C'est vrai, j'ai oublié Hubert Reeves, un vrai homme de sciences, je l'ai croisé il y a quelques années dans le quartier Côte-des-neiges. Habillé d'un béret basque et mastiquant son sandwitch tout en marchant. Le fait que son nom ainsi que celui d'autres scientifiques et hommes de lettres n'ait pas été cité n'est qu'un signe de la médiocrité de la société dans laquelle nous vivons, société au sens large du terme et je ne me restreins pas au Québec dans mon jugement.
Most famous ever Quebecer worldwide?
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C'est vrai, j'ai oublié Hubert Reeves, un vrai homme de sciences, je l'ai croisé il y a quelques années dans le quartier Côte-des-neiges. Habillé d'un béret basque et mastiquant son sandwitch tout en marchant. Le fait que son nom ainsi que celui d'autres scientifiques et hommes de lettres n'ait pas été cité n'est qu'un signe de la médiocrité de la société dans laquelle nous vivons, société au sens large du terme et je ne me restreins pas au Québec dans mon jugement.
Does Shatner consider himself as a Quebecer, I doubt it. Do people world-wide perceive him as a Quebecer actor or as an American actor? I am inclined to believe in the second alternative. At the end of the day, it all depends on your definition of what a Quebecer is, though I would not dare to venture into this mined territory.
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Uhhh, Techman,
And I didn't need Merriam Webster to know you are mistaken.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/famous
fa·mous/ˈfāməs/
Adjective:
Known about by many people.
Synonyms:
renowned - celebrated - noted - well-known - famed
Shatner got the opportunities because of the Star Trek and the cult following that built up. That doesn't mean anything negative, but it is why his Kirk role is so critical to his current notoriety, even if he has developed into a credible award winning television actor.
This idea that Celine is a one-hit wonder as you suggest is, simply put...pure biased BILGE! No one has ever sold 200 million albums for one hit. Within her profession she's got far more talent and range than Shatner could dream of in his. You tout this TJ Hooker and Big Bad Mamma stuff like it was art by Kubrick, Coppola, Cameron, or Tarentino. C'mon Beav, it's fun but it's fast food quality even if Heather and Angie did give us men all a major hardons.
Dion's music has been influenced by genres ranging from rock and R&B to gospel and classical. While her releases have often received mixed critical reception, she is renowned for her technically skilled and powerful vocals.[15][16][17] Dion is the best-selling Canadian artist of all time,[18][19] is the second best-selling female artist in the US during the Nielsen SoundScan era,[20][21] and is the only female artist to have two singles sell more than a million copies in the UK.[22] In addition, her 1995 album D'eux, is the best-selling French-language album of all time.[23] In 2004, after surpassing 175 million in album sales worldwide, she was presented with the Chopard Diamond Award at the World Music Awards for becoming the best-selling female artist of all time.[24][25] According to Sony Music Entertainment, Dion has sold over 200 million albums worldwide.
Don't forget Celine was selling that much in the age of Napster, Frostwire, Bear Share, etc, which definitely cut into total sales by a very large percentage.
Yeah, well I'm starting to wonder if you are using more computer memory on that than all the hot chick videos combined.
Once again, you are surrealistic with the total lack in quality of your evidence/facts considering your profession. If he were still invested he'd be extraordinarily wealthy as you have claimed. Yet, Shatner himself has tweeted he has not made that money, so the way you post about this investment as fact is an wishful presumption at best. I've said a number of times Shatner is probably better known, but I have to wonder about your confidence in him when you contradict what Shatner himself says is not true.
You claim bias against his Judaism and as an Anglo, which smells of trying to stoke the jury into feeling guilty about prejudice they don't have, yet you claim his fame is practically unbeatable, another large contradiction.
The question is about fame. Lawrence Olivier, Charles Lindbergh, Babe Ruth had it, so does Charlie Sheen, Lindsay Lohan, Honey Boo Boo Fame comes for all kind of reasons from heroic to infamous. Shatner falls in there somewhere among cult popcorn idols with sometimes talent. I guess someone found it worthwhile to wage a battle of so many posts feeling he had to pull out all the stops on a sex board for Captain Kirk. Congrats EB.
