Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[EagerBeaver]

If your activity is decriminalized it must be regulated as any other economic activity. You must provide documentation (ledgers etc) that reflects your cash flow and the buisiness expenses and fill all the tax documents required for small non-incorporated business. You would also need to pay GST/QST if your activity exceeds $30K/year.

Any economic activity is not getting formally decriminalized without the government's taxing entity having figured out a way to tax the proceeds of it legally and require the participants to submit to that government implemented scheme.

And of course, the cost of whatever taxes the SPs have to pay under this government implemented scheme will be passed on to you in the price you pay to her.

The only certain things in life are death and taxes. This I learned when my father died and left me an inheritance in the form of an IRA. In the USA, it used to be the law that you could withdraw the money in an inherited IRA over the course of your lifetime (presumably, when you retire, if you are still working) and pay taxes on it as you do so. This is no longer the law since 2020. The IRS now forces you to withdraw all of the money in an inherited IRA over 10 years, starting in the year you inherited it. Even if you are not retired, are working and making an adequate income, and do not need the IRA money! IT'S BECAUSE THEY WANT THEIR PIECE OF THE PIE AND THEY WILL FORCE YOU TO CUT THAT PIE EVEN IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO EAT IT UNTIL LATER. THEY CONTROL THE PIE, NEVER FORGET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

I meant i was expecting the charges to be dropped and her resuming her work by now. Since she has not i assume its more serious.

Why would charges be dropped? I tried to look but it's really not easy to get this information online. By the way, did you remember that she was charged with the following counts as well?

• Possession for the Purpose of Trafficking – Cocaine
• Possession for the Purpose of Trafficking – Fentanyl

As always, the suspect is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Also worth noting that media uses "human trafficking" in their headline while no such charges have been pressed, according to the same article.

Halton police charge woman in human trafficking case

Investigators allege that over an 18-month period, an adult female victim was trafficked in the sex trade across the Greater Toronto Area.

toronto.citynews.ca

 

[EagerBeaver]

Also worth noting that media uses "human trafficking" in their headline while no such charges have been pressed, according to the same article.

Indeed, no such charges have been pressed:

"Genest-Matte has been charged with two counts of procuring, two counts of receiving a material benefit from sexual services, two counts of advertising sexual services, possession for the purpose of trafficking cocaine, possession for the purpose of trafficking fentanyl, and laundering proceeds of crime."

I agree that the drug and laundering charges potentially complicate an early resolution of the type HM is suggesting. It's not even 6 months since she was charged and is early in the game. It's very likely the case is still pending and "Bianca White" and her attorneys still have work to do to get them resolved. Not likely that they just get dropped, but if she is a first time offender, there is always hope for a resolution that keeps her out of the slammer.

 

[Léa_rose5]

https://merb.cc/xenforo/threads/nice-la-presse-article-on-xo-this-morning.253434/page-7#post-1828215

A gentle note:
The dynamic isn’t solely defined by the owner or the booker. Clientele can also shape the experience, at times in more challenging ways (though certainly not all). There is, in my experience, a distinct difference between agency and independent clientele. Simply something to keep in mind when forming an impression of a provider

 

[LeDodo]

A gentle note:
The dynamic isn’t solely defined by the owner or the booker. Clientele can also shape the experience, at times in more challenging ways (though certainly not all). There is, in my experience, a distinct difference between agency and independent clientele. Simply something to keep in mind when forming an impression of a provider

Thanks for sharing your experience and happy to see you have more control over your clientele.

 

[Léa_rose5]

Oh and it’s also funny to consider that EVERYONE is being “manage or dictate” by someone else… the Government, our bosses, the companies we work for, etc.
But since it’s not related to Sex Work is okay and acceptable…
So yes, I do have a Pimp, The government.
shocking right ?! Hahahaha

 

[TheJames101]

As an aside, there will be more developments in the legal case against XO. This thread seems a good place to put that when the time comes. Best keep it open, therefore.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Oh and it’s also funny to consider that EVERYONE is being “manage or dictate” by someone else… the Government, our bosses, the companies we work for, etc.
But since it’s not related to Sex Work is okay and acceptable…
So yes, I do have a Pimp, The government.
shocking right ?! Hahahaha

A great song about institutional control over the individual, which fits with your post:

 

[Lunaseraphim]

A gentle note:
The dynamic isn’t solely defined by the owner or the booker. Clientele can also shape the experience, at times in more challenging ways (though certainly not all). There is, in my experience, a distinct difference between agency and independent clientele. Simply something to keep in mind when forming an impression of a provider

I agree. I used to charge agency rates and lower so I know what you mean. It's not everyone for sure... But that's kinda what I wanted to point out last night. Clients do have some power over our experiences, and they absolutely can change the demand.

It's easy to blame the pimp/employer as the only source of evil but at the same time they are catering to something.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

As an aside, there will be more developments in the legal case against XO. This thread seems a good place to put that when the time comes. Best keep it open, therefore.

See you at post # 1,537 ;-)

 

[2fast2slow]

Could be, I believe in my case, it was an SP who just casually said my first name when talking about me since they probably don't know my username here.

I went to re-check the PM from XO that said my first name and it was just a PM telling me an SP went to have a nose surgery and that she will be back.

But yeah, if your phone number is not private. Anyone can just type in Google and find your personal info.

I remember an SP in Nadya's VIP I met in 2017, she is very kind but also naive, she was only 20-21 years old at that time. She told me she trusted a client her phone number to chat together outside appointments and he found her Facebook just by typing her phone number in the Facebook search bar. That's also allowed him to find the identity of her SP friend because they were best friends and they had a lot of photos together. From what I remember, the client tried using that to his advantage for free services or he will expose her sex work to her family and friends on Facebook, that eventually lead her to quit and leaving Montreal after debuting around 6 months ago. After she quits, this is when I started to learn about the abuse of the booker from other SPs who were in other agency and coincidentally, Nadya's VIP stop advertising here.

