Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[Lunaseraphim]

her words are exactely "la première journée..ils vont souvent envoyer quelqu'un pour t'abuser sexuellement, pour un peu te briser, c'est vraiment un système qui est connu''.

That sounds a lot like ''breaking the girl in'' to me. Not, ''send the asshole client to the less popular girls'', not ''send the asshole client to the new girl because no one else will take them'', but more like ''we will send the asshole client to the new girl on her first day to break her ''. That is exactely what she said. And that this is a ''known practice''.

Maybe I am naive after all, but i certainly hope this is not a ''known practice''... Like @EastWind said ''That is the most fucked up dick move for employee orientation.'' lol
Also, on a purely business level, how can you possibly retain talent if you traumautize people on the first day?

It's something that happened to me.. I don't know if it's a ''known practice''. Other colleagues have had horrible clients on their first day, but probably not everyone. Some girls I know were asked for BBFs on their first days by clients at some agencies.

I'm not sure if it's to break the girl in, or if it's just because girls are disposable and clients are not, according to some employers maybe. The girls might not have told their employers either. Some of the clients nobody want to see are also faithful clients.. probably precisely because no one wants to see them, and some employers might want to keep them around because they have been there this whole time. Sometimes because their behavior became worse over the years. I don't really know.

All I know is that there are clients I have seen, who assaulted me or were horrible years ago, who still go to agencies and parlors and post reviews here. That means their patronage is valuable in my opinion, and I doubt I'm the only one who had a bad experience. And honestly I don't want to put the focus on specific clients or talk about them anymore. It's a slippery slope.

I think what we can safely conclude is that girls who are new in the industry, particularly new at a specific work place, will be ''tested'' and will get a ton of shitty clients. I don't know if it's on purpose because it could also be that most clients don't want to ''try a new girl'' to avoid being disappointed, yet predators see an opportunity. Whether they are indies or agency or spa girls.

 

[EastWind]

With this article all has been revealed and questions answered.

For those wondering what happened to XO as many here were inquiring and speculated.

 

[TheJames101]

1. But, they intentionnaly sent her a violent client as a first client, to "break her in". According to her, this is a well known and common practice in the industr

A few years ago in the Sugarbaby feature, she said the first couple clients were actually alright and (I think) didn't even want sex. The third guy wasn't good though. A small, perhaps insignificant detail.

 

[skarsga]

With this article all has been revealed and questions answered.

For those wondering what happened to XO as many here were inquiring and speculated.

I'm glad some of the true story about xo has come to light.

I don't think all is revealed. Still more to come i think.

 

[LC18]

Sentez vous bien à l’aise de prendre contact avec les suspects pour payer leurs frais légaux puisqu’ils n’ont rien fait de mal selon vous

 

[Albacor]

Outcall agency is less risk.

 

[LC18]

Outcall agency is less risk.

In what sense?

 

[2fast2slow]

when's the trial? how are we gonna know what happens in details un less someone reports it?

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

when's the trial? how are we gonna know what happens in details un less someone reports it?

Typically one to two years (closer to two) after charges have been pressed. Given that La Presse is already on it, and that it's a topic that generates a lot of clicks, I expect them to cover the trial.

 

[EagerBeaver]

when's the trial? how are we gonna know what happens in details un less someone reports it?

The case docket should be a matter of public record online. I was actually going to ask the same question and ask whether anyone looked at the case detail online. It should have information on when the arrests were made, the counsel of record for the defendants, the next appearance date in Court and the trial date status if one is assigned. Because I assume it's all in French there is no way for me to figure this out but it all should be online and a matter of public record.

There would be a case docket detail for each of the 5 defendants. I would look up Sammy's.

 

[TheJames101]

The case docket should be a matter of public record online. I was actually going to ask the same question and ask whether anyone looked at the case detail online. It should have information on when the arrests were made, the counsel of record for the defendants, the next appearance date in Court and the trial date status if one is assigned. Because I assume it's all in French there is no way for me to figure this out but it all should be online and a matter of public record.

There would be a case docket detail for each of the 5 defendants. I would look up Sammy's.

I was wondering this as well but have no idea where to look for that. Anyone know?

 

[Smokemeal2]

when's the trial? how are we gonna know what happens in details un less someone reports it?

Will there be a trial? They will probably simply plead guilty and negotiate a home sentence... Seems to be the way to go these days

 

[hob12]

I was wondering this as well but have no idea where to look for that. Anyone know?

