Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[EagerBeaver]

Ahh okay. I must be wrong. Perhaps an American can shed some light on this.

Everything is very under the radar and there are various sites that have replaced the ones taken off line. I can provide links to these sites but I think it's against MERB rules. On those sites, there aren't links to agency websites but in many cases pics and a phone number. That leads you to what is in essence an agency.

There are and always have been tons of Russian agencies in NYC. Running MPs and escorts. It's all very overpriced but around 10 years ago when I was still active I found some good ones in NYC, higher end escorts for $600/hour. Probably a lot more now.

There was always an agency scene in NYC and it was always very under the radar.

 

[Julia Sky]

I dunno about that. Bad clients got banned. Sam blocked many of them. Very judgemental.

XO was great till the last year when drugs ruined it for how the agency was being managed. I remember two reviews in 2024 where it was reported that the girl was under the influence. XO went down in 2024.

That brings us back to my first reply in this thread. Most of us are not in the business of breaking our colleagues trust or jeopardizing their safety, but understand one thing :

I'll believe the words of colleagues who worked for them over the impressions of the clients they were selling a fantasy to. If XO was so great until 2024, then why did we get distressed messages from colleagues asking for help before that? Why was a "great agency" hiring minors (as early as 2017 which is many years before you claim it went downhill)?

 

[TheJames101]

Wow. “They will make up to you” by what ?! Making the girl works for free to you ?
God. I have work for agencies and let me tell you that it was hell. Very happy to be independent and have boundaries set for myself and not set by a guy.
Sex work is expensive. If you don’t have the money for it don’t do it.
God this thread makes me soooooo mad

I think for the most part (not who you were responding to, and a couple others) the folks in this thread are supportive of the rights of sex workers and are dismayed at what apparently went on at xo - some people may not be able to separate fantasy from reality though.
One hopes it is not the case at the other big 3 or 4 agencies in Montreal, but only the girls really know - and who knows if they are willing or able to tell.

 

[LC18]

It takes a lot for a client to be banned from an agency, owners like money way too much to pass on an opportunity to make some

Difficult clients are usually just sent to another girl until no one wants to see them, then they’re banned. Unless it’s something terrible, they’re usually given many chances

Same for clients that have been rejected by a lot of indies, they’ll just end up booking agencies because it’s easier

 

[LC18]

En tout cas je pense que les autres agences vont marcher les fesses serrées comme on dit

 

[boboi]

Wow. “They will make up to you” by what ?! Making the girl works for free to you ?
God. I have work for agencies and let me tell you that it was hell. Very happy to be independent and have boundaries set for myself and not set by a guy.
Sex work is expensive. If you don’t have the money for it don’t do it.
God this thread makes me soooooo mad

Again shaming men...we are either called abusive or broke or gay hahah

 

[CLOUD 500]

That brings us back to my first reply in this thread. Most of us are not in the business of breaking our colleagues trust or jeopardizing their safety, but understand one thing :

I'll believe the words of colleagues who worked for them over the impressions of the clients they were selling a fantasy to. If XO was so great until 2024, then why did we get distressed messages from colleagues asking for help before that? Why was a "great agency" hiring minors (as early as 2017 which is many years before you claim it went downhill)?

You can believe who you want, that is your right. Minors? As per the article there was one. And you dunno the context. You seem to got the same mentality that the media portreys that all men are the devil and all the girls are victims. Do you know the context? This girl likely came with fake IDs, very likely very well made. She knew what she was doing. This reminds me of a situation were O'Gascon had their license suspended because they apparently had a minor. The father made a complaint. But this girl came with very well made fake IDs. O'Gascon asks for two IDs. Why is it the clubs fault?

 

[nothinghere]

That’s what you took from that article? Not the fact that women were exploited and that the agency didn’t mind hiring a minor?

That should be rephrased "Not the fact that women were "hired" and that the agency didn't mind "exploiting" a minor"
Bill C36 is scary, by its own wording many of us would be in jail for 100s of years plus immense fines.
Yea articles like that with "invisible police" makes me paranoid as F.

 

[CLOUD 500]

That should be rephrased "Not the fact that women were "hired" and that the agency didn't mind "exploiting" a minor"
Bill C36 is scary, by its own wording many of us would be in jail for 100s of years plus immense fines.
Yea articles like that with "invisible police" makes me paranoid as F.

That was the goal of the bill to incite fear. They want to discourage prostitution.

 

[Julia Sky]

You seem to got the same mentality that the media portreys that all men are the devil and all the girls are victims.

That is not something I've said, at all. I also have an issue with female pimps and know that male victims also exist. Argument rejeté

One minor is already too much and this isn't the only thing that went wrong. But we're going in circles. You (not all men, let me be clear) are part of the 2nd group of people I mentioned earlier, clearly. There's no point continuing this conversation as you won't change my mind and I won't change yours

 

[transatlantic]

I'm curious.....If Google translate is correct, it's saying the undercover escort quit on her first day after the 3rd "client" as those 3 clients were all undercover. How did they ensure a real john didn't book one for those early slots?

