Money change before or after the service

[Obvio-0bvio]

Does it irritate you when the lady suddenly does it have change and you are required to leave a 50-60$ tip? It almost appears that they do it on purpose to avoid change. Don't get me wrong. I'm a big tipper, but I like to do it on my own terms, not hers, because she's put you in a position where you're obligated for her not to give you any change. It always happens to me, which I don't mind, but not in this way. Does this ever happen to you?

 

[Gazoo64]

Does this ever happen to you?

No because I give the envelope with the exact amount at the beginning. If the lady was pleasant, the service was good and it was a nice encounter, I’ll give a tip at the end.
This is usually the case with the ladies that I repeat with!

 

[Obvio-0bvio]

No because I give the envelope with the exact amount at the beginning. If the lady was pleasant, the service was good and it was a nice encounter, I’ll give a tip at the end.
This is usually the case with the ladies that I repeat with!

I think I will start doing that. Once I’m home, I hate to go out of my way just to make change. At least my money is going for a good cause. I keep the envelope idea in mind.

 

[CaptRenault]

Does it irritate you when the lady suddenly does it have change and you are required to leave a 50-60$ tip? ...It always happens to me...

Why do you always have nothing but $100's? Just ask for some $20s when you go to the bank or ATM. How hard is that?

 

[Obvio-0bvio]

Why do you always have nothing but $100's? Just ask for some $20s when you go to the bank or ATM. How hard is that?

Because I'm spontaneous. I don't make decisions hours and days in advance. I do it whenever I feel like it. I hate 20-dollar bills. Anyway, that's fine with me. As I mentioned in my previous post, it's for a good cause, and these ladies deserve it. I probably waste the change on stupid things.

 

[Toto beefcake]

Why do you always have nothing but $100's? Just ask for some $20s when you go to the bank or ATM. How hard is that?

Bah some people like to do a show to lol. Carrying 100s gives off implications. That they wanna make seem their someone they arent. Wont assume it in this case but whether you go to bars clubs etc its always the case. Some guys are legit majority are wannabes

 

[Obvio-0bvio]

Bah some people like to do a show to lol. Carrying 100s gives off implications. That they wanna make seem their someone they arent. Wont assume it in this case but whether you go to bars clubs etc its always the case. Some guys are legit majority are wannabes

Showing a Sp a stack of hundreds or attempting to show off with a stack of hundreds is not a good idea in my opinion. I do it because carrying 2000$ in hundreds is easier than carrying 2000$ in twenties. Pure logic, my friend. I'm not twenty years old.I'm pretty sure your intention wasn't to toward me, so I'm responding politely by explaining why I carry hundreds of dollars rather than twenty dollars.

 

[Numerati]

Before the encounter I put the amount into envelope. Count it two to three times to make sure. First encounter though I never left a tip because all my first encounters are for two hours. Second/Third encounter never left a tip either because it is a dinner engagement.

Maybe if I ever return to the hobby and did a one hour and a tip will be thought about? Don’t know. One of those moments of if it gets to that point.

 

[Toto beefcake]

Showing a Sp a stack of hundreds or attempting to show off with a stack of hundreds is not a good idea in my opinion. I do it because carrying 2000$ in hundreds is easier than carrying 2000$ in twenties. Pure logic, my friend. I'm not twenty years old.I'm pretty sure your intention wasn't to toward me, so I'm responding politely by explaining why I carry hundreds of dollars rather than twenty dollars.

You are right it wasnt intended to you hence why I said not assuming it in this case.

on a side not dont kid yourself, people in their 40s 50s 30s are just as bad when it comes to showing off. Ive seen it multiple times.

 

[TheJames101]

who asks for change lol? Just bring the right amount to begin with (and a little extra if you think you might need it)

 

[AHarper]

That depends.....I guess if its your first time with a new service provider, paying before might be considered wise.I have been seeing a certain service provider for a few years now and a level of trust has been established. When everything is said and done.....while she freshens up in the shower....I discreetly insert payment under her phone.To me it seems a classier way of paying than just throwing the money on the table.I have found that building a "relationship" with a service provider is a sure fire way of getting the best service.

 

[Numerati]

You know what folks? Pay the donation in nickels and dimes and you will not have an issue. Imagine she is hauling a chest full of coins to the elevator in those sexy heels.

