MASS SHOOTING/USA

[EagerBeaver]

This gentleman reports that the massacre was good for business, and the reality is these mass shootings actually spawn gun sales to people seeking protection from would be mass shooters:

Maine shooting: 'We sold 28 guns yesterday' says shop owner

Gun shop owner says after the mass shooting in Lewiston he saw an increase in gun purchases.

www.bbc.com

As he noted, the people buying guns from him are those who never previously had any. They are protecting themselves and their family. So I think we will be seeing a spike in gun sales. And eventually, one of these new gun owners will have a screw come loose in his head, there will be another mass shooting, and then more gun sales. And the cycle will keep repeating over and over. The sad truth is if it's just you against the mass shooter in a bowling alley, restaurant, or your own home, one on one or mano a mano, you need a gun to put him down, or you will just be another statistical victim.

 

[Fradi]

I never said that all guns in America are exclusively owned by Republicans. You made that bullshit up.

However it is true that the states with the highest gun ownership rates are all red republican dominated states. Montana, Wyoming, West Virginia, Idaho, Alaska, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Mississippi, North Dakota and Alabama top the list. About one third of US adults owns at least one gun. Republicans and Republican leaning independents are twice as likely to own a gun than Democrats and Democrat leaning independents. These are facts not opinions.

In order for Democrats to legislate meaningful gun safety laws, and overcome Republican obstruction, they need to control the majority of the House, 60 seats in the 100 seat Senate ( because of the filibuster rule ), and the White House. Obtaining that kind of majority is unheard of in today's deeply divided America. You and I have been over this before, just recently in fact, so you might want to pay closer attention or take notes.

How many times do you need this repeated to you.
You are all Americans Democrats and Republicans instead of this constant blaming each other you alone are the only ones that can make this stop.
Unfortunately your love of guns and ingrained belief that it will protect you is the roadblock to stopping this madness that will never end as even the constant slaughter of innocent people just puts more guns in peoples hands thinking it will protect them and sales of them keep rising.
All you are saying is that as a country you do not have enough people that are smart enough to demand their politicians put a stop to it which is the sad truth but it feels good to blame someone else.

You want me to take notes perhaps you and all Americans should take notes from other countries like Canada who are no where near as fucked up and can walk the streets in relative safety and can take their kids to a night of bowling without winding up dead.
Yes we have gun violence here also but no where near what is going on in the US.

 

[Womaniser]

This gentleman reports that the massacre was good for business, and the reality is these mass shootings actually spawn gun sales to people seeking protection from would be mass shooters:

Maine shooting: 'We sold 28 guns yesterday' says shop owner

Gun shop owner says after the mass shooting in Lewiston he saw an increase in gun purchases.

www.bbc.com

As he noted, the people buying guns from him are those who never previously had any. They are protecting themselves and their family. So I think we will be seeing a spike in gun sales. And eventually, one of these new gun owners will have a screw come loose in his head, there will be another mass shooting, and then more gun sales. And the cycle will keep repeating over and over. The sad truth is if it's just you against the mass shooter in a bowling alley, restaurant, or your own home, one on one or mano a mano, you need a gun to put him down, or you will just be another statistical victim.

You are right, the answer is not more guns. How many lives would have been spared if every adult would have had a pistol easily accessible.
Would they be trained enough to use it efficiently against a trained shooter armed with an assault rifle with plenty of high capacity magizines and wearing a bulletproof vest ?

 

[Jazzman1218]

How many times do you need this repeated to you.
You are all Americans Democrats and Republicans instead of this constant blaming each other you alone are the only ones that can make this stop.
Unfortunately your love of guns and ingrained belief that it will protect you is the roadblock to stopping this madness that will never end as even the constant slaughter of innocent people just puts more guns in peoples hands thinking it will protect them and sales of them keep rising.
All you are saying is that as a country you do not have enough people that are smart enough to demand their politicians put a stop to it which is the sad truth but it feels good to blame someone else.

You want me to take notes perhaps you and all Americans should take notes from other countries like Canada who are no where near as fucked up and can walk the streets in relative safety and can take their kids to a night of bowling without winding up dead.
Yes we have gun violence here also but no where near what is going on in the US.

You don't need to continue to repeat yourself. I take your point. Please take mine. Yes, Democrats and Republicans are all Americans. And yes there are an obscene amount of guns in America and the resultant gun violence is predictable and unrelenting. But it's more nuanced than it's simply an 'American problem'.

