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I heard the ad the other day and I went like hmmmm. I'm reassured by the member that posted about this week being a sensibilisation week.
 

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You can’t “encourage” a person to be homosexual or bi or whatever. I don’t know why trying to remove stigmas should be considered as “encouraging”. They are what they are.
What a distorted quote :confused:
I don’t like Trudeau but not for these silly reasons.
The Trudeau Liberals was not removing stigmas, he was actively encouraging homosexuality. We were bombarded with frequent transgender propaganda on the news. Their issues do not improve life in Canada as a whole.


^^^^ Funding for gender affirming care.


^^^^^ And this one tops it all. A man who thinks he is a woman sued a hair salon because he accuses the booking system to not have a non binary section and said it was discriminatory. Hair salons have been doing it like this for the past century separating haircuts between men and women and they had a legit reason for this. The hair salon was orderered to pay this man who thinks he is a woman $500. This is total madness. I am talking about stuff like this.

But this is a whole other topic nothing to do with this thread. I mainly wrote what I wrote to the OP because he mentioned if they would call the Gay Village a Red Light District due to casual encounters, and I said no considering how woke Montreal has become.
 

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The Trudeau Liberals was not removing stigmas, he was actively encouraging homosexuality. We were bombarded with frequent transgender propaganda on the news. Their issues do not improve life in Canada as a whole.


^^^^ Funding for gender affirming care.


^^^^^ And this one tops it all. A man who thinks he is a woman sued a hair salon because he accuses the booking system to not have a non binary section and said it was discriminatory. Hair salons have been doing it like this for the past century separating haircuts between men and women and they had a legit reason for this. The hair salon was orderered to pay this man who thinks he is a woman $500. This is total madness. I am talking about stuff like this.

But this is a whole other topic nothing to do with this thread. I mainly wrote what I wrote to the OP because he mentioned if they would call the Gay Village a Red Light District due to casual encounters, and I said no considering how woke Montreal has become.
Yeah nothign to do with this thread but how weird you post an article about supporting trans surgery to "prove" that JT was encouraging homosexuality.
 

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Yeah nothign to do with this thread but how weird you post an article about supporting trans surgery to "prove" that JT was encouraging homosexuality.
What is weird is this case went through. Come on, the salon had to pay $500. This is insanity.
 

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The Trudeau Liberals was not removing stigmas, he was actively encouraging homosexuality. We were bombarded with frequent transgender propaganda on the news. Their issues do not improve life in Canada as a whole.


^^^^ Funding for gender affirming care.


^^^^^ And this one tops it all. A man who thinks he is a woman sued a hair salon because he accuses the booking system to not have a non binary section and said it was discriminatory. Hair salons have been doing it like this for the past century separating haircuts between men and women and they had a legit reason for this. The hair salon was orderered to pay this man who thinks he is a woman $500. This is total madness. I am talking about stuff like this.

But this is a whole other topic nothing to do with this thread. I mainly wrote what I wrote to the OP because he mentioned if they would call the Gay Village a Red Light District due to casual encounters, and I said no considering how woke Montreal has become.
I don’t know why anti-wokes put so much energy at lgbtq+ repudiation.
There have been probably some excess ok but from hearing you, it seems like Montreal became Sodome and Gomorrah.
What’s next? Eradicating the village?
…bizarrely, it reminds me the neighbour character in the film « American beauty » or these American « morality champions » being caught pants down with childs.
 
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…bizarrely, it reminds me the neighbour character in the film « American beauty » or these American « morality champions » being caught pants down with childs.
I think you are confusing the Kevin Spacey and Chris Cooper characters.It was Kevin Spacey, who played Lester, who was caught with his pants down with 16 year old Actor Anthony Rapp. Rapp testified at trial that he was "unpleasantly familiar" with Spacey's performance in the film, in which he plays Lester, who is infatuated with an underaged girl. In real life, Spacey was infatuated with underaged boys, including Anthony Rapp. His character is killed in the movie by the Cooper neighbor character, who is the "morality champion."
 