 

[Brolaf]

An SP isn’t a retail store, they don’t have any obligation to provide change if you didn’t plan ahead and have the correct denominations.

 

[Anong]

I am always equipped from 25 cent to 100 dollars bill. So exact change is not a problem for me. Massage or SPs I give bigger bills to facilitate them to carry easily.
As an example I go for massage and donation is $120/- but I know the service is always good, I give a bill of 100 and 50. Tough I have the exact change.

 

[urquell]

Well, I was OM'd again and also invited to take what was a small portion of the conversation on telephones and discuss it elsewhere. So, here I am. The last of my 3 rules is quite simply that I don't pay in advance of the session. I pay at the end. If I can't do that then I don't book (or leave with someone if I'm outside of North America) . I was promptly told that this was unrealistic and given several reasons why this is the case, none of which hold water for me since I have absolutely no problem at all getting services anywhere in the world while observing this rule. So, the girls have mentioned that this undercuts their security, which by the way I totally agree with, since it absolutely does, but then if I pay in advance then it undercuts my security, and if I'm weighing the two then guess which one wins? So, what I heartily expect is that the SPs who respond to this thread will give lengthy lists of reasons of why this attitude is bad. I know that anyone who has mongered for any length of time internationally will accept this attitude as absolute gospel. What I'm not sure of is how the gentlemen who hobby only in Canada/North America feel about it and whether they have an inclination one way or the other. Thoughts?

 

[Rebaynia]

Well my points were already stated, how it is a dangerous situation for her... and everyone is within their right to function as they see fit.

Everyone on both sides of this business has had good and bad expieriences. I will be the first to admit I have trust issues with just about everyone, not just people I have come accross in this business.

I have only met 2 people in my life who I have honestly trusted without questioning what the catch is. And neither is even my own parent.

Everyone has their preferences. But will also add agencies also have their protections to ensure they get what they are asking for.

You are entitled to your rules. As she is entitled to hers.

 

[Fradi]

For me this is a very easy question to answer.
I always pay right at the beginning for a number of reasons.
Primarily I want to put her at ease that she is with someone who respects her and I want her to feel safe and not have to worry about payment.
The other is that I actually walked out once on my ATF all the way to the parking lot when I realized I still had the envelope in my pocket. She laughed when I went back as we know each other for a long time and she knows I would never not pay her.
Of course I do my homework and only see Merb advertising Indies so I have never had an issue.
Seeing as for a while now I have been seeing mostly one lady who I am friends with this is a non issue, but I always do it within minutes of meeting her just before opening the wine to make sure I don’t forget,

 

[Halloween Mike]

In the old days the way was paying at the end but these days were very different. Agencies for instance mostly operated at night, from 8 to 2/3am. Lot of drunk/high girls and it was more common to have issues.

Ar some point i was asked for the money upfront with an agency girl so i started to put it under the phone in my hotel room.This was mid 2010s i think.

Since i started doing incalls, its mostly been at the end again but the agencies know me so i think they "brief" the girls accordingly. Last time tough i had 2 envelopes. One for meeting one for Comicon so i made a joke at the start because i had written her name on it so i made sure to not give her my comicon one (wich was about double as her rates lol). Reason i had CC money in envelope was it felt safer paying in store or subway with minimal cash in wallet.

 

[NatashaSnow]

How is paying upfront undercutting your security? I mean, upon arrival, not before. She’s already there in person in front of you and so your odds of not getting service are very slim (unless you behave like a douche canoe) whereas she has absolutely no idea If you even have the money or not. so her odds of being scammed are exponentially higher than yours. Malice aside, let’s consider forgotten envelopes, rate misunderstanding and the likes all could be non malicious reasons to the girl not being paid which is eliminated by paying upon arrival.

can you imagine how any dude with any sort of tiny complaint would try and negotiate after the fact, withhold part or all of the payment etc if we allowed this?

 

[NatashaSnow]

« Oh here let me get you change and show you exactly where I keep my money and potentially how much I have in there too » said no SP ever.

Personally I don’t carry any cash on me whether in or outcall ever.

Also, do know that the moment you ask for change you instantly lose likeability points.