I agree that perspectives from multiple angles are important, but I would say this is far from an unbiased one. That's normal, though - how could it be?
Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning
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I agree that perspectives from multiple angles are important, but I would say this is far from an unbiased one. That's normal, though - how could it be?
I wish you all didn't have to deal with so many people that invalidate you all and say so many irritating things to you all.
Some man on this thread: an opinion that agrees with mine. Finally an unbiased opinion!
The fact that the media wants to portray SWrs as passive victims and clients as predators doesn't make this story false. Also two things can be true. Someone can choose to be a sex worker, and still get abused or exploited sometimes or often. Someone can have good clients, but maybe had a lot negative experiences when she started like everyone here is saying. Predatory clients exist and it is something we need to talk about, to improve the situation for everyone involved.
We only have one side of the story but for being a service provider myself, for having received testimonies, for knowing people who have worked in agencies, I will choose to believe the victims
Je ne défend pas XO comme j'ai mentionné, mais l'industrie. Je ne peux pas concevoir que les filles disent qu'elles sont retenues en otage presque dans les agences quand ce n'est pas le cas. Je suis content que XO soit fermé parce que dans la dernière année le propriétaire n'était vraiment pas correct avec les filles comme j'ai mentionné également. Mais cette histoire met toutes les agences dans le même bateau et ce n'est pas le cas.
Mais comment sais-tu que ce n’est pas vrai? Ça m’est arrivé de me faire retenir de force dans une voiture pendant un outcall. Pas avec une agence, pas à Montréal non plus.
Pourquoi tu préfères croire ceux qui ont été arrêtés plutôt que celles qui ont dénoncé?
As-tu une mère? Une sœur? Une fille? Une cousine à la rigueur…
Economic systems aren't about who works and who doesn't work. They are about who has the power. A society or organization can have the top acting as dictators or the bottom being the main drive. Unfortunately in most countries including so called communist countries the people at the bottom don't have much power. In a top down organization you have to be super careful what you say so you don't lose your job. It would be more ethical if the women actually working were the ones with the most power as they are the most necessary factor in the agency. Women shouldn't have to live in fear of saying the wrong thing, fear of being blackmailed, etc. They should be allowed to put their mental and physical health first.
On the west coast there used to be two peep shows run by the women themselves and were more ethical. I don't remember all the details but I have met women that used to work there.
Parce que je connais plusieurs filles qui étaient là à ce moment là. Cette fille demandait plus de client et elle aimait son travail. Comme j'ai dit tant mieux si XO est fermé parce que l'agence n'est pas blanche comme neige, mais ce qui a été dit dans cet entrevu et faux.
Je suis vraiment désolé pour ce qui t'es arrivée pendant ton outcall ça a du être une terrible expérience pour toi, je ne souhaite ça à personne.
Personne ne met toutes les agences dans le même bateau. La majorité des gens parlent surtout de XO et de leurs expériences là-bas
Je comprends que tu veuilles défendre l’industrie, mais ça ne veut pas dire qu’il faut remettre en question ou minimiser ce que d’autres filles ont vécu.
Le problème dans ce thread, c’est justement que certaines expériences sont mises de côté simplement parce que d’autres ne les ont pas vues ou vécues.
Pourtant, des situations difficiles, ça arrive partout, j’en ai vécu moi-même dans plusieurs endroits (agressions, condom brisé, clients qui ne respectent pas, clients qui partent sans payer, client qui OD dans la chambre … et etc.), et malgré ça on devait continuer à travailler comme si de rien n’était.
Même quand un client partait avec l’argent après l’acte, il m’est arrivé de devoir quand même payer ma cut et ça, je l’ai vécu à plusieurs endroits.
Donc oui, toutes les agences ne sont pas pareilles, mais ignorer des expériences simplement parce qu’on ne les a pas vues, c’est exactement comme ça que certaines réalités restent invisibles.
Au final, personne n’a la vision complète, donc c’est important de laisser de la place à toutes les voix.
T’es vraiment off topic, et tu dis que ça dérape! Lmao
Ah ok désolée je ne savais pas que de demander plus de clients voulait dire qu’on mérite de se faire battre. Mon erreur…
Is there something the community could do to prevent something like this to ever happen again?
Merci pour ton commentaire qui est très professionel. Je ne minimise pas ce que les filles ont vécu au contraire je suis à 100% avec les filles quand c'est véridique. Ce qui me travaille dans cet histoire, c'est que cette fille la précisément n'a pas vécu ce qu'elle dit (Thanks god parce que ça aurait été épouvantable). Je n'ai pas de misère à croire qu'elle a eu des clients moins agréable que d'autres ce qui n'est pas correcte du tout et des clients comme ça ne devraient pas exister, mais de manière générale elle aimait son travail et décidait elle même le nombre de clients qu'elle voulait. Des filles qui travaillaient à ce moment là peuvent en témoigner, mais malheureusement personne ne veut se 'mouiller'. C'est également pour cette raison que j'ai créé ce profil il y a 1h environ.
Don’t under estimate the power of such a paper on the public’s mind. If the article reaches its goal, (by creaing a strong reaction), the public could start to pressure authorities to take more serious actions against the escort agencies and the sex work scene in general.
You really think that was an unbiased opinion from an agency owner lol.
I have a bridge to sell you.
I will agree that it is easy to play the victim and preferable so that your friends and family will not have a negative opinion of you.
Having said that it is also very plausible that a young naive girl coerced into an agency can have a series of bad encounters in the beginning and get so traumatized that afterwards she believes all clients are bad and are like that.
I believe that she was abused and that XO was run by a bunch of scumbags as there is far too many SP talking about it and verifying it, they can’t all be liars.
Personally I don’t trust any agency or any agency owner , to me it comes down to the lesser of evils as they are all in it to make money and I doubt any are interested in the well being of the girls that work for them.
They are just modern day pimps some better than others and perhaps only so that they can attract the best looking SP and hold on to them not because they care because it is all about $$$$.
Anyone that cares about women does not make money off their backs and does not peddle their body for money, again a definition of a pimp.
Yeah I have heard all the excuses of providing security, ensuring a clientele, doing the advertising providing the condo etc… all done to make money off of a girl who’s body you are peddling for your benefit not hers.
Do you believe everything the media tells you? Lol I seen what they did during covid the nonsense they kept on posting to keep pumping the fear. What we saw was an example of McCarthyism. I would take what the media says with a grain of salt. And remember, according to the media ALL clients are predators and all the girls are victims. So that means according to them you are a predator and your ATF that you say you been seeing for years would be the victim.
Sorry to bust your bubble, agencies are not a charity. They are there to make money just as the girls are there to make money. They explained in the interview the way it works, the cut the agency takes and the penalties for lates and cancellations. It is to encourage punctuality which is very important to ensure some standard of service. The girls accepted the conditions. No one forced them, the girl had a choice to not work at the agency she could just post ads on Leolist.
We should all tamper down our high moral speech, we are after all Johns, and no matter how you slice it, deep down we are using women also...
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And most(all?) of the girls view us as ATMs, want a proof? Without exception... every girl you get close to...will eventually ask for some money outside the "RDV" framework...and she WILL never pay you back...
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Another point that is very important, News outlet will get few statement then run with it and build an entire Hollywood movie...they need the drama to get the attention that will get them the money...
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