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My parents had a business in the 80s in the east in that area. Back then it was a poor neighborhood also. They moved their shop elsewhere to Old Montreal. The area is not like that because of stripclubs or bars. It is like that because of poverty. The same problems that existed before is still existent today. That is why I mention NIMBY. They just want it hidden but the same problems exist. There are still prostitutes and rampant drug use. The Gay Village is not recognizable. Some businesses are packing up shop. Nothing really changed in reality, in fact it is worse. When I say seedy, I mean stripclubs, brothels, clubs, after hours clubs. That is what I am talking about. You went off to a totally different tangent.
I did not.
You are misrepresenting stuff.

Hochelaga Maisonneuve up until the early 1980s was still a vibrant MIDDLE CLASS neighborhood. Always was. My dad was born into that neighbourhood in 1926. ALWAYS was middleclass as many factories were there. Many closed after the war. WW2. But many still hung around. Poverty started creeping up in the mid 1980s in the Hochelaga district.

Where the gay village was, it was not that then. Poverty kicked in that area I suppose in the 1970s. I was born in 1973 but I remember in the late 1970s that that area was not moving. Lots of shops closed. It wasnt dirty or anything. But nothing moved. No business. No nothing.

Downtowns of any city were street prostitution is (was) prevalent was and is always a sign of poverty. And in THAT area, ST Lawrence and Ste Catherine was ALWAYS a poor area.
I told you I was of Greek descent. My dad was Greek but born in Montreal. But My grand dad came here from Greece. I told you my dad was born in 1926. You do the math of when my grand dada could gave possibly immigrated here... My dad chose Hochelega Maisonneuve to live at because he worked in the boiler rooms of some sort of grain depot or something on Notre Dame boulevard...

Anyway...The port to where ALL immigrants came here all the way up UNTIL the late 1960s and into the 1970s WAS and follow to where Saint Lawrence starts at... From italians to Jews to Greeks and ALL other immigrants. I will not talk about Italians, but take a look to where Little Italy is situated on the fucking Montreal map.

Mile End... its where the GREEK immigrants first lived at. Then unto Park Extension. Look at the fucking Montreal map to where all that coincides with Saint Lawrence.
Anyway...immigrants are always a part of a poor neighborhood because immigrants always leave their homeland poor because of their homeland situations, either for economical reasons or for political or for both but come to a new country to start fresh and for a better life. But especially then these folk had no education and they did not speak a lick of French or English. So yeah...poor neighborhood. Hey...it moved and grooved. Also...Jewish people also had immigrated in that area and it was FULL of Jewish establishments. But it was still inhabited by poor folk. There are reasons for why poor English and French people also lived in that area but this is not a lesson in Montreal demographics.
Point being. STOP disinformation...

Poverty will always exist in urban cities. Especially big urban centers. NIMBY will ALWAYS exist and for different reasons... THIS is NOT an argument discussion point. You are just driveling for driveling purposes.

And OH...everybody wants the poor people hidden. EVERYWHERE around the world, urban centers will always hide their homeless, especially when huge world events happen in that city. And Montreal ALWAYS had that reputation anyway. Not quite as far back when Jeanne Mance settled the area and started her hospital...ironically not far from where we are rambling about.

Point being...do not mention Trudeau and wokeness ever again... And stop with the moving of the goal posts. You are not as intelligent as you think you are...
 

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Point being...do not mention Trudeau and wokeness ever again... And stop with the moving of the goal posts. You are not as intelligent as you think you are...
You are completely unhinged.

Hawkins.png Hawkins2.png You are on this board since April 2025 with only 5 posts. Of the total of those posts, all except one is about trolling me. I will mention Trudeau and wokeness whenever I want. Do not tell me what to do. You got triggered and went off on this nonsense. Get over it buddy. Bye.
 
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You are completely unhinged.

View attachment 114361 View attachment 114362 You are on this board since April 2025 with only 5 posts. Of the total of those posts, all except one is about trolling me. I will mention Trudeau and wokeness whenever I want. Do not tell me what to do. You got triggered and went off on this nonsense. Get over it buddy, you got nothing of value to add. Bye.

HA!

My value as a mongerer is null. True. I add nothing to the "hobby"

But I touched your feelings...and the fun part is you calling the libs woke yet you got all huffy and puffy because I called you out on it.

I aint unhinged. I just replicated YOUR thought processing style with your argument discussion style.

BTW. I go waaaaaay further back that last year's account. I had an account here firstly waaaaaaaay before it was called MERB. It was sometime in 2008. 2007? 2009? Maybe it was even in 2006.
Anyway...you trying to strongman me into the ole you are a newb with 5 posts to nullify my shitting on you is quite telling of how insecure you really are.