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His character is killed in the movie by the Cooper neighbor character, who is the "morality champion."
I was talking about Cooper (I only saw that movie once more than a decade ago). For the one who got caught with pants down with child I was more talking about some republican scandals. Same hypocrite shit anyway for me.
 

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The hair salon was orderered to pay this man who thinks he is a woman $500. This is total madness. I am talking about stuff like this.

This person clearly did not think they're a woman. Otherwise it would've been easy to just select the woman option.

Other than that, I agree that it was ridiculous. And to be fair, most people I know from the LGBTQIA+ community also think it was ridiculous. This isn't progress it's a random, embarrassing, unjustified tantrum.

Personally though, I think hair salons should charge by service, lenght, or time. Because I've seen women with short hair get charged the higher woman price while men with long luscious hair got to pay the cheaper man price. It would make more sense to charge according to the hair length and desired services than to charge according to genitals at the hair salon lol
 

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Since when did we start treating the government or the media like that one honest friend who “just tells it like it is”? Come on, that’s cute. Hypocrisy isn’t a bug in the system, it's practically a built in feature.

And let’s be real for a moment: why do people actually come to Montreal or Quebec? It’s definitely not for the tropical weather that hits you in the face nine months out of the year. It’s not for roads so smooth they feel like a luxury spa treatment for your suspension. And it’s probably not for the beaches, sorry, I mean lakes, that require Olympic level courage to swim in, and you risk ending up floating dead.

News flash: no,the real draw is the stunningly beautiful women and the GFE service. Let’s just say, the city’s reputation isn’t a secret. They may pretend to crack down on prostitution blabla but everyone knows they turn a blind eye. Montreal and Quebec are essentially the world capitals of “prostitution.” So next time someone asks why you’re visiting, just smile and remember: it’s not the weather or the scenery, it's the prostitution services that keep this city/province in the spotlight.
Is this true?
Id wager most tourists going to Mtl are just sightseeing. id been to Mtl twice for work alone before I found out about this scene...and all my coworkers (mostly married couples) who had visited definitely didnt come for this.

Out of the repeat tourists (i.e. myself) theres probably a large number who come for that.
 

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I don’t know why anti-wokes put so much energy at lgbtq+ repudiation.
There have been probably some excess ok but from hearing you, it seems like Montreal became Sodome and Gomorrah.
What’s next? Eradicating the village?
…bizarrely, it reminds me the neighbour character in the film « American beauty » or these American « morality champions » being caught pants down with childs.
I truly believe that Montreal is Sodom and Gomorrah. You can confirm this by visiting this place - Cirque De Boudoir .
 

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This is a case of NIMBY. The politicians do not want this. Like that dumbass Denis Coderre used to always say, he wanted Montreal to be known as a World Class City. They want it to be a family city. The city got rid of the red light district that has been there for years, the only remnants left of the red light district is Cleopatra.
And this a bad thing somehow?

New York City was festered with live peep show "establishments" at each and every corner at the beginning of a block and at the end of the block both ways of every street in Manhattan. In some areas of Manhattan, these peep show "establishments" were 2-3-4 shops deep at every street corner at the beginning of said street and at the end of the street...

Liberal...I guess you could call him liberal...mayor Rudy Giuliani...cleaned up the city. Can we call Rudy a liberal? Can we? (Im a long time lurker to know enough of where you lean on politically...laughably...)

Montreal's red light district was very dirty and seedy... And that was the decent areas... You know...St Lawrence and Ste Catherine..
Hochelaga Maisonneuve Districts at Ontario street east at around Papineau and east of Papineau all the way to Pie- IX and on Ste Catherine street from Moreau street all the way down to where Ste Catherine meets up with Notre Dame Boulevard was full of drug addicted prostitutes with their pimps laying in shadows...

