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NY Gov Spitzer linked to Prostitution Ring
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Any reviews??
EB,
Any reviews of her??? Someone's got to have a review?? Or at those rates there is a no review policy?
I dont know...$1000 to $5000 an hour, your not getting a cbj and repeating for those rates! Maybe that's the implied bareback sex rate???
I mean Spizter obviously is aware of the industry and the market.
I agree Kristin aka Victoria is a hottie. But there are escorts in the Montreal scene that are as or more attractive than her. Service? I don't know.
Banger
EagerBeaver said:
EB,
Any reviews of her??? Someone's got to have a review?? Or at those rates there is a no review policy?
I dont know...$1000 to $5000 an hour, your not getting a cbj and repeating for those rates! Maybe that's the implied bareback sex rate???
I mean Spizter obviously is aware of the industry and the market.
I agree Kristin aka Victoria is a hottie. But there are escorts in the Montreal scene that are as or more attractive than her. Service? I don't know.
Banger
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EagerBeaver said:
You know, this really says a lot about the average (actually, the above average) HDH. In spite of promoting her as being educated and sophisticated, she really wasn't. I don't think there is such a thing as a sophisticated HDH.
Think about it. There she was, banging the governor of NY and didn't know it till the last meeting? How many times did she walk past a news stand in NYC and see his face on the front page of the paper? Well, we know for sure never reads or even watches the news. As a resident of the city for more than a few months, it'd be hard not to know who Spitzer was.
So much for worldliness and sophistication. This chick was actually kind of an unfortunate bimbo and I bet many of the other HDHs are too. Therefore, I'm not sure how much the extra money really buys you over your typical indy or (reputable) agency SP.
Spitzer Update
This morning's New York Post, on page 6, features a rather sad color photograph taken yesterday of Eliot Spitzer walking his dog James, perhaps his last and only friend, on the upper east side of Manhattan. In the photo, a leashed James, a Wheaton terrier, appears to be in a brisk trot. Spitzer, dressed semi-incognito in sneakers, brown sweat pants, a black jacket and black baseball cap, is following closely behind James and holding his leash. Spitzer looks like a sad and lonely figure in the photo, much like Bill Clinton was shown to be as he took his dog for long walks in the aftermath of the Lewinsky scandal.
The photo is accompanied by the sarcastic headline, "You Dog! Last Chance to Chase Tail!"
This morning's New York Post, on page 6, features a rather sad color photograph taken yesterday of Eliot Spitzer walking his dog James, perhaps his last and only friend, on the upper east side of Manhattan. In the photo, a leashed James, a Wheaton terrier, appears to be in a brisk trot. Spitzer, dressed semi-incognito in sneakers, brown sweat pants, a black jacket and black baseball cap, is following closely behind James and holding his leash. Spitzer looks like a sad and lonely figure in the photo, much like Bill Clinton was shown to be as he took his dog for long walks in the aftermath of the Lewinsky scandal.
The photo is accompanied by the sarcastic headline, "You Dog! Last Chance to Chase Tail!"
EagerBeaver said:
Upper east side of Manhattan? Poor Eliot, life is tough.
GG
P.S. He should buy a pad on Montreal's east end and contact me. I'll take him out of his miseries.
One of the things that amazes me in this whole sordid affair is that while Spitzer is being crucified in the media for his misdeeds, no one seemed to give a damn when it was reported & proven that former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura used to spend time at the infamous "Moonlight Bunny Ranch" in Nevada. Okay, he visited the Bunny Ranch prior to his days as governor, but still.....
Only in America!
Only in America!
GG,
Spitzer has a 4 bedroom apartment on the upper east side in a building that is owned by his father, Bernard, in addition to a residence in Albany. I assume he stayed in NYC this past week because he was huddling with his midtown Manhattan attorneys every day (and likely still is).
The NY Post reported yesterday that Spitzer walked through the entire apartment building apologizing to anyone who would listen. It's not clear if the apology is for his neighbors having to navigate through the army of media camped out in front of the building every day, or for his malfeasance as Governor, or both.
Meanwhile the Post reviewed Kristen's hit single and gave it 2.5 "Spitzers" (which are happy smily faces of Eliot) out of 4 possible "Spitzers." They said it was a decent pop song. The Post is obviously having a great ole time with this story and milking it for what it is worth. Still, if there was such a thing as a Pulitzer Prize for best gossip journalism, they would win it for their relentless, no-stone-unturned coverage of this story the past week.
Spitzer has a 4 bedroom apartment on the upper east side in a building that is owned by his father, Bernard, in addition to a residence in Albany. I assume he stayed in NYC this past week because he was huddling with his midtown Manhattan attorneys every day (and likely still is).
The NY Post reported yesterday that Spitzer walked through the entire apartment building apologizing to anyone who would listen. It's not clear if the apology is for his neighbors having to navigate through the army of media camped out in front of the building every day, or for his malfeasance as Governor, or both.
Meanwhile the Post reviewed Kristen's hit single and gave it 2.5 "Spitzers" (which are happy smily faces of Eliot) out of 4 possible "Spitzers." They said it was a decent pop song. The Post is obviously having a great ole time with this story and milking it for what it is worth. Still, if there was such a thing as a Pulitzer Prize for best gossip journalism, they would win it for their relentless, no-stone-unturned coverage of this story the past week.
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Doc Holliday said:
The hypocrisy in America is reaching absurd heights. Who cares if he got laid by a hooker? He was stupid and reckless but the media feeds off of crucifying public figures. Spitzer was a hard-ass Attorney General of New York who was tough on organized crime and corporate crooks. He has a distinguished record but he was loathed by many, including top civil servants in Albany.
As for Jesse Ventura, he was always a clown. He probably has tons of skeletons in his closet.
GG
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General Gonad said:
How dare you speak this way about the best place to live in the whole world?
Kidding aside, i totally agree with your statement.
Media Coverage
Guys, these newspapers are for profit businesses in case you forgot, they are not charities, and this story has captivated not only New Yorkers but the entire nation. Because of the 1st Amendment and U.S. Supreme Court cases construing it, the media in the USA is very, very powerful, but that power is wielded in such a way as to make money. I agree though that much of the reporting has been more hypocritical than Spitzer himself.
One thing you