I dont do escorts anymore.
Havent done escorts in long while and that is why I do not post. I have stopped cheating on my wife at least now for 15 years. I have been happily married for 23 years in the summer.
I like to read the reviews and reminisce about my youth when I did have sex with lovely ladies. Professional ladies or civvies. And no. I have never cheated on my wife with a lady in the non-escort world. Only with escorts.
BTW....sex life at home could be better. LOL. But it aint that bad.

This is who I am.
I couldnt bite my lip anymore in reading your shit. Ive read your shit all through covid. This Trudeau and wokeness post you did triggered me and was the last straw. But I will leave you alone in your fantasy world of MERB and leave you to reign as king with your x amount of posts in x amount of years.

It has been fun chatting with you. LOL
 
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this thread has degenerated lol

i cant read everything, but there is no way Dennis Coderre managed to "clean up" the city. He tried to do something about massage parlours but failed miserably. And I beleive that failure just emboldened more mps to sprout up.
And prostitution not being on the streets anymore has a lot more to do with the internet age than any one politician.
 
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there is no way Dennis Coderre managed to "clean up" the city.
Does anyone remember the infamous Dennis Coderre ban on pit bulls in Montreal? Another effort to "clean up" the City and make it "safe." I think the ban only lasted a couple of weeks but was overturned by the Courts and later repealed by the successor Mayor, Plante. I think the ban was preceded by an incident in which someone was actually killed by a pit bull in Montreal.
 

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this thread has degenerated lol

i cant read everything, but there is no way Dennis Coderre managed to "clean up" the city. He tried to do something about massage parlours but failed miserably. And I beleive that failure just emboldened more mps to sprout up.
And prostitution not being on the streets anymore has a lot more to do with the internet age than any one politician.

Well according to Cloud 500, Montreal kis boring and not swingin' like it was in the 60s... so...
A couple of massage parlours left standing now equate to Coderre failing miserably. So why is Cloud 500 bitchin about then?

Police crackdowns a la masse about street walking prostitutes and really throwing the book on pimps have nothing to do with it then. Only the internet smart phone thing.

I remember going to the Grand Prix... Yeah...not the Grand Prix F1 race. If you know, you know what Grand Prix Im talking about and all kinds of other "strip clubs" of that nature and having a time of my life.
Then...10 dollar dances at Montreal downtown strip clubs became a thing. Not at Wandas though. I never really enjoyed Super Sexe but i do not think touchy touchy was offered at Super Sexe. But there were others downtown that did have touchy touchy. Solid Gold comes to mind. But was risky risky in the 1990s downtown area. One had to leave to the outskirts. Laval was also a good place if Grand Prix was too far. Or the Hill Top...

Anyway...by the time Coderre became mayor, the famous massage parlours in and around Montreal were everywhere instead of the touchy touchy downtown strip clubs. All those massage parlours... Shiiiit. Some of those still exist today because there was sooooooo fucking many.
The sexy serveuse restaurants. The naked hairsalons.
The naked car washes. There was one on Ontario street. There was one on Rosemount Boulevard near were Mascarade massage parlour is today... He closed almost all of those down. There was soooo many of them. All those raids way back when. He did clean up the city. Or have your memories have faded away and became lost you on how many sex joints actually existed on the damned island never you mind the downtown core.

You guys could semantically laugh at Coderre that he failed.. But you guys also hate him for it. So he must have had an impact. Right?
All I know, in 2026, there are just as many escorts as there were in the 1990s and me calling escorts from the Journal de Montreal. Even the Gazette. Now its online. Indy Companion has 80 escorts on it. Just to remind Cloud 500.

No...Montreal's sex scene is not in your face. Its underground. It was underground and seedy during my time in the late 1980s and 1990s. But Leolist and Escort Intime Websites has replaced the Saint Lawrence and Ontario street seediness. Book an escort from those websites and the thrills and adrenaline dont kick in for you guys? I mean, picking up a street walker even in the 1960s was illegal in Montreal and could get you arrested, non? I know that is how it was for me in the 1990s.

Well prostitution ever go away? Will ANY politician anywhere in the world get rid of prostitution?
Common guys....

You guys could do better in trying to outsmart me... You guys aint that dumb...
 
