careful. Buyer beware!
I assume the girl likely posted she was 18, but you gotta be careful. Buyer beware!
Another story* that I read said she reported it to a "counselor.," who must have then reported it to the police. The girl had his real name so she must have told the police when they interviewed her.
The guy made a huge mistake to get involved with an underage girl. It's wrong in and of itself but it's also a very dumb and dangerous thing to do. He probably thought he was safe because she was listed on the site.
But a site like that simply can't vet all its members in the same fashion that a Montreal escort agency could. And as we know, agencies have themselves been fooled occasionally in the past. Though I think they're pretty strict these days because they know that a single case of an underage girl could put them out of business immediately.
*https://www.statesman.com/news/brea...es-sex-assault-charge/AnteUx5fI7LpNg6yg0Z1JN/
Austin police are working with international authorities to bring Cody Wilson, an Austin man at the center of a debate about 3D-printed guns, back to the country from Taiwan to face a sexual assault charge filed in Travis County on Wednesday.
Wilson’s last known location was the Taiwanese capital of Taipei, Austin police Cmdr. Troy Officer said.
Wilson missed a scheduled flight back to the United States and is thought to have left the country after a friend of the 16-year-old sexual assault victim told him that police were investigating him, Officer said.
Police do not know why Wilson went to Taiwan, only that he frequently travels there for business, Officer said.
Wilson has been entered into a national law enforcement computer for sexual assault of a child, Officer said.
Earlier: Cody Wilson, an Austin man whose fight over 3D-printed guns thrust him into the national spotlight, faces a charge of sexual assault, according to an arrest affidavit filed in Travis County district court on Wednesday.
The affidavit said a counselor called Austin police on Aug. 22 to report that a girl under the age of 17 told her she had sex with a 30-year-old man on Aug. 15 and was paid $500.
In a forensic interview on Aug. 27, the girl told authorities that she created an account on SugarDaddyMeet.com, and began exchanging messages with a man who used the username “Sanjuro,” the affidavit said.
The pair messaged online, then began exchanging text messages.
“During this conversation, ‘Sanjuro’ identified himself as ‘Cody Wilson.’ Victim said that ‘Sanjuro’ described himself to the victim as a ‘big deal,’ ” the affidavit said.
That’s why he got charged with sexual assault. The minor was incapable of consenting under the law. Hence he violated her. Pussy is off limits until it’s 17 in Texas.
There are so many girls on SA that the experience varies widely. When you cut right to the chase like you have you are going to get the more mercenary ladies. Patience is a virtue on SA. If you are not willing to play the game, stick to escorts.
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