The reason America got this way, and is incapable of correcting course, goes beyond the inartfully worded 2nd amendment and the gun culture in rural America.

Only one segment of Americans - conservative Republicans - are 1) fed a steady diet of fear and hate by right-wing politicians and media, 2) own the vast majority of guns in America, and 3) are represented by craven politicians who are funded by the greedy gun lobby and consequently refuse to enact gun safety legislation.

Yes, guns and gun violence are an American problem. It's a problem Democrat Americans try to address but Republican Americans decline.

 

[Fradi]

You don't need to continue to repeat yourself. I take your point. Please take mine. Yes, Democrats and Republicans are all Americans. And yes there are an obscene amount of guns in America and the resultant gun violence is predictable and unrelenting. But it's more nuanced than it's simply an American problem.

The reason America got this way and is incapable of correcting course goes beyond the inartfully worded 2nd amendment and the gun culture in rural America.

Only one segment of Americans - conservative Republicans - are 1) fed a steady diet of fear and hate by right-wing politicians and media, 2) own the vast majority of guns in America, and 3) are represented by craven politicians who are funded by the greedy gun lobby and consequently refuse to enact gun safety legislation.

Yes, guns and gun violence are an American problem. It's a problem Democrat Americans try to address but Republican Americans decline.

I also get what you are saying and yes a lot of it is true but this never ending blame the other party achieves nothing except in further dividing Americans.
Unfortunately it will take new generations with a completely different mind set to even make a dent in this senseless violence.
I feel sorry for the average citizen who doesn’t feel safe going out in public or even in his own home and while I am lucky enough to live in Canada where it is a lot safer it does effect me as I have one third of my family living in the US and I do fear for their safety.

If it was up to me I would ban all guns in the hands of private citizens they only serve one purpose and that is to kill people.
That will probably never happen but to not ban military type automatic weapons that I will never understand.

 

[Womaniser]

I also get what you are saying and yes a lot of it is true but this never ending blame the other party achieves nothing except in further dividing Americans.
Unfortunately it will take new generations with a completely different mind set to even make a dent in this senseless violence.
I feel sorry for the average citizen who doesn’t feel safe going out in public or even in his own home and while I am lucky enough to live in Canada where it is a lot safer it does effect me as I have one third of my family living in the US and I do fear for their safety.

If it was up to me I would ban all guns in the hands of private citizens they only serve one purpose and that is to kill people.
That will probably never happen but to not ban military type automatic weapons that I will never understand.

Hunting firearms have been used in Canada to hunt game for food for a long time and for protection against attacks by bears mostly.
Assault rifles are not needed for that purpose.
Why USA governments have and still authorized their possesion by civil population ?
The answer is their crooked interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Jazzman1218]

I also get what you are saying and yes a lot of it is true but this never ending blame the other party achieves nothing except in further dividing Americans.
Unfortunately it will take new generations with a completely different mind set to even make a dent in this senseless violence.
I feel sorry for the average citizen who doesn’t feel safe going out in public or even in his own home and while I am lucky enough to live in Canada where it is a lot safer it does effect me as I have one third of my family living in the US and I do fear for their safety.

If it was up to me I would ban all guns in the hands of private citizens they only serve one purpose and that is to kill people.
That will probably never happen but to not ban military type automatic weapons that I will never understand.

I also get what you are saying and yes a lot of it is true but this never ending blame the other party achieves nothing except in further dividing Americans.
Unfortunately it will take new generations with a completely different mind set to even make a dent in this senseless violence.
I feel sorry for the average citizen who doesn’t feel safe going out in public or even in his own home and while I am lucky enough to live in Canada where it is a lot safer it does effect me as I have one third of my family living in the US and I do fear for their safety.

If it was up to me I would ban all guns in the hands of private citizens they only serve one purpose and that is to kill people.
That will probably never happen but to not ban military type automatic weapons that I will never understand.

I understand. However It's one thing to project and/or blame someone else gratuitously. That's wrong. It's another thing to call out someone else for exactly what they are doing. That's accountability and responsibility.

We share a loathing of guns. I am ashamed to acknowledge that America is a dangerous country because of guns and hate. I hope your family members stay safe here.

 

[Fradi]

Hunting firearms have been used in Canada to hunt game for food for a long time and for protection against attacks by bears mostly.
Assault rifles are not needed for that purpose.
Why USA governments have and still authorized their possesion by civil population ?
The answer is their crooked interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

I agree with you and hunting rifles are not the problem I would agree that most hunters especially in Canada have to go through training and registration and are responsible and law abiding people. I have friends that I have gone with, while they were hunting I was fishing I refuse to have anything to do with guns.

