Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[Julia Sky]

XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen

Read the room.

My understanding from several girls was they checked IDs before hiring.

Are yoy sure? Because Clementine said the exact opposite. They never bothered asking for her ID or age.

Also, never met a single XO girl who looked drugged up.

Maybe not visibly. Maybe you didn't notice. To believe drug use doesn't happen in an environment where women are pressured to see 10-12 clients a day is naive at best. Plenty of people can function normally on drugs. Take a look at doctors and cooks for example.

XO girls stood out because almost all (90%+) appeared comfortable with their work.

I'm certain some were but where do you get 90% from? Is "appear" the key word here?


There was a report of a "trafficked" girl from Toronto.

But there is no indication that it was the agency doing the coercion. Might have been a pimp BF doing it.

Why would she have called the cops on a Montreal agency if her abuser was her bf back home in Toronto?

there were also many signs the girls were well treated. Many stayed for long periods of time.

Plenty of people stay in abusive situations due to lack of ressources, fear and coercion

 

[Dorkhat]

XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen

Was a client there for the entire ten years.

1. Never saw a single girl that resembled a minor.

My understanding from several girls was they checked IDs before hiring.
Not saying that a 17 year old did not sneak in.
But this would have been rare.
it was not an agency practice.

In fact, as with all agencies, most of the girls were 2-5 years older than advertised.

2. Also, never met a single XO girl who looked drugged up.
Won't say it did not happen.
Dope is everywhere.
But you did not notice it at the client level.

3. Saw zero signs of "trafficking."

XO girls stood out because almost all (90%+) appeared comfortable with their work.
There was a report of a "trafficked" girl from Toronto.
But there is no indication that it was the agency doing the coercion.
Might have been a pimp BF doing it.

4. There were also many signs the girls were well treated. Many stayed for long periods of time.

*****

Things declined somewhat during the last 2-3 years.
Escorting is an opaque business.
Over ten years, a dozen+ or so employees, hundreds of SPs .... lots of things happen.

However IMHO on the whole for most of the time it was in business (excluding Eleganza) ....

....XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen.

Ouf. If be shaking right now if I was a client of theirs. Especially if you've been there for ten years and now know all this info.

Btw, you declaring you saw them here, I hope you are using a VPN. If not, gg on the easy confession

 

[Smokemeal2]

XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen

Was a client there for the entire ten years.

1. Never saw a single girl that resembled a minor.

My understanding from several girls was they checked IDs before hiring.
Not saying that a 17 year old did not sneak in.
But this would have been rare.
it was not an agency practice.

In fact, as with all agencies, most of the girls were 2-5 years older than advertised.

2. Also, never met a single XO girl who looked drugged up.
Won't say it did not happen.
Dope is everywhere.
But you did not notice it at the client level.

3. Saw zero signs of "trafficking."

XO girls stood out because almost all (90%+) appeared comfortable with their work.
There was a report of a "trafficked" girl from Toronto.
But there is no indication that it was the agency doing the coercion.
Might have been a pimp BF doing it.

4. There were also many signs the girls were well treated. Many stayed for long periods of time.

*****

Things declined somewhat during the last 2-3 years.
Escorting is an opaque business.
Over ten years, a dozen+ or so employees, hundreds of SPs .... lots of things happen.

However IMHO on the whole for most of the time it was in business (excluding Eleganza) ....

....XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen.

I had the same experience as you.

Because, like me, you were a client of the first version of XO. Run by Sam. He was not perfect, but everything went downhill after he had to leave.

Please, someone, correct me if we are wrong.

 

[powtvani]

I had the same experience as you.

Because, like me, you were a client of the first version of XO. Run by Sam. He was not perfect, but everything went downhill after he had to leave.

Please, someone, correct me if we are wrong.

According to the article, the main ring leader accused is a guy named "Sam".

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I had the same experience as you.

Because, like me, you were a client of the first version of XO. Run by Sam. He was not perfect, but everything went downhill after he had to leave.