Now that I am talking about Nadya's VIP, it just reminded me of another story. They managed to have former pornstar Jemma Valentine on their roster, I managed to see her only once and had a great time with her. She didn't stay long and later I saw her post on social media that she experienced something very bad as an escort that lead her to leave Montreal and she said she will never come back to this city. I think she continued her pornstar career and eventually just quit the sex business. Her last update on Twitter was in 2018.

I remember reading that Nadya's VIP bought/took control of the blue board (Merc) and any good reviews for Euphoria and XO would be deleted and get you banned. It basically turned in a Nadya's VIP advertisement.

I don't know if Nadya's VIP is still active today. I just typed in Google and now it leads me to something called Chateau Nadia but it just a wedding dress site. So I think that agency is dead after all.

Nadya herself has popped up at My Sweet Milf

 

[EagerBeaver]

As an aside, there will be more developments in the legal case against XO. This thread seems a good place to put that when the time comes. Best keep it open, therefore.

The James, as an aside, I am not sure there will ever be any update. The La Presse article is very vague on what the actual pending charges are. There is no discussion of there being any charges for rape, abuse, use of minors, etc. which forms a large part of the discussion in this thread. Here is what the article actually says about the charges, from my Google Translator:

"Several charges related to prostitution have been brought against the five alleged ringleaders of the agency, and according to our information, at least two buildings used in the commission of the alleged crimes are subject to a freezing order."

We do not know what the prostitution charges are. They sound like bullshit nothing charges to me. The primary goal was to shut down the agency and that was accomplished. So there is a fair chance, I would think, depending on the priors (if any) of the defendants, to get the charges quietly resolved with no fanfare.

As far as the freezing order goes, that is the problem of XO's landlord. My feeling is that they will probably need to cough up some dough to get rid of that order. Certainly hire some attorneys to get that order discharged. That will quietly go away. The whole thing may go away quietly. But the agency was shut down and that was the main goal of the LE action.

It raises the question of whether the "XO 5" can regroup and start another agency once the smoke clears on the criminal matters. The answer to that question is unknown.

 

[WAZZAP1]

J'en suis rendu à la page 17 sur 39 de ce topic et le niveau de mansplaining et de gaslighting ici est assourdissant.

Les TdS qui prennent part à la discussion ici, @LC18 , @Lunaseraphim , @Julia Sky etc, vous êtes des saintes!

(évidemment, ce message ne s'adresse pas à tous les participants de la conversation.)

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

We do not know what the prostitution charges are

Your translator must have missed them because they are clearly laid out under the heading "Les chefs d’accusation" at the end of the article

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Alcohol is not criminalized but you can only buy strong alcohol at SAQ and restaurants selling alcohol need to pay for government permit. If your activity is decriminalized it must be regulated as any other economic activity. You must provide documentation (ledgers etc) that reflects your cash flow and the buisiness expenses and fill all the tax documents required for small non-incorporated business. You would also need to pay GST/QST if your activity exceeds $30K/year. For this you need to charge your clients GST/QST on top of your price. There is no way that you can avoid government control and regulations that are mandatory for any small businesses (permits, health issues etc). How you can justify that you can be free from it while hairdresser working at his salon is not. What I am trying to say is that decriminalization and legalization is the same thing.
Government would also push you to move away from pure cash operation and you should be able to accept interact and credit cards payments.

They aren't the same thing. Just go back in the thread.

https://www.nswp.org/sites/default/files/guide_to_legal_models_english_prf04.pdf

Please note that in this guide, they say that sex workers are forced to get STI screenings. the guide frames this as a negative thing, which I understand might be not well perceived here. but the issue is that the clients are not getting screened, but the workers are. and clients are generally the ones who demand unsafe services because of poor sexual education. the first day i stepped into a massage parlor, girls were talking about sti risks. the clients are usually not getting regularly tested

Also, look at the wide number of organizations that are pushing for decriminalizations. NON PROFIT organizations, not organizations of ''high end luxury providers who don't want to pay taxes''

In New Zealand, Belgium and in some areas of Australia, prostitution is decriminalized, not legalized.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Your translator must have missed them because they are clearly laid out under the heading "Les chefs d’accusation" at the end of the article

Anthony thanks for pointing this out, but it doesn't change my response to the James or my post #763 above:

From my Google Translator:
"THE CHARGES
Having benefited from a pecuniary advantage that they knew to be derived from an offense;
Having induced a person to offer sexual services in exchange for remuneration;
Having advertised sexual services."

These sound like bullshit nothing charges to me. The kind that can be quietly resolved.

 

[LeDodo]

Anthony thanks for pointing this out, but it doesn't change my response to the James or my post above:

From my Google Translator:
"THE CHARGES
Having benefited from a pecuniary advantage that they knew to be derived from an offense;
Having induced a person to offer sexual services in exchange for remuneration;
Having advertised sexual services."

These sound like bullshit nothing charges to me. The kind that can be quietly resolved.

Aren't they all charges linked to proxenetism with quite a heavy maximum penalty?

 

[EagerBeaver]

Aren't they all charges linked to proxenetism with quite a heavy maximum penalty?

What is the maximum penalty for these specific charges? There are no charges laid for rape, abuse, use of minors etc.

 

[Glyscore]

What is the penalty for these charges?

Jail time? Aint what Diddy got from these exact same charges lel?

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

These sound like bullshit nothing charges to me. The kind that can be quietly resolved.

They are taken verbatim from the Criminal Code, in French. I will not go as far as providing you with the article number. Kind regards.