Not that it changes where you were born or inner identity, but the popular perception does often seem American as it gets.
Cheers,
Merlot
Uhhh, Techman,
And I didn't need Merriam Webster to know you are mistaken.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/famous
fa·mous/ˈfāməs/
Adjective:
Known about by many people.
Synonyms:
renowned - celebrated - noted - well-known - famed
Shatner got the opportunities because of the Star Trek and the cult following that built up. That doesn't mean anything negative, but it is why his Kirk role is so critical to his current notoriety, even if he has developed into a credible award winning television actor.
This idea that Celine is a one-hit wonder as you suggest is, simply put...pure biased BILGE! No one has ever sold 200 million albums for one hit. Within her profession she's got far more talent and range than Shatner could dream of in his. You tout this TJ Hooker and Big Bad Mamma stuff like it was art by Kubrick, Coppola, Cameron, or Tarentino. C'mon Beav, it's fun but it's fast food quality even if Heather and Angie did give us men all a major hardons.
Dion's music has been influenced by genres ranging from rock and R&B to gospel and classical. While her releases have often received mixed critical reception, she is renowned for her technically skilled and powerful vocals.[15][16][17] Dion is the best-selling Canadian artist of all time,[18][19] is the second best-selling female artist in the US during the Nielsen SoundScan era,[20][21] and is the only female artist to have two singles sell more than a million copies in the UK.[22] In addition, her 1995 album D'eux, is the best-selling French-language album of all time.[23] In 2004, after surpassing 175 million in album sales worldwide, she was presented with the Chopard Diamond Award at the World Music Awards for becoming the best-selling female artist of all time.[24][25] According to Sony Music Entertainment, Dion has sold over 200 million albums worldwide.
Don't forget Celine was selling that much in the age of Napster, Frostwire, Bear Share, etc, which definitely cut into total sales by a very large percentage.
Yeah, well I'm starting to wonder if you are using more computer memory on that than all the hot chick videos combined.
Once again, you are surrealistic with the total lack in quality of your evidence/facts considering your profession. If he were still invested he'd be extraordinarily wealthy as you have claimed. Yet, Shatner himself has tweeted he has not made that money, so the way you post about this investment as fact is an wishful presumption at best. I've said a number of times Shatner is probably better known, but I have to wonder about your confidence in him when you contradict what Shatner himself says is not true.
You claim bias against his Judaism and as an Anglo, which smells of trying to stoke the jury into feeling guilty about prejudice they don't have, yet you claim his fame is practically unbeatable, another large contradiction.
The question is about fame. Lawrence Olivier, Charles Lindbergh, Babe Ruth had it, so does Charlie Sheen, Lindsay Lohan, Honey Boo Boo Fame comes for all kind of reasons from heroic to infamous. Shatner falls in there somewhere among cult popcorn idols with sometimes talent. I guess someone found it worthwhile to wage a battle of so many posts feeling he had to pull out all the stops on a sex board for Captain Kirk. Congrats EB.
Not that it changes where you were born or inner identity, but the popular perception does often seem American as it gets.
Cheers,
Merlot
Je l'ai mentionné au message 66. On devrait également mentionner les noms de Luc Brisson, spécialiste de la philosophie grecque et expatrié en France, qui est mondialement connu. Il y aurait également François Hertel dont la notoriété brille bien au-delà de nos frontières. Et que dire de nos peintres tels Jean-Paul Lemieux, Paul-Émile Borduas et consorts...la liste pourrait s'allonger ad infinitum.
Je doute toutefois que de tels noms puissent évoquer quelque chose chez des individus qui vénèrent un acteur tel Shatner qui est la quintessence même du style binoclard succombant au chant des sirènes de la pire médiocrité cinématographique qui puisse exister.
I know my comment about Cirque du Soleil went without too much been noted...