I know...I lived on Ste Catherine Street east a couple of streets west of Pie IX. Born and raised in that area. Actually...my dad also was born and raised in that area. We went to the same school he and I. English school at that time. Maisonneuve Elementary. Was a teen there in the mid 80s when my parents decided to leave that area. It was clean in the 1980s. I used to work in that very same area in the 1990s and saw the crap unfold in the 1990s...

And you find it a problem that Denis Coderre decided to clean up the city?

Montreal in that time span was NOT in a very good space. Montreal lost a lot of businesses because of a referendum in the early 1980s. Lots of businesses closed down. You could actually STILL see the remnants of that economical downturn ON Ste Catherine Street East from Moreau street ALL the way to where Ste Catherine meets up with Notre Dame. ALL those bordered up businesses on Ste Catherine street were vibrant businesses. Restaurants at EACH corner of EVERY street. All kinds of other businesses up until the mid 1980s.

Promenade Ontario I believe still closes the street to cars and the businesses have their things they sell outside still to this day and pedestrians walk in the summer. Well...Ste Catherine also had the same... But...let us not digress... Montreal became very poor and and dirty (seedy and dirty and drug needles everywhere INCLUDING downtown red light district) in these areas and Denis Coderre cleaned that up. And it was only then that Montreal got their tourism back... Because Montreal really was not a happening city with tourism from the late 1980s all the way to the mid 2000s.

New York had the same problem... Look at ANY 1970s movie from Hollywood and NYC is depicted very seedy. Now NYC is family friendly... But you somehow find that cleanly up a city is a bad thing...
You got your red light district remnants... On Ste Catherine street East near Moreau street there is at least one "massage" parlour still open...
Club 281 is now closed I gather but I heard that most dancers were homosexual and well...thanx to Trudeau making Montreal woke I guess for you its a good thing that Club 281 is no more.

But I gather you are a strapping strong masculine man, straight...let us not forget straight, you could dance for the ladies... not for the gays though... Just for the ladies...
 
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Hawkins,

I am an American and can remember as a high school student the level of seediness you describe in New York City in the 1980s. Before Giuliani cleaned things up.

Every city can go too far in allowing deterioration of red light districts and can also go too far in enforcing the law and cleaning things up. I think there is a happy medium somewhere between the two where red light districts exist and are reasonably discreet in an area segregated and apart from the main tourist areas so that family friendliness is preserved.

This is an issue for urban and city planners. I think it's kind of an interesting career choice and I do have a friend who studied this in college and now works as a city planner for a large city in Connecticut.
 
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Hawkins,

I am an American and can remember as a high school student the level of seediness you describe in New York City in the 1980s. Before Giuliani cleaned things up.

Every city can go too far in allowing deterioration of red light districts and can also go too far in enforcing the law and cleaning things up. I think there is a happy medium somewhere between the two where red light districts exist and are reasonably discreet in an area segregated and apart from the main tourist areas so that family friendliness is preserved.

This is an issue for urban and city planners. I think it's kind of an interesting career choice and I do have a friend who studied this in college and now works as a city planner for a large city in Connecticut.
Agreed.

But Montreal has an identity to protect. Several identities...

It is very historical. Old Montreal... Families visit Old Montreal.

Downtown...when there was prohibition in the US in the 1920s-1930s, Montreal became a very party city full of bars and dancing girl cabarets and still has that reputation today to which Montreal has a very strong reputation of being a party city around the world. The reputation does not lose steam as Montreal also has more higher education schools than Boston and those are mostly downtown and the adult aged young student population body continues on the trend of bar hopping for beer drinking and marijuana smoking.

Back to Old Montreal. Families with YOUNG kids visit Jacques Cartier place...and Jacques Cartier Place is not far from Montreal's former red light district...
You could see the problem of where young kids and their parents and seediness do not mix very well.