Please, someone, correct me if we are wrong.

I don't want to name anyone but as we all mentioned, the employer of XO was abusive, coercive, assaulted girls, drugged girls, threatened to out girls, etc.

I also heard that XO was different at first, like many other agencies 10-15 years ago.. Things went downhill. That's how it usually goes. An abusive workplace environement isn't established right away, kinda like an abusive relationship. I had a friend who started in the industry at a popular place before the pandemic.. The climate was already toxic back then, but it became worse and worse, with rape & trafficking allegations, minors being present etc.

Agency and spa employers aren't your friends. You're their clients, they want your money. Of course they aren't going to be an asshole to you and tell you they are abusing girls.

 

[EagerBeaver]

....XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen.

My vote would go to IN and Eleganza, although Eleganza ironically suffered a similar fate to XO. I did use XO a few times, but not since 2017 or so.

All agencies tend to go downhill usually after 5 years or so. Same thing as TV shows, they "Jump the Shark."

 

[Julia Sky]

I had the same experience as you.

Because, like me, you were a client of the first version of XO. Run by Sam. He was not perfect, but everything went downhill after he had to leave.

Please, someone, correct me if we are wrong.

Did you even check the article? And Clémentine's testimony?

I swear some of you are doing gymnastics to try to protect your conscience for the sake of your penis. Shame on you.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

According to the article, the main ring leader accused is a guy named "Sam".

From what friends told me it was the same person all along

 

[Julia Sky]

From what friends told me it was the same person all along

It was. I know not only from what friends told us, but also from the fact that Sam himself messaged me in recent years to ask for social media advice for his agency.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

XO girls stood out because almost all (90%+) appeared comfortable with their work.

Are you saying that because 90% of them "appeared" comfortable, it's reasonable that the remaining 10% could be abused because the majority is fine? 100% of the women working in an agency should be treated like queens and be (and not simply appear) comfortable doing their job.

Your "understanding" and what "appeared" are no facts.

Even if a client saw one provider at some point during her time with an agency, doesn't mean things didn't go downhill afterward.

But indeed, considering all the agencies in Montreal, most of the time the experience of both the provider and the client should be positive. As I said above, this story only reminds us that exploitation is closer to us than we think and as a client, you probably have met at least one girl that has been affected by the abuse and violence in her agency without knowing it.

 

[Gazoo64]

I had the same experience as you.

Because, like me, you were a client of the first version of XO. Run by Sam. He was not perfect, but everything went downhill after he had to leave.

Please, someone, correct me if we are wrong.

No, that’s not correct, according to what I heard. It’s the other way around!

He only “had to leave” after they got busted and the agency closed.

From what I heard, early on when it started 2015, XO was a decent agency.

In the last 2-3 years, it went downhill (2022-24). Drugs, orgies, forcing girls to participate in orgies and having sex, coercion, PLUS all the stuff mentioned in the article.

 

[mauricevachon]

Did you watch the video from the girl who reported them? She clearly says that they didn't check and care of her ID.

To the average viewer Clementine is highly attractive and convincing.

However to anyone who is familiar with the hobby it is clear she is lying at least twice.

1. She says that when she joined Seeking Arrangement (at 19) she did not realize that clients would be expecting sex.

2. More important she says that when she joined XO (which an SA client referred her to) that Sam told her she would not have to have sex with clients.

Sam was many things.
But he was not a time waster.
He would never have told a girl that.

*****

Clementine comes from a good family and social network.
She was caught, by her Dad (who posed as a client), literally in the act of prostitution.
She thus has a real need to justify her past actions.

Blaming it all on others is one way to do that.

She lied twice; but more important, much of the rest of what she says is not fully credible either.
(That XO "forced" her to see clients. She could have walked out at anytime. Never once saw anyone watching these girls).

