Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[TheJames101]

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Pensez-vous que Clémentine est Jade de xo?

https://merb.cc/xenforo/threads/jade-velvet-love-mtl-ex-escortsxo.154632/page-3

Et je suis bien curieux de savoir ce qu'un psychopathe peut dire a une fille pour qu'après le viol, la fille n'en parle pas a la police, ni a ses amies, ni a sa famille, ni a un organisme, ni a une ligne telephonique et continue et juge que la meilleure option est de retourner jour après jour 'travailler' pour protéger sa famille et son chien et subir des viols et menaces de mort mélanger avec des bons clients. Elle se dit quoi? Soit que je vais 'travailler' , me faire violer et menacé ou qu'ils tuent ma famille et mon chien. Elle se fait répété qu'il n'y a aucune issue? Elle pense qu'elle est condamné a servir d'objet sexuel pendant les 10 prochaines années?

I don't think it's the same Jade. Because the Clémentine version left the industry while still working at xo, while that one seems to also have worked at Velvet love.

 

[hob12]

It would be under Jugements Quebec -> Trouver une décision | SOQUIJ https://share.google/DhkKHhNiMWCfpPybj

I found many court cases even stripclubs that got shut down. Even ppl who refuse to pay their rent and the landlord takes them to court I found the names here. But all in French only.

You can only found judgments there, you will not find anything about the pending cases. For that you need to look up the plumitif you have to pay for that. Or show up at the palais de justice and look directly on their computers.

 

[Halloween Mike]

I don't think it's the same Jade. Because the Clémentine version left the industry while still working at xo, while that one seems to also have worked at Velvet love.

From my understanding she started in 2020 and worked for about a year. The Jade of that thread has post as far as 2018. So different peoples.

 

[Gazoo64]

I don't think it's the same Jade. Because the Clémentine version left the industry while still working at xo, while that one seems to also have worked at Velvet love.

Exactly, it’s not the same Jade. I remember one SP named Jade that worked at XO in the 2017-18 time frame, then I believe that she moved to the VelvetLove agency around 2019.
I think she worked a bit at Vogue after that, but I believe she is now no longer in the industry.

As well, Jade was blond, so not the same person.

 

[LC18]

Another case of “it didn’t happen to me so it means it never happened to anyone”


I’ve never been raped by a client so that means no SP ever has ever been raped by a client

 

[Gentilhomme1]

Here's a suggestion for agencies who would like to set a new standard in terms of creating a more ethical industry: having a publicly visible code of conduct on your website. One part would be the client's code of conduct, the other would be the agency's code of conduct towards their escorts. This would be a way to build trust among all parties involved . Since the code would be visible, clients could ask the escorts if it really being respected, and agencies could use it as a tool to enforce proper behavior among clients. Some clients may even be more inclined to book with a agency that has a code they deemed reasonable.

Some will say I am dreaming in color–and I don't fully disagree–other may see it as a promising step towards more ethical arrangements .

I totally agree with you. It would be a good way to prepare the indutry for an eventual legalization. Eventually the SPs could have a board of professionals, similar to the boards of doctors, engineers, psychologists, physiotherapists, social workers, pharmacists, etc. Some realities started in a dream.

 

[Bouddha1]

From my understanding she started in 2020 and worked for about a year. The Jade of that thread has post as far as 2018. So different peoples.

On the podcast in french, we understand that she quits in 2020 so it match with the thead. It says also that she worked as Indy. But she dont talk about Velvet..

 

[EastWind]

Need to end this incall business model and return to outcall for one. Best for an agency to be formless and not be some sitting duck and open target with a physical location.

 

[Bouddha1]

photos de Radio-Canada

Clémentine ou Jade de XO

 

[RobertNYC]

I still don’t understand why guys use incall locations in Montreal. Makes zero sense unless you’re a local. The charm of Montreal is outcall to your hotel. More relaxed and fun.

I understand the economics for agencies, but out of dozens of appointments I always turned down incall. I can get that in NNJ and NYC.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Makes zero sense unless you’re a local.

Most of the wolves on merd are from Montreal and its vicinities.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

As for people not denouncing rape.. we don't do it because people blame victims, they don't believe us, the process of reporting or calling out can be extremely traumatic etc. Particularly for someone who is a sex worker.. a lot of people think we're asking for it

I also want to remind you guys that not everyone is treated the same way in this industry and our experiences vary a lot. It's not surprising to me that a teenage girl would have bad experiences while other more experienced providers who know their boundaries don't as much

There is favoritism at certain places and some people will get exploited while others won't..this is why this is so touchy. Some people are more vulnerable than others for many different reasons and individuals who have bad intentions will see that vulnerability as a weakness to exploit

 

[2fast2slow]

I still don’t understand why guys use incall locations in Montreal. Makes zero sense unless you’re a local. The charm of Montreal is outcall to your hotel. More relaxed and fun.