There was a parking lot on the south east side of Ste Catherine street at that time. In front of La Belle Province restaurant on the south side... My dad used to know the owner of that parking lot. Family friend. We used to see him often enough. Im mean it was a hop, skip and jump away from where we lived. I used to see prostitutes in the daytime ALL the time when we visited him. It was no big deal to us I guess being of Greek decent and not having a puritanical background, but trying to get Americans to visit a joie de vivre city where its mostly vivre and laissez vivre is a thing, maybe a clean up is not such a bad thing.

Montreal still has its party city reputation and all the sexual escapades that come with it are all still intact. Only now, its more of a "if you know, you know" kinda vibe. Its a good thing, we do not need to advertise our sexual escapades like Las Vegas does. We do not need "it happens in Vegas, it stays in Vegas" slogans as we are more sophisticated than that. And that is another reputation that we need to evolve ourselves to and to protect. We do have an arrogant reputation. And I do not mind thinking that we are better than Vegas.
 

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And this a bad thing somehow?

New York City was festered with live peep show "establishments" at each and every corner at the beginning of a block and at the end of the block both ways of every street in Manhattan. In some areas of Manhattan, these peep show "establishments" were 2-3-4 shops deep at every street corner at the beginning of said street and at the end of the street...

Liberal...I guess you could call him liberal...mayor Rudy Giuliani...cleaned up the city. Can we call Rudy a liberal? Can we? (Im a long time lurker to know enough of where you lean on politically...laughably...)

Montreal's red light district was very dirty and seedy... And that was the decent areas... You know...St Lawrence and Ste Catherine..
Hochelaga Maisonneuve Districts at Ontario street east at around Papineau and east of Papineau all the way to Pie- IX and on Ste Catherine street from Moreau street all the way down to where Ste Catherine meets up with Notre Dame Boulevard was full of drug addicted prostitutes with their pimps laying in shadows...

I know...I lived on Ste Catherine Street east a couple of streets west of Pie IX. Born and raised in that area. Actually...my dad also was born and raised in that area. We went to the same school he and I. English school at that time. Maisonneuve Elementary. Was a teen there in the mid 80s when my parents decided to leave that area. It was clean in the 1980s. I used to work in that very same area in the 1990s and saw the crap unfold in the 1990s...

And you find it a problem that Denis Coderre decided to clean up the city?

Montreal in that time span was NOT in a very good space. Montreal lost a lot of businesses because of a referendum in the early 1980s. Lots of businesses closed down. You could actually STILL see the remnants of that economical downturn ON Ste Catherine Street East from Moreau street ALL the way to where Ste Catherine meets up with Notre Dame. ALL those bordered up businesses on Ste Catherine street were vibrant businesses. Restaurants at EACH corner of EVERY street. All kinds of other businesses up until the mid 1980s.

Promenade Ontario I believe still closes the street to cars and the businesses have their things they sell outside still to this day and pedestrians walk in the summer. Well...Ste Catherine also had the same... But...let us not digress... Montreal became very poor and and dirty (seedy and dirty and drug needles everywhere INCLUDING downtown red light district) in these areas and Denis Coderre cleaned that up. And it was only then that Montreal got their tourism back... Because Montreal really was not a happening city with tourism from the late 1980s all the way to the mid 2000s.

New York had the same problem... Look at ANY 1970s movie from Hollywood and NYC is depicted very seedy. Now NYC is family friendly... But you somehow find that cleanly up a city is a bad thing...
You got your red light district remnants... On Ste Catherine street East near Moreau street there is at least one "massage" parlour still open...
Club 281 is now closed I gather but I heard that most dancers were homosexual and well...thanx to Trudeau making Montreal woke I guess for you its a good thing that Club 281 is no more.