Ses agresseurs arrêtés | Agence d’escortes démantelée à Montréal: une des victimes témoigne

Écoutez le témoignage de Clémentine, 26 ans, victime d exploitation sexuelle, mercredi à Radio textos avec Marie Eve Tremblay.

www.985fm.ca

 

[Lunaseraphim]

It was. I know not only from what friends told us, but also from the fact that Sam himself messaged me in recent years to ask for social media advice for his agency.

Interesting. We also know things about agency & spa owners because they book providers including indies and tell us things or have abusive behavior toward us.. let's just put it that way.

Are you saying that because 90% of them "appeared" comfortable, it's reasonable that the remaining 10% could be abused because the majority is fine? 100% of the women working in an agency should be treated like queens and be (and not simply appear) comfortable doing their job.

Your "understanding" and what "appeared" are no facts.

Even if a client saw one provider at some point during her time with an agency, doesn't mean things didn't go downhill afterward.

But indeed, considering all the agencies in Montreal, most of the time the experience of both the provider and the client should be positive. As I said above, this story only reminds us that exploitation is closer to us than we think and as a client, you probably have met at least one girl that has been affected by the abuse and violence in her agency without knowing it.

I think it's so funny that people who have been in ''the hobby'' (lol) for a long time don't realize the pressure of clients and employers on us to act a certain way. If we look unhappy, we risk getting fired, or getting a bad review, or both.

 

[Julia Sky]

(That XO "forced" her to see clients. She could have walked out at anytime. Never once saw anyone watching these girls).

The person who told her she wouldnt need to have sex was initially the "sugar daddy" who told her about the agency. Not Sam. The agency on the other hand probably did sell her the illusion that she wouldn't have to do anything she's not comfortable with. If you claim they didnt do that either we have another problem.

As for nobody watching, lol, lmao even. I myself applied to an agency when I was 18 and was told there would always be someone in the unit right across or right next to the unit I'd work from. And what about the client in this very thread who confirms (and wrote it in a review months ago) that he saw Sam and the other guy watch him on his last encounter when he arrived and when he left ?

 

[sigyn]

To the average viewer Clementine is highly attractive and convincing.

However to anyone who is familiar with the hobby it is clear she is lying at least twice.

1. She says that when she joined Seeking Arrangement (at 19) she did not realize that clients would be expecting sex.

2. More important she says that when she joined XO (which an SA client referred her to) that Sam told her she would not have to have sex with clients.

Sam was many things.
But he was not a time waster.
He would never have told a girl that.

*****

Clementine comes from a good family and social network.
She thus has a real need to justify her past actions.
Blaming it all on others is one way to do that.

She lied twice; but more important, much of the rest of what she says is not fully credible either.
(That XO "forced" her to see clients. She could have walked out at anytime. Never once saw anyone watching these girls).

Ses agresseurs arrêtés | Agence d’escortes démantelée à Montréal: une des victimes témoigne

Écoutez le témoignage de Clémentine, 26 ans, victime d exploitation sexuelle, mercredi à Radio textos avec Marie Eve Tremblay.

www.985fm.ca

Even if that is the case, which I don't believe it is, it still wouldn’t invalidated experiences other SP have shared about the immoral practices that go on in the industry. I find it disheartening that people are trying to rationalize away

 

[LeDodo]

Plenty of people stay in abusive situations due to lack of ressources, fear and coercion

Clémentine even said at the end of her interview that she was lucky to have been surrounded by her family and friends giving her the support to speak out.

She also stressed that not only courage is needed but support plays a strong role in speaking out.

There are lot of people in abusive situations who just don't know the next steps, who they could turn to to speak, etc.

The mindset to think they have the choice to just walk away is merely simplifying and diminishing the situation.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

To the average viewer Clementine is highly attractive and convincing.

However to anyone who is familiar with the hobby it is clear she is lying at least twice.

1. She says that when she joined Seeking Arrangement (at 19) she did not realize that clients would be expecting sex.

2. More important she says that when she joined XO (which an SA client referred her to) that Sam told her she would not have to have sex with clients.