SOQUIJ. but you have to pay for that. If you are really curious you can show up in person at the palais de justice and look it up on their 1990s computer lol.

Tbh, its mostly misplaced curiosity at this point. You are not gonna learn that much about anything except upcoming trial dates, who is representing the State and the defendants, which articles of the criminal code theyre accused of violating.

The real stuff is in the court files. Which are accessible at the Greffe criminelle. But you're gonna have to leave your name and at this point there might not be anything super interesting in there yet. It depends what has been dropped in the files to this point.

 

[LeDodo]

SOQUIJ. but you have to pay for that. If you are really curious you can show up in person at the palais de justice and look it up on their 1990s computer lol.

Tbh, its mostly misplaced curiosity at this point. You are not gonna learn that much about anything except upcoming trial dates, who is representing the State and the defendants, which articles of the criminal code theyre accused of violating.

The real stuff is in the court files. Which are accessible at the Greffe criminelle. But you're gonna have to leave your name and at this point there might not be anything super interesting in there yet. It depends what has been dropped in the files to this point.

Yes and it's possible to buy the audio recording but depending of the length of the trial it can cost you a lot. Better leave that material purchase, listening time to the journalists!

 

[EagerBeaver]

The real stuff is in the court files. Which are accessible at the Greffe criminelle. But you're gonna have to leave your name and at this point there might not be anything super interesting in there yet. It depends what has been dropped in the files to this point.

The prosecutor's file should have the police report and arrest warrants. Those are usually available to the public. In pending criminal cases, evidence (like videos, photos etc.) usually doesn't get released until the criminal case concludes. That's the case here anyway.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

The case docket should be a matter of public record online. I was actually going to ask the same question and ask whether anyone looked at the case detail online. It should have information on when the arrests were made, the counsel of record for the defendants, the next appearance date in Court and the trial date status if one is assigned. Because I assume it's all in French there is no way for me to figure this out but it all should be online and a matter of public record.

There would be a case docket detail for each of the 5 defendants. I would look up Sammy's.

It's not easily available online in Quebec except as a paid service to professionals. However it's available online for free in person at the Grande Bibliothèque (national library downtown) or in person at the courthouse, as mentioned by @hob12

For those who may scratch their heads reading the above posts, it's worth remembering that a fully transparent justice system is a pillar of democracy. In the US, cameras are allowed in courtrooms, but not in Canada. However, members of the public are allowed to attend in person. Rare exceptions are made when warranted (e.g. family law)

 

[Wildstar]

Another option is to email the la Presse reporter. His address is at the end of the article. They typically like to talk about their stories. And the la Presse story is based on reviewing the court records. The indictments were issued in January so the case is in a preliminary state.

Interestingly, the la Presse article only mentions indictments for advertising sex services, inducing someone to offer sex for money, and basically knowingly profiting from crime. No charges for drugs, rapes, or coerced sex work, though presumably the prosecutors can file a superceding indictment if they have evidence, cooperating witnesses/victims, etc.

 

[EagerBeaver]

For those who may scratch their heads reading the above posts, it's worth remembering that a fully transparent justice system is a pillar of democracy. Rare exceptions are made when warranted (e.g. family law)

Same exception here. You can look at any pleading filed in any civil case, except in family law cases you can only view pleadings if you are appearing counsel and log in electronically using your bar number. There is a reason for this. Financial affidavits are filed by the parties in every family law case and the contents shouldn't be snooped by anyone except the Court and the appearing Attorneys.

If anyone here were to obtain information on when the next hearing is in these cases, any of you can attend the hearing as an interested member of the public. Indeed around 20 years ago I attended and listened to a motions docket in the Palais de Justice on rue Notre Dame. I did this purely out of curiousity. I watched a civil motions docket but anyone can attend and watch any hearing. It's the case in Canada and the US. You don't need to identify yourself or say why you're there.

 

[Johnny test]

I think contacting the journalist or looking for information online is a great idea, i would also recommend leaving your real name and adress for a follow up

 

[Wildstar]

I think contacting the journalist or looking for information online is a great idea, i would also recommend leaving your real name and adress for a follow up

Yeah, the cops are sure to launch an investigation into someone horrified at the XO situation and asking when the case is set for trial, ironclad evidence of criminal activity right there They’ll subpoena anonymous email addresses and haul in anyone who checks public court records, this will definitely happen because showing interest in a crime is itself very criminal obviously.