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All this shit is making me laugh, as if Montreal was ever some type of center of debauchery and sin. Montreal has never been anything other than a second or third class sex destination and the stuff that anyone "cleaned up" is just the disappearance of street walkers (who have disappeared everywhere). Strip clubs have shut down everywhere an the Angels have given the business up as being largely unprofitable. The remnants are what they are. The sex scene in Montreal with respect to clubs and such hasn't had anything different happen to it than has happened pretty much anywhere else in Canada. People generally have simply lost interest in it. The street scene? St Jacques, Ste Catherines East and the stuff out around Frontenac etc have disappeared because there's no interest in it anymore. Brothels exist the same way they always have. None of this has a fucking thing to do with anyone's initiative to "clean anything up" apart from someone trying to make political points on something that was happening anyway. Someone can step in and say C-36 did something if they like, but for people who know their way around it hasn't changed a fucking thing. Hawkins if you think the sex scene in the 80's and 90's was underground you're either full of shit or weren't alive to see any of it (EDIT. I see that you're 32. If that's real you have no idea what you're talking about). CLOUD, the money wastage didn't come from Coderre. It came from Drapeau and just kept on coming. He single handedly destroyed Montreal's financial health. "No more than a man can have a baby". Remember that?

Now, if people want to talk about the evolution of nightlife, well then, that's different, because Montreal fucked itself in the ass for nightlife in ways that are actually unique to the locale. That's a different conversation though.
 
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Coderre did not clean anything up. He wanted to shut down the MPs and stripclubs and I despise him for that. Do something useful. Instead build resources for the homeless. Fix the city's infrastructure like the potholes. And not waste money on the the Formula E race. The dummy removed the highway that went from the Ville-Marie tunnel directly to the Bonaventure Expressway, he placed useless urban boulevard in his effort to make Montreal a World Class City. The guy was arrogant but he had no vision.

In still wanna have fun with you...
Whether Coderre cleaned up the seediness scene is irrelevant to what you whine and bitch about regarding Trudeau, wokeness and the libs trying to jokingly and embarrassingly on your part, trying to encourage homosexuality... And your whining about Montreal being boring because Montreal is no longer a degenerate city. Then you tried to back pedal when another poster questioned you on your choice of words... Just like you did with me. But I keep on harping on you. Because Im bored and I like to put you on the hot seat. Big Boy... Must be the woke libs encouraging me to be homosexual... Putting you on the hot seat...

Its a good thing that families from the USA want to visit Montreal and to visit La Banquise for poutine and Schwartz's for smoked meat rather than sexy serveuse restaurants. There was one on Hochelega street on Viau I think, next to the Royal Bank. It hasnt been a Royal bank since forever and way way before there was ever a sexy serveuse joint there...
But this is what you want from Montreal? Really? I am too proud of a Montrealer to want that kind of seediness. Yeah...I experienced all that stuff in my 20s, but then I grew up and realized that all that sexual activity should exist, sex is natural, prostitution is the oldest profession, but it be best that it remain a mystery to the masses.

Anyway...Coderre had his own issues as a mayor, but he did want the Expos back And that would also be a good thing. But remember, in the cocaine fueled 80s, many Expos young stars screwed up their careers. Tim Raines comes to mind. The Habs also had problems with their vedettes, Kordic comes to mind...
Yeah...that kind of stuff NEEDS to be hidden... Or do I need to remind you that the Kostistyn brothers also succombed to that seedy lifestyle full of drugs, prostitutes and underground criminality figures.
I digress again, but Montreal's ways had gotten waaaaaay out of hand and in needed to be rolled back. Family friendly tourism needed to flourish. Montreal was in a bad spot.

Expos...Coderre had a hand along with Cromartie to at least have the MLB talk about us again...

You mentioned Formula E.
Did you know that the Formula E racing circuit is a success story in 2026 and only getting more popular?
Talk about NIMBYs...

I remember that the same NIMBYs in that SAME neighborhood also did NOT want to Jacques Cartier Bridge to close for the fameaux fireworks waaaay back in the 1980s...
And look at the firworks today in 2026. A VERY popular family friendly touristic event... And wouldnt you know it...prostitutes worked all along Ontario and Ste Catherine street at and near the Jacques Cartier Bridge... And this is near to where the Formula E race would also be, right?

I personally wished that we HAD the Formula E race. And seeing how escorts not only from the Montreal region are busy, but escorts from ALL over the world come here for the race. Imagine how many MORE escorts would be in this city if we ALSO had the Formula E race? Keep in mind...THIS is the kind of personality YOU want from our city... Prostitute exposure.

I want the Expos back and I want the Formula E race just because Montreal is also a sports city. Its not just the Habs. And its false to say that winning teams ONLY succeed here, I also want the NBA to come to Montreal. Now imagine all the escorts the NBA will bring???!!! The NFL might be too rich for us though. Not yet...we need to grow our city to at least 6 million for the NFL to be able to succeed here. A more billionnaire money, but the good billionnaires. Not the ones in the Epstein files. Although we do have some of those types in our city... Im digressing again.

Back to Coderre...

By God man, he hasnt been our mayor in a decade. Lots of changes were made by madame Plante that surpasses what Coderre did and did not do... Trudeau....Coderre... the 60s... You really like living in the past, dont you?
 
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Montreal has never been anything other than a second or third class sex destination
It depends on what destination you want to compare Montreal to.