I understand the economics for agencies, but out of dozens of appointments I always turned down incall. I can get that in NNJ and NYC.

i'm sure 50% of clients are with a significant other and cannot do outcalls

 

[Lunaseraphim]

As for "why did she stay" it was stated in this thread several times that the boss was threatening girls with outing... And even beyond that. There are reasons why people stay in abusive situations.. these situations often have some sort of appeal on some level and there's a lot of manipulation involved too. 19 is really young. When I was 19 I was still a virgin and I was really naive.

I think someone can be too young and inexperienced for sex work personally. You have to have had some life experiences in order to handle it

 

[EastWind]

It is on youtube now. Since those outside of Canada cannot access it previously.

 

[LC18]

En tout cas

 

[RobertNYC]

From what I understood most got shut down by LE. But perhaps @EagerBeaver can shed some light on this and if LE would go after the clients.

There are countless agencies in NYC and NNJ, and damn good ones. I think we’re getting ridiculous here.

 

[Vardhan945]

I remember seeing an SPs who I haven't seen for a long time and she used to be at XO. I just mentioned I have no idea what happened to XO and she said the owner became a drug addict and that was the downfall of the agency. Another SP another told me that the booker didn't stop asking her to join an orgy when she didn't want to. I remember XO organizing some orgy party but apparently it was only for the ''loyal'' clients, I wonder if those events went well or the sexual assaults might be where it comes from?

I remember around the last times I used XO, a moment freaked me out. The agency knew my username here and that I was a regular. One day, they contacted me and they called me by my first name. I never shared my full name beside the SPs. I asked the last SP I saw if she mentioned me by my full name and she said no, she doesn't know how whoever contacted knew my first name.

Another thing, I noticed was when booking and arriving at the door, they ask us to just enter and not knock. I suspected that was because neighbour noticed multiple door knocking for the same door and raised suspection. At that time, it was the only agency that asked me to do that. So this fit with the neighbour getting suspicious.

I been doing this activity since I was 18yo and now I am 37yo. Even with all those years, I never knew the ''behind the scene'' of this business.

Really disappointing to read this, I hope for the best for the victims.

The fact that they knew your first name is very spooky...
I suspect Agencies have a way of doing a soft background check.

I googled my own phone number and my full name and city came up...I had it removed by submitting a request though

 

[RobertNYC]

It seems like there were complaints to LE and they set up a sting, the goal of which was to shut down the agency and charge its principals. This was accomplished. It's a low hanging fruit situation. Going after clients based on seized phone numbers and texts seems like an expensive and more difficult proposition. It seems unlikely. Unless they got very specific information/evidence of, or a witness to criminal behavior by the client and feel compelled to charge it.

Hey EB, do you recall JuliesNYC back in the day? That agency got busted in early 2005. Julie Moya raked in millions, but the DA trumped up charges of her employing a 17 year old. The real story is the girl used fake ID, and when Julie found out, they jettisoned her. The underage may have worked a month or so. And that 17 year old was introduced to Julie by one of her girls, swearing she was 19.

I always found the girls there to be on the older side, 26+, some early 30s, so I was amused when I read the DA charging her with employing underage escorts. I was paranoid because I was a regular and never suspected the agency would employ anyone underage. But competing agencies helped bring her down, and apparently Julie stopped greasing some LE who helped her stay open for years and years.

The only clients arrested were those present during the bust. And Julie had like five locations around the city. Julie’s was best deal in town, Montreal quality and more for 250.

I have no doubt XO management are scum bags and I’m sure many allegations are true. But it’s also possible a lot of stuff is really embellished to help prosecute the case. These are heinous allegations, but let’s step back and assume many are true, many aren’t. Regardless, human depravity like what I’m reading never ceases to amaze me.

LE isn’t going after XO clients unless those clients saw an underage girl. That I’m fairly certain of, unless I’m missing something.

Everyone predicted other agencies in NYC would falll after Julie’s got busted. The opposite happened. So many opened to fill the gap.

One final amusing point which I heard from a Julie’s escort at the time whom I saw on the side post-bust. When it became evident a close friend and relative of one of the prosecutors was a regular at Julie’s, of course the sweet plea bargain came into play, with Julie agreeing never to reveal a “client list.”

Every case is different, but my guess is you’ll never see an XO client list unless prosecutors have a mark on a high profile person (eg Elliot Spitzer).

Google Julie Moya. Fascinating read. She did a bit of time…and of course she re-opened under a different brand a couple years later.

 

[skizophonic]

I totally agree with you. It would be a good way to prepare the indutry for an eventual legalization. Eventually the SPs could have a board of professionals, similar to the boards of doctors, engineers, psychologists, physiotherapists, social workers, pharmacists, etc. Some realities started in a dream.

Great idea !

Imagine a world where you visit an indy for GFE and she gives you an insurance receipt.

A world where your employer's insurance package would cover sexual services as long as the SW is a certified members of the APQ (I'll let you guess the acronym ) alongside massage therapists and physiotherapists.