But I gather you are a strapping strong masculine man, straight...let us not forget straight, you could dance for the ladies... not for the gays though... Just for the ladies...
Seems you are trying to troll? You take the time to mention my political beliefs. I assure you whatever you think and you are wrong. I am Libertarian. I am against forced conformity as what was seen during American Prohibition in the 1920s. Montreal became known as the Sin City and that is what I want for my city, a Sin City not some boring lame bland city Montreal has become now. Have you seen the pictures of Montreal from the 60s? Montreal had personality and it was rocking. Now it is boring lame city. It appears good on the surface but it is worse then ever. Exploding homeless population, the city is so dirty because corrupt politicians jack up the taxes but cut services.

With your thinking they should shut down Cleopatra which the city already tried to. Ask on this board how many would agree to shut down Cleopatra? The Red Light district is what made Montreal fun. About dirty, loool you make me laugh. Despite their efforts for forced conformity, open your eyes and look around you. Montreal is filthy, homeless everywhere. In many areas of Montreal they cut garbage collection to biweekly. Dude, the city is far from clean. Crime is still rampant.
 
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Agreed.

But Montreal has an identity to protect. Several identities...

It is very historical. Old Montreal... Families visit Old Montreal.

Downtown...when there was prohibition in the US in the 1920s-1930s, Montreal became a very party city full of bars and dancing girl cabarets and still has that reputation today to which Montreal has a very strong reputation of being a party city around the world. The reputation does not lose steam as Montreal also has more higher education schools than Boston and those are mostly downtown and the adult aged young student population body continues on the trend of bar hopping for beer drinking and marijuana smoking.

Back to Old Montreal. Families with YOUNG kids visit Jacques Cartier place...and Jacques Cartier Place is not far from Montreal's former red light district...
You could see the problem of where young kids and their parents and seediness do not mix very well.

There was a parking lot on the south east side of Ste Catherine street at that time. In front of La Belle Province restaurant on the south side... My dad used to know the owner of that parking lot. Family friend. We used to see him often enough. Im mean it was a hop, skip and jump away from where we lived. I used to see prostitutes in the daytime ALL the time when we visited him. It was no big deal to us I guess being of Greek decent and not having a puritanical background, but trying to get Americans to visit a joie de vivre city where its mostly vivre and laissez vivre is a thing, maybe a clean up is not such a bad thing.

Montreal still has its party city reputation and all the sexual escapades that come with it are all still intact. Only now, its more of a "if you know, you know" kinda vibe. Its a good thing, we do not need to advertise our sexual escapades like Las Vegas does. We do not need "it happens in Vegas, it stays in Vegas" slogans as we are more sophisticated than that. And that is another reputation that we need to evolve ourselves to and to protect. We do have an arrogant reputation. And I do not mind thinking that we are better than Vegas.
That is a matter of perspective. I disagree. We need to go back to the way it was in the 60s and return to being a Sin City like Las Vegas. We can agree to disagree but bringing up my political beliefs is nothing but you trolling.
 

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Seems you are trying to troll?
I aint trolling.
But YOU brought up Trudeau. Get over Trudeau, bruh... He is dating Katy Perry now and no longer in our lives...
You take the time to mention my political beliefs.

YOU brought up Trudeau and wokeness... YOU crucified yourself on that stake. Not me...

I assure you whatever you think and you are wrong.
I aint wrong...but that is just an opinion. Everyone has got one and there is a saying about that. But...let me remind you...YOU brought up wokeness and Trudeau...
I am Libertarian
HA!!! That is funny. You are more of a comedian rather than a libertarian. NOW I am trolling you though... sorry.

I am against forced conformity
Nobody has forced you to do anything regarding prostitution and anything in this thread... No politician, no Trudeau. Not me. Nobody.

as what was seen during American Prohibition in the 1920s. Montreal became known as the Sin City and that is what I want for my city,

Oi vey..

a Sin City not some boring lame bland city Montreal has become now.
Montreal is still sin city. Montreal is not boring. Maybe you just became too old to truly extract all the taboo funtastic sexual escapades Montreal has to offer?