As far as North America goes, Montreal held its own, and still does, as a sex scene city.

is just the disappearance of street walkers (who have disappeared everywhere)
Yeah well...Coderre had a hand in that, And prostitution will never go away. But Cloud 500 is whining that Montreal is boring.
The night life of Montreal...

Now, if people want to talk about the evolution of nightlife, well then, that's different, because Montreal fucked itself in the ass for nightlife in ways that are actually unique to the locale. That's a different conversation though

There are many things as to why Montreal does not have a vibrant night life. I wouldnt know... Im 53. I havent been out clubbing since the early 2000s. Read ALL of my posts and never you mind of what I may have written as what my birthday is for the website...

Someone can step in and say C-36 did something if they like, but for people who know their way around it hasn't changed a fucking thing. Hawkins if you think the sex scene in the 80's and 90's was underground you're either full of shit or weren't alive to see any of it (EDIT. I see that you're 32. If that's real you have no idea what you're talking about
Read all of my posts...I have references in there that would clue you in as to how old I am and how the Montreal sex scene was in the 1990s.

Montreal is a fine city. It has evolved into something that it always was. And it has remained as is to what it has always been.

The sex scene in Montreal with respect to clubs and such hasn't had anything different happen to it than has happened pretty much anywhere else in Canada. People generally have simply lost interest in it. The street scene? St Jacques, Ste Catherines East and the stuff out around Frontenac etc have disappeared because there's no interest in it anymore

The bolded parts... The world has changed in the ways we as older folk cannot see. The young folk still fuck. The young folk still seek nakedness. In ways that are not familiar to us older folk. In other ways that we are very familiar with also.

Someone can step in and say C-36 did something if they like, but for people who know their way around it hasn't changed a fucking thing.

And that is what I have been saying ALL ALONG... Except I am on Cloud 500's case of being an ass because he thinks Trudeau and the Libs made us woke...

The whole fucking planet is trying to change its ways of thinking. Ironically enough...Cloud 500's swinging 60s hippy movement started that change... Trudeau Justin is a Gen Xer... Hippys are boomers...
Some of those Boomers became right wing nutters and the we are in this situation we are in in 2026. Covid exploded the nuttiness. But the nuttiness always existed in the shadows way before Covid.

But yeah...Montreal will always remain a party city. That is NOT going away. Ever. Students need a break from studying and Montreal still has the bars to keep them relaxed. And thanx to Trudeau, legalization of marijuana is also a thing that Montreal students do. And possibly more than drinking. And Montreal students like to get naked and explore sexuality. Just as much as past generations did. The partys might be different as to what older folk know. But they sure do exist. Keep in mind that Montreal has a bigger student body and MORE post secondary schools than Boston has. And Montreal is not a puritanical city that Boston was and still possibly is?

So...Ill ask..what the fuck is Cloud 500 bitchin' about. That Montreal is not a vibrant city? Its mo0re vibrant than what Miami has become as of late. Last year's March break in Miami was a dud, as I heard over the internets and the young folk that I work with. And NOTHING to do with Elbows up either. The mayor of Miami was fed up of the drunkeness of the march breakers and passed some laws to limit congregations or something like that.
Las Vegas is begging for Canadian tourists as we speak. Sin City USA and it looks like Montreal is out-sinning Vegas right about now...

So why are we bitchin' and hatin' and calling Montreal a 2nd rate and 3rd rate sex city?

All because of 1 fucking ad on radio to be aware of sexual exploitation of little girls? Because there is also heat from all the talks of the Epstein files that are happeneing in the world and not just the US?

I have steered this conversation in a million directions... But I aint the one that is unhinged. Ya'll lost your realities...

Ill be erasing these posts tomorrow. Ill be leaving them up for now and for the next 24 hours for everybody else to read them, because I think its rather funnny... You guys have your opinions and I have mine. Althiough Im fucking over the right wing talking points. I fucking HATE that shit!!!
But id rather be anonymous again.
But it was fun rockin all of yours world...
 
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Montreal will always remain a party city.
Montreal hasn't been a party city for about 15 years. It has been steadily declining over that time and continues to do so. Vibrant? Please. It used to be. It's not anymore.

So why are we bitchin' and hatin' and calling Montreal a 2nd rate and 3rd rate sex city?
Because it is. That's not hating on it. That's just recognizing a cold hard fact. It doesn't matter, because if we live here then we deal with what is, not what we'd like it to be. That doesn't change the fact, anymore than saying that the DR has better beaches than Montreal or that Paris has better Museums. Different places are better at different things. Montreal is not and never has been a premier sex destination. It used to be a premier night life destination but it no longer is. That does not mean that Montreal doesn't have other things going for it.

The rest I'm going to ignore as late night drivel.
 
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