I've been a customer with XO since they first started. How far they have fallen if they did commit these allegations. Is is unsuitable business model (expenses exceed revenue) or ultimately just plain greed?

Finally this should be a wakeup call agencies to consider not even going into the 18-20 market. It represents an elevated risk that can bring down the entire operation.

 

[LeDodo]

I'm curious.....If Google translate is correct, it's saying the undercover escort quit on her first day after the 3rd "client" as those 3 clients were all undercover. How did they ensure a real john didn't book one for those early slots?

Had exactly the same thought.

I would assume that if one of the 3 agents were not aligned, the lady would simply call off at the non agent client.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

Regarding the alleged presence of a 17-year old at the agency and to elaborate on @CLOUD 500 point. There is a recent precedent in the public record where a man was accused of buying sexual services from a minor who had convincingly lied to him about her age, claiming to be 18. The man was acquitted. While I know nothing about the specifics of age verification in escort agencies, I simply wanted to highlight that there is a precedent of a minor who lied about her age to offer her sexual services while claiming to be an adult.

Source: https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...nalisation-inquietante-de-la-prostitution.php

 

[CLOUD 500]

Everything is very under the radar and there are various sites that have replaced the ones taken off line. I can provide links to these sites but I think it's against MERB rules. On those sites, there aren't links to agency websites but in many cases pics and a phone number. That leads you to what is in essence an agency.

There are and always have been tons of Russian agencies in NYC. Running MPs and escorts. It's all very overpriced but around 10 years ago when I was still active I found some good ones in NYC, higher end escorts for $600/hour. Probably a lot more now.

There was always an agency scene in NYC and it was always very under the radar.

Ahh okay that is good to know.

 

[interferon]

Again shaming men...we are either called abusive or broke or gay hahah

Don't think calling someone gay is "shaming" them. (But that's aother topic)

 

[CLOUD 500]

Regarding the alleged presence of a 17-year old at the agency and to elaborate on @CLOUD 500 point. There is a recent precedent in the public record where a man was accused of buying sexual services from a minor who had convincingly lied to him about her age, claiming to be 18. The man was acquitted. While I know nothing about the specifics of age verification in escort agencies, I simply wanted to highlight that there is a precedent of a minor who lied about her age to offer her sexual services while claiming to be an adult.

Source: https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...nalisation-inquietante-de-la-prostitution.php

Great find. See not all things are black and white the way the media like to protray it. This man clearly was not there seeking a minor but he was lied to. This is something to learn from whenever going on Seeking or any other site make sure to to ensure the girl is not a minor.

 

[skarsga]

I'm sad that this happened, but glad that truth is coming forward.
I think the pendulum probably will swing to the other direction in a bad way.

 

[CLOUD 500]

That is not something I've said, at all. I also have an issue with female pimps and know that male victims also exist. Argument rejeté

One minor is already too much and this isn't the only thing that went wrong. But we're going in circles. You (not all men, let me be clear) are part of the 2nd group of people I mentioned earlier, clearly. There's no point continuing this conversation as you won't change my mind and I won't change yours

You totally missed my point.

Acquittement d’un « sugar daddy » | La juge dénonce une « banalisation inquiétante de la prostitution »

C’est l’histoire d’une ado de 15 ans qui ment pour se faire de l’argent rapidement et d’un « sugar daddy » prêt à « soutenir » une « sugar baby » pour du sexe. Mais c’est surtout une illustration malheureuse de la « banalisation inquiétante de la prostitution et de la glorification de la...

www.lapresse.ca

^^^^ This article posted by Anthony is the kind of thing I am talking about.

 

[Julia Sky]

You totally missed my point.

Acquittement d’un « sugar daddy » | La juge dénonce une « banalisation inquiétante de la prostitution »

C’est l’histoire d’une ado de 15 ans qui ment pour se faire de l’argent rapidement et d’un « sugar daddy » prêt à « soutenir » une « sugar baby » pour du sexe. Mais c’est surtout une illustration malheureuse de la « banalisation inquiétante de la prostitution et de la glorification de la...

www.lapresse.ca

^^^^ This article posted by Anthony is the kind of thing I am talking about.

You'd think someone operating a prostitution agency would ask for ID and take steps to ensure said ID is legit. This article talks about a sugar daddy believing words he was told, which isn't the same situation as a pimp being utterly careless. Both situations suck but they are not comparable

 

[kstanb]

Reasons to worry go beyond criminal liability. People were arrested and there might be a trial. Who knows what the prosecutors will submit as evidence. We know they have all the numbers and if they are used in the trial they become part of the public record

who's phone is in the XO list?

how many phone numbers?