Have you seen the pictures of Montreal from the 60s? Montreal had personality and it was rocking. Now it is boring lame city.
Yup...
Did not actually experience the 60s as I was born in 1973.

But I was in my 20s in the 1990s and experienced what Montreal had to offer then. I cannot compare that to the swinging 60s, man...but it was the 1990s. Montreal had all kinds of fun to offer then too. Journal de Montreal had personals and the escort page at one point in time in the 1990s took 3/4s of the damned page... Catch my drift. Oh...I did do the street scene a couple of times too. Yeah and foolish we were. Weren't we. Weren't we all? I know I lived my youth to the fucking fullest. Not the swinging 60s or 70s but it was the 90s...
Def Leppard...I was told that Poor Some Sugar on Me was a Montreal strip club favorite...I got to know it rolling skating with my girlfriends. Teens at the time...but I did go to stripp clubs in the 1990s and I want to Fuck You Like an Animal by NiN was a thing...

I saw a movie or two or three in the late 1990s all the way to the early 2000s and you remind me of a certain character.

Wanna shag, baby. Yeah!!!

Listen dude...grow up. Times change. Dylan wrote a song about that unironically for you... IN the 1960s.
I LOVE muscles cars, man. Those 1960s big block mean machines. She's real fine my 409 and Little GTO, she's looking real fine, 3 deuces and a 4 speed and a 389. But the whole world gone woke and now it is electric Zeus juice instead of Dino juice... The fun is over? I mean, I had to live through rice burners for fuck's sake when all my friends were into that crap along with Bimmers and and VWs while I stayed loyal to Detroit muscle. But no...it aint over, they do not make Hellcats Challengers anymore, but a Tesla Model S is fucking great in other ways. Elon does not make the Model S anymore, but GM is making the E-Ray Vette... Chinese EVs, and I hope their sedans will come over, because GM, Ford and Chrysler do not make sedans and coupes no more...just shitty SUVs and CUVs.

Now...I sound like YOU... A raving LUNATIC...



The Red Light district is what made Montreal fun
Montreal still has that vibe and fun, man. You just gotta know where to find it, man. You and I are too fucking old to know... Unless you are Leo Dicaprio with lots of money and could still swing a young lady in her 20s... YOU and I are out of that loop.


Montreal is filthy, homeless everywhere. In many areas of Montreal they cut garbage collection to biweekly. Dude, the city is far from clean.
Yup... but you are changing the subject matter. And THAT is for another discussion in another thread.
Oh...you changing the subject like that reminds me a lot of a certain political party leader in the US who suddenly fired his border barbie and hence why I ranted and raved about muscles of the 1960s. But I REALLY do LOVE muscle cars... and I really HATE Japanese rice burners. Although in my 50s I have learned to appreciate all the Acura Integra GS-Rs and Toyota Supra Turbos and Nissan Twin Turbo 300s and Skylines and Dodge Stealths... Still hate on BMW M3s and Audi A4s and VW Golf GTis 4 valves. But LOVE BMW M5s and Mercedes AMGs. Especially AMGs... German muscle.

Crime is still rampant.
Yeah... Montreal now boasts 4 million plus of people of ALL nationalities. DOUBLE its population from the 1980s or 1990s and dare I say TRIPLE the population from the 1960s.
AND...STILL pretty FUCKING safe to ANYBODY late at night. LESS crime than ANY other North American City. No prevalent hate crime. No prevalent murders. Ladies could, for the most part, walk alone late at night. I mean, 4 million peoples of ALL nationalities live here. Its pretty fucking safe... Even organized crime is on the low.... And Montreal...from the glory days of the American prohibition have a STRONG hold of organized crime from the 6 families of NYC...yes the 6th family IS Montreal...and the bikers... Femicide could be eliminated though...dont you think? I mean...I think so...but I dont want you to think Im woke because I think Trudeau and the Libs make it known that violence against women and the LGBTQ is not tolerated...and that is a GOOD thing...