Sam was many things.
But he was not a time waster.
He would never have told a girl that.

Dude, you are naive. She is NOT lying.

I know a fuck ton of girls who joined Seeking Arrangements and believed they wouldn't have to have sex with men. A lot of young girls who are in the sugar baby scene lie to other girls about what they're doing because they are ashamed. Even last year, a friend of mine told me that her friend is a sugar baby and ''made tons of money just for going to restaurants with men'' lol I told her she was lied to about it.

Even when I was younger, I was tempted to find a sugar daddy because I was under the impression that I wouldn't have to have sex with him. That is also the way these websites do their branding and the reputation they try to maintain. It's deceptive for the girls.

''he is not a time waster'' maybe but he is a liar and a manipulator LOL even when you join MP, they tell you ''you don't have to do anything you don't want to do with clients''.. Anyone who's naive will fall for it and end up getting caught up at the end of the day, or they know it's a lie.

It's also that you can tell in this interview that this girl is ashamed of having been an escort and that is what they are focusing on. She initially didn't want to do this, but you can read between the lines and understand that she was naive and in need of attention and easily manipulated and pushed.. It wasn't hard to get her to do these things. She explains it very well, she lacked self esteem and felt lonely and wanted validation.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Clémentine even said at the end of her interview that she was lucky to have been surrounded by her family and friends giving her the support to speak out.

She also stressed that not only courage is needed but support plays a strong role in speaking out.

There are lot of people in abusive situations who just don't know the next steps, who they could turn to to speak, etc.

The mindset to think they have the choice to just walk away is merely simplifying and diminishing the situation.

It's also that Clémentine is a ''perfect victim'' in this case. She isn't actively working as an escort and she did not join fully aware of what was going to happen. A lot of women experienced abuse in this industry, but they are still working, either as indies or for MP or agencies. These women will not be seen with such kind eyes.

 

[mauricevachon]

Are you saying that because 90% of them "appeared" comfortable, it's reasonable that the remaining 10% could be abused because the majority is fine? 100% of the women working in an agency should be treated like queens and be (and not simply appear) comfortable doing their job.

Abuse is intolerable under any conditions.

That said, many escorts are not fully comfortable with their work.

These include:
Lesbians, girls working their first shifts, girls at the end of their shifts, girls on drugs, girls cheating on their boyfriends, girls who used to work at MPs who are not comfortable moving to GFE, girls who work because they are desperate for money (single mothers) etc...

It"s not always due to abuse.

I think it's so funny that people who have been in ''the hobby'' (lol) for a long time don't realize the pressure of clients and employers on us to act a certain way. If we look unhappy, we risk getting fired, or getting a bad review, or both.

Escorting is in many ways a performance art.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Escorting is in many ways a performance art.

It sure is. But that also means you can't know for sure if someone is happy at their work place just because ''they seem to be''.

Also there is a difference between someone who isn't comfortable with their work and choosing to do it anyways on their own terms, and somebody who is being exploited and abused.
It's very very easy to understand the difference. lol

SITUATION A
Cindy is a lesbian, but she chooses to work as an escort independently, and she works at a massage parlor one day a week. She is not attracted to men and does not enjoy the work, but it brings her good money, she gets to choose clients who are clean and respectful, and she sets her own boundaries. Nobody is exploiting her, her boss at the parlor doesn't force her to see clients she doesn't want to see, doesn't try to have sex with her and gives her good working conditions.

SITUATION B
Karine is an escort who works for an agency. Her clients are aggressive and regularly try to coerce her into bbfs, but her boss doesn't care. If she is sick, she may have to pay 500$ out of her own pocket if she doesn't show up. Once, her employer put xanax in her drink, God knows what happened to her later. She is routinely told to get skinnier and her boss tries to give her cocaine to manage her weight. Karine wishes she could work independently or change agencies, but the boss threatens to out her to her family if she quits and tells her she will never succeed anywhere else.

Do you see the difference?