I always have tipped and why, because some female less than half my age is having sex with me. This may change though with the increased YMMV with escorts.
OK, so not really an ethics thing, but a social practice. thanks.As mentionned before, to put her at ease
Where did you ever get that impression? I actually wasn't really asking what the ladies thought, although I welcome the input. I stated in my OP what I expected the answer from them to be, and that's exactly what I got. I was pretty much asking the guys where their conventions came from and what their practices are a gauge in the difference of monger culture. Rebaynia had mentioned that part of her "upbringing" within the profession was to collect up front, period. I'm going to go on a limb and say that she probably has been based in NA for the whole time. She can correct me if I'm wrong.If you have to ask after the explanations coming from the ladies in your thread and other threads on the same subject; I don't think it's worth his time to elaborate.
Just be honest and say it...." I have my way and I don't want to change"
OK, so not really an ethics thing, but a social practice. thanks.
Where did you ever get that impression? I actually wasn't really asking what the ladies thought, although I welcome the input. I stated in my OP what I expected the answer from them to be, and that's exactly what I got. I was pretty much asking the guys where their conventions came from and what their practices are a gauge in the difference of monger culture. Rebaynia had mentioned that part of her "upbringing" within the profession was to collect up front, period. I'm going to go on a limb and say that she probably has been based in NA for the whole time. She can correct me if I'm wrong.
As for me, most of what has been instilled into me has come from my experience internationally, and it's a different kettle of fish. I'm going to say this without any intention to offend, and the people here shouldn't take it that way, because I'm talking about a different location and cultural space, but what was instilled into me in my time within the hobby is that you never, ever pay first, and that the guys who do are either newbies or gullible fools. I will state once again that I am specifically not referring to the Montreal mongering crowd. What was instilled into me has stayed with me though, and my practice is continue as I have always done elsewhere. It has never been an impediment to my getting service.
I asked KingRonSanders what he thought because he introduced the question of ethics into the discussion, something I've never heard brought up in this context before, and I was interested in the reply (Thanks Ron). I'm also interested in why there's such a wide disparity in practices here and elsewhere, and to gain some new perspective. So, hopefully that explains things a bit to you, and others, about why I'm asking.
“the people here shouldn't take it that way, because I'm talking about a different location and cultural space” - Exactly. So if you prefer those practices, practice them over there.
Also where is “elsewhere”? Because the only way this is relevant would be if you were talking about a remotely comparable place such as the USA which is impossible because they’re insanely stricter there. So by elsewhere with such practices, one can assume we’re talking about typical cheap sex countries, but hey, what do I know.
It just looks like to avoid haveing a girl make her way to you and walk away, because of how you have your rules set. When planning the booking, it will likely be benificial for both of you, not to loose time or gas, by bringing it up before it is waisted on showing up to the meeting. To be sure she is on board with your rules. It also gives her a chance to accept, or refuse servicing you, if she isn't comfortable with your way of doing things. Everyone is entitled to do things the way they want, and are comfortable. You included.I do prefer those practices, and those places, and I do practice them there whenever I get the opportunity. However, I live here at the moment and I'm trying to come to some mental accommodations about the expectations of people here. I'm not attacking anyone here or asking anyone to change anything they're doing, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to show me so much hostility. I'm just asking questions. As for where, I mean all through the NA continent and all over the world. Also, if you think all foreign countries are cheap sex destinations you are sorely mistaken. There are a number that cost more than here and still have the practices I described. I will say that in Vancouver it's a bit of a no man's land because you get customs of both, but it's quite different than Montreal.
Yours and my original comments in the other thread got axed and then this one was merged, so we may have lost something in translation, but if you remember in the original comments I had talked about getting the lowdown on all the girls rules beforehand, and having to respect those if I was going to book with her. I am likewise clear about mine. I never, ever, have a session anywhere or with anyone unless all of that is done beforehand (with MPs being somewhat of an exception, which also has to do somewhat with why I only do reviews on MPs and not indy SPs). It's one of things that people on both sides if the fence learn quickly.It just looks like to avoid haveing a girl make her way to you and walk away, because of how you have your rules set. When planning the booking, it will likely be benificial for both of you, not to loose time or gas, by bringing it up before it is waisted on showing up to the meeting. To be sure she is on board with your rules. It also gives her a chance to accept, or refuse servicing you, if she isn't comfortable with your way of doing things. Everyone is entitled to do things the way they want, and are comfortable. You included.
I’ll never judge anyone based on the act of tipping. I will based on their opinion regarding tipping in general though since it’s very telling about ones personality and character.
Its no secret that a lot of escorts love (and sometimes count) on clients being "generous". Its a reality that some guy legitly take pleasure into gifting, high tipping and such and the SPs often share their etransfer gifts or items on their twitter. Some guys get a kick out of it, make them feel important. And of course it always depend on these guys personal financial situation.
So will she prefer a client that "overpay" or a client that pay the asked rate? Likely overpay sure. But that does mean the client that simply pay the rate is a bad client either...
The problem with tipping as i mentioned above is its starting to be "expected" too much, and not just in the sexwork industry. Personally i like to know what i am gonna pay in total and not be "judged" for money i may or may not add. What is a "normal service provided" vs an "outstanding service". At the rates some SP charged (500-600 or even 800$ sometimes) shouldn't i be expecting an outstanding service from the get go? If im litterally giving a full week of paid work for 1h ... yes i do.
And to circle around with what i said about knowing what im gonna pay ... I wish every store would be forced to put the prices with taxes. I really don't get why it’s always "+taxes" , i hate this idea of having to mentally calculate how im actually gonna pay.
Obviously. There is an old saying wich is more money you got more money you want. Its normal. In 2023 escorts lifestyle is not exactly secret. Tons of escorts link their OF to real life instagrams etc. The reality is... Easy money look good and everyone want it. Not gonna blame anyone .Yes we prioritize higher spenders but it’s not out of greed, at least not to me. You have to remember that yes, we do make a very high income, but in this line of work, money comes and goes.
This, that kind of shit started with the pandemia, and I got caught with it until my brain started to make sense again. From that moment I am back to the old fashion way, no tip for any take out orders.The default psychological response is well, maybe you don't have to tip that much, but you should tip
I mostly tip a dollar value not percentage, do not think the server at Denny's should get less than the Keg for example, they both preform the same task even though one is triple in price.I finish my wine and figure how much you deserve as a tip.
It is kind of dumb in my opinion not to go prepared with the exact amount you want to give her.Does it irritate you when the lady suddenly does it have change and you are required to leave a 50-60$ tip? It almost appears that they do it on purpose to avoid change. Don't get me wrong. I'm a big tipper, but I like to do it on my own terms, not hers, because she's put you in a position where you're obligated for her not to give you any change. It always happens to me, which I don't mind, but not in this way. Does this ever happen to you?
I tend to be spontaneous and rarely plan ahead when it comes to seeing a service provider. It's usually a last-minute decision, and I don't usually prepare in advance. Just a brief thought or encounter with a service provider can make me want to call them or watch adult content on TV, and then I find myself dialing an agency. I do tip well, but I prefer to do it on my own terms. Service providers handle cash all the time, so it's hard to believe they don't carry any with them. They often have more money than you and me combined. So, the idea that they don’t carry money or have change that excuse is overrated.It is kind of dumb in my opinion not to go prepared with the exact amount you want to give her.
It is up to you to know what her rate is before you get there.
The other thing is in my opinion it is totally tacky to ask her for change, personally I would feel ridiculous and embarrassed to do that, besides I usually tip anyway and $50-60 extra if I somehow don’t have change is not going to put me in the poor house.
She is not a bank teller or a convenience store to be giving out change.
I would be embarrassed to ask them for change it just doesn’t feel right to me and an extra 20-50 is not going to make a difference to me if I don’t happen to have the exact amount.I tend to be spontaneous and rarely plan ahead when it comes to seeing a service provider. It's usually a last-minute decision, and I don't usually prepare in advance. Just a brief thought or encounter with a service provider can make me want to call them or watch adult content on TV, and then I find myself dialing an agency. I do tip well, but I prefer to do it on my own terms. Service providers handle cash all the time, so it's hard to believe they don't carry any with them. They often have more money than you and me combined. So, the idea that they don’t carry money or have change that excuse is overrated.
It has been said, for obvious reasons, that it could be very risky for providers to give any hint of having any serious amount of cash with them or stashed at the incall places.So, the idea that they don’t carry money or have change that excuse is overrated.
I agree totally!! It never even crossed my mind to ask a SP for change. I usually plan to see a lady at least 1-2 days in advance, so I make sure to have the right amount, plus some extra.It is kind of dumb in my opinion not to go prepared with the exact amount you want to give her.
It is up to you to know what her rate is before you get there.
The other thing is in my opinion it is totally tacky to ask her for change, personally I would feel ridiculous and embarrassed to do that, besides I usually tip anyway and $50-60 extra if I somehow don’t have change is not going to put me in the poor house.
She is not a bank teller or a convenience store to be giving out change.