Like most woke Liberals, it is always about virtue signalling.
By the way you are posting...from where Im sitting...it seems that YOU are the one virtue signalling.
Again...Ive seen that kind of style of "discussing shit" from a certain political party... Do not want you to think Im trolling you, but you ARE a right wing nut!!!

Montreal is still fun and sexy and sexual. Not in your face. But the world is no longer sexual in your face anymore. Actually...Dan Fielding and Sam Malone IN THE 1980s were MADE FUN OF IN THE 1980s IN their respective sitcoms. NYC cleaned up their seediness in the 1990s. Montreal followed in the mid 2000s

Montreal grew up. Its time for you to do the same.

PS: Today's young adults do not party the way you did nor the way Gen Xers did, MY generation, which was almost the same way YOU partied. They party differently. They congregate differently. They got smart phones and to which they communicate easier than the way we ever could. Bar hopping may not be a thing. Strip clubs are definitely not a thing the way it used to be either. But do they need strip clubs when porn is so much easier to access on the internet. And no...this is not an internet bashing sentence. It just means the world evolves... Evolve with it... The 1960s are LOOOOOONG fucking gone. In some ways...good fucking riddance. In other ways...I wish the music could return. I like certain rap...certain Swifty and Katy Perry songs but songs in general suck. I love the muscle cars, but the Mustang is still alive a well... But I do wish the the Hippy movement from this NEW generation could kick in anytime soon...
So yeah...if we are talking about the 1960s...anti-war movements sound good right about now.
 
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Montreal's red light district was very dirty and seedy... And that was the decent areas... You know...St Lawrence and Ste Catherine..
Hochelaga Maisonneuve Districts at Ontario street east at around Papineau and east of Papineau all the way to Pie- IX and on Ste Catherine street from Moreau street all the way down to where Ste Catherine meets up with Notre Dame Boulevard was full of drug addicted prostitutes with their pimps laying in shadows...

I know...I lived on Ste Catherine Street east a couple of streets west of Pie IX. Born and raised in that area. Actually...my dad also was born and raised in that area. We went to the same school he and I. English school at that time. Maisonneuve Elementary. Was a teen there in the mid 80s when my parents decided to leave that area. It was clean in the 1980s. I used to work in that very same area in the 1990s and saw the crap unfold in the 1990s...
My parents had a business in the 80s in the east in that area. Back then it was a poor neighborhood also. They moved their shop elsewhere to Old Montreal. The area is not like that because of stripclubs or bars. It is like that because of poverty. The same problems that existed before is still existent today. That is why I mention NIMBY. They just want it hidden but the same problems exist. There are still prostitutes and rampant drug use. The Gay Village is not recognizable. Some businesses are packing up shop. Nothing really changed in reality, in fact it is worse. When I say seedy, I mean stripclubs, brothels, clubs, after hours clubs. That is what I am talking about. You went off to a totally different tangent.
And you find it a problem that Denis Coderre decided to clean up the city?
Coderre did not clean anything up. He wanted to shut down the MPs and stripclubs and I despise him for that. Do something useful. Instead build resources for the homeless. Fix the city's infrastructure like the potholes. And not waste money on the the Formula E race. The dummy removed the highway that went from the Ville-Marie tunnel directly to the Bonaventure Expressway, he placed useless urban boulevard in his effort to make Montreal a World Class City. The guy was arrogant but he had no vision.
Montreal in that time span was NOT in a very good space. Montreal lost a lot of businesses because of a referendum in the early 1980s. Lots of businesses closed down. You could actually STILL see the remnants of that economical downturn ON Ste Catherine Street East from Moreau street ALL the way to where Ste Catherine meets up with Notre Dame. ALL those bordered up businesses on Ste Catherine street were vibrant businesses. Restaurants at EACH corner of EVERY street. All kinds of other businesses up until the mid 1980s.
Well the people still decided to vote for separatist party.