But, if the "chiffre d'affaires" is the mark of success, what do you think of a 1 billion a year? ( 1 milliard, et ça été une année très difficile... :lol
Cirque du Soleil made it!
:nod:
But, if the "chiffre d'affaires" is the mark of success, what do you think of a 1 billion a year? ( 1 milliard, et ça été une année très difficile... :lol
Cirque du Soleil made it!
:nod:
Cirque du soleil isa brand name same as Bombardier or even Star Trek.
The point is who is more famous and since people are confusing many things here... who remember Laliberté's name in the world ?
Same for Shatner or even Capt. Kirk vs. Dion.
Looks like people think that having seen the guy once or twice from all those who don't give a sh!t about Science Fiction let alone Star Trek make them able to remember about him, let alone his name.
While pop music is the biggest selling music around the world including to little girls, les tites matantes and most of all Dion's name is linked to the name TITANIC now (unfortunately- God I hate this movie).
This freakin ballad won the 1998 Oscar for Best Song From A Film and Grammys for Record Of The Year, Best Female Pop Vocal Performance, Song Of The Year and Best Song for a Motion Picture.That surely must be the song that played the most (until my ears would bleed) with 'I will always love you' of W. Houston.
And in 1998 it was the no.1 song of the year all over the world.
It even broke the record back then as being the largest radio audience ever, garnering 117 million listeners at one time, in February 1998. It is 9th on the all time record selling single chart. GAWD !!!!
Further more, the title of the song has been simply replaced in everyone's mind as the TITANIC song, sang by DION.
Now if you'd want to compare le capitaine Kick ??? okay !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0-JXQDUxo
You want more ? simply type in Shatner in Youtube vs. Dion.
With Dion you'll get many 5, 10, 14, 18, 22 up to 90 freakin million views for the Titanic song in which she appears.
The point is who is more famous and since people are confusing many things here... who remember Laliberté's name in the world ?
Same for Shatner or even Capt. Kirk vs. Dion.
Looks like people think that having seen the guy once or twice from all those who don't give a sh!t about Science Fiction let alone Star Trek make them able to remember about him, let alone his name.
While pop music is the biggest selling music around the world including to little girls, les tites matantes and most of all Dion's name is linked to the name TITANIC now (unfortunately- God I hate this movie).
This freakin ballad won the 1998 Oscar for Best Song From A Film and Grammys for Record Of The Year, Best Female Pop Vocal Performance, Song Of The Year and Best Song for a Motion Picture.That surely must be the song that played the most (until my ears would bleed) with 'I will always love you' of W. Houston.
And in 1998 it was the no.1 song of the year all over the world.
It even broke the record back then as being the largest radio audience ever, garnering 117 million listeners at one time, in February 1998. It is 9th on the all time record selling single chart. GAWD !!!!
Further more, the title of the song has been simply replaced in everyone's mind as the TITANIC song, sang by DION.
Now if you'd want to compare le capitaine Kick ??? okay !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0-JXQDUxo
You want more ? simply type in Shatner in Youtube vs. Dion.
With Dion you'll get many 5, 10, 14, 18, 22 up to 90 freakin million views for the Titanic song in which she appears.
I would say headlining at Ceasar's Place for the last two years knocks being a lowly pitchman for Priceline way out of the box. Shatner has unfortunately become a charicature of himself of late.
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Lily from Montreal
"Guy Laliberté" scores 323 000 results on Google and 7 390 000 results on Bing
"William Shatner" scores 8 690 000 results on Google and 2 360 000 results on Bing
"Leonard Cohen" 23 400 000 results on Google and 4 190 000 results on Bing
The winner is:
"Celine Dion" scores 72 900 000 results on Google and 14 200 000 on Bing
I like Shatner way better than Dion, and Denny Crane from Boston Legal is my all time favorite TV character.
But famous means well known, and when you take a cab in Bejing, Bankok, Paris, Paris TX, or Nairobi, you are well at risk of hearing Celine playing on the radio, not so much hear Shatner's conferences or commercials.