As far as the US I will stick with not enough of the population wants change bad enough to force their crooked politicians to do it I won’t go into which party they belong to as they are all Americans and when these Innocent people are getting killed nobody is asking them which party they belong to.

 

[Jazzman1218]

If an unprovoked shooting of three innocent Arab college students can happen in Burlington, Vermont it can happen anywhere.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Shooting at UNLV! Home of the Running Rebels!

UNLV shooting: Former college professor accused of killing three on Las Vegas campus

The gunman was killed by police after opening fire at the Las Vegas campus of the University of Nevada.

www.bbc.com

 

[Jazzman1218]

Six killed in Texas shooting rampage. A 34 year old man has been arrested. The beat goes on in gun crazy America.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Turns out the UNLV perp was actually a professor whose job application was rejected by UNLV. He had worked at East Carolina and North Carolina which are better schools and must have figured, "fuck UNLV."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/authorities-responding-reports-multiple-victims-201320923.html
Just a lot of people acting out now when a job situation doesn't pan out. You just don't want to be around when they act out, it's a always a "wrong place at the wrong time" situation, just like all those Israelis who were shot at the music festival.

 

[CaptRenault]

The individual in today’s Iowa school shooting was trans. Seems to be a trend for trans people to commit mass shootings.

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[Womaniser]

The individual in today’s Iowa school shooting was trans. Seems to be a trend for trans people to commit mass shootings.

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I didn't know he was trans but he looked very special !
Most mass shooters are white men. Probably because they compose the majority of the population and possess the majority of of firearms along with black gangs members.

 

[Womaniser]

I didn't know he was trans but he looked very special !
Most mass shooters are white men. Probably because they compose the majority of the population and possess the majority of of firearms along with black gangs members.

As usual, for the Republicans, mini-Trump Ramaswamy didn't talk about firearm role in the shooting but talked about praying.

 

[EagerBeaver]

There is a saying that "when in Rome, do as the Romans do." I think Confucius said that, but if we apply the same reasoning to the Bible Belt/Gun Belt states, you have two options. You can be a pacificist and carry no weapons, so that when the mass shooting breaks out you will be one of the dead victims, or you can concealed carry, and when the mass shooting breaks out you can respond with overwhelming firepower, like this guy once did:

That's it. There are no other options. I think you all know which category the latest victims were in.

 

[Womaniser]

There is a saying that "when in Rome, do as the Romans do." I think Confucius said that, but if we apply the same reasoning to the Bible Belt/Gun Belt states, you have two options. You can be a pacificist and carry no weapons, so that when the mass shooting breaks out you will be one of the dead victims, or you can concealed carry, and when the mass shooting breaks out you can respond with overwhelming firepower, like this guy once did:

That's it. There are no other options. I think you all know which category the latest victims were in.

So students in elementary schools should carry weapons ?
And peoples in bowling alleys carry AR-15 ? It could be bothersome ! I played bowling and it could be bothersome too.
I played golf, it could be possible to have an AR-15 in your clubs bag, but in sand traps and on the greens, not as easy !

 

[EagerBeaver]

So students in elementary schools should carry weapons ?

No, the adults in the elementary schools who can conceal carry should do so and be able to stop the school mass shooter if that person gets past school security. Regarding the bowling alley, it's very easy for the bowling alley owner to have an AR-15 mounted under the counter and respond in Rambo fashion if someone gets into his bowling alley. In fact, many bowling alley owners in Texas probably do have defensive weapons. You are unlikely to see a Texas bowling alley shooting go very far before the shooter is sprayed with bullets and granted his or her suicide wish. All
or most of these mass shootings end in a suicide by the shooter, so the key is to grant the suicide wish before others get shot. Probably much easier to get done in a Texas bowling alley.

 

[wetnose]

The butcher's bill for 2023:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2023

731 killed, 2,040 injured in a total of 598 shootings

 

[Sean007]

Its funny (not laughing about it though) how the most permissive country in the modern world on the purchase and ownership/carrying of firearms has the highest (by a huge margin) death count in proportion to population…. Just carrying a firearm to prevent or stop a mass shooting is useless without significantand continuous training. Ask any police an
gent or SWAT agent…. Using a gun in a high stress situation is unlikely to get anything useful done…. There were a number of real life tests conducted on this and even in controlled situations the average Joe was useless with a gun, or worse hurting themselves in the process…