"William Shatner" scores 8 690 000 results on Google and 2 360 000 results on Bing
"Leonard Cohen" 23 400 000 results on Google and 4 190 000 results on Bing
The winner is:
"Celine Dion" scores 72 900 000 results on Google and 14 200 000 on Bing
I like Shatner way better than Dion, and Denny Crane from Boston Legal is my all time favorite TV character.
But famous means well known, and when you take a cab in Bejing, Bankok, Paris, Paris TX, or Nairobi, you are well at risk of hearing Celine playing on the radio, not so much hear Shatner's conferences or commercials.
Well done LM. Your conclusion is actually based on a reasonable scientific (or at least semi-scientific!) approach and short of polling everyone in the world is probably the best practical solution to solving this question. You have wisely NOT confused fame with either popularity or presumed wealth and you have also wisely looked at the subject objectively by not letting your personal preferences steer you away from the statistics you unearthed. (Now let's hope you're not attacked by the Shatner-lovers because you didn't include Priceline in your research!)
It's kinda funny that people would think that William Shatner was more famous than Celine Dion.
Love her or hate her, Celine Dion is known internationally.
Love her or hate her, Celine Dion is known internationally.
Good point. Google search will give the number of Web pages/sites containing the searh words. Google Trends shows how often a particular search-term is entered relative to the total search-volume across various regions of the world, and in various languages.
So lets look at Google trends results for a comparison of the terms:
"Celine Dion" and "William Shatner"
http://trends.google.com/trends/explore#q="Celine Dion", William Shatner"&cmpt=q
These results are much more complex and sophisticated, and would require detailed analysis, but a basic relative average gives Celine Dion a 41 relative share and William Shatner a 4 relative share for the Worldwide Web searches since 2004 in all languages.
These results confirm (with no surprise) that, unfortunately, Celine is more famous than Shatner.
Celine never did and never will deliver such memorable lines as Shatner/Denny Crane:
I have an erection. That's a good sign. I'm ready to go to trial. Lock and load.
And she will never deliver jokes like:
You hear the one about the fella who died, went to the pearly gates? St. Peter let him in. Sees a guy in a suit making a closing argument. Says, "Who's that?" St. Peter says, "Oh, that's God. Thinks he's Denny Crane."
But, on Larry King, she will tell Dubya "I am not thinking with my head, I am talking with my heart... Take a kayak!"
Google searches are used when the person has to look up information on the person being searched. That does not prove that the person is famous. It actually proves the opposite, that someone has heard the name because they do not know anything about the person.
I think the Google search results prove that Shatner is more famous because people do not need to use a Google Search to know Shatner's storied accomplishments. They know he is Captain Kirk. They know he is Denny Crane. They know he is TJ Hooker. They know he is the man terrified by the Gremlin destroying the engines of the plane he is flying on the most famous Twilight Zone episode ever made. They know he is Mr. Priceline. They know he now has his own cable TV talk show.
Thank you for once again proving that William Shatner is the most famous Quebec resident in the world!
I think the Google search results prove that Shatner is more famous because people do not need to use a Google Search to know Shatner's storied accomplishments. They know he is Captain Kirk. They know he is Denny Crane. They know he is TJ Hooker. They know he is the man terrified by the Gremlin destroying the engines of the plane he is flying on the most famous Twilight Zone episode ever made. They know he is Mr. Priceline. They know he now has his own cable TV talk show.
Thank you for once again proving that William Shatner is the most famous Quebec resident in the world!
Congrats EB!
By your own sophistic standards you are even more famous than Shatner !
"William Shatner" scores 8 690 000 results on Google and 2 360 000 results on Bing
"EagerBeaver" scores 66 500 results on Google and 338 000 results on Bing
Since you are not a Quebec resident, you do not qualify, so I tried it with
"Lilyforyou" she scores 23 200 results on Google and 3 500 results on Bing
So Lily, I guess you are more famous than Shatner and way more famous than Celine (and certainly sexier and prettier)
QED EB
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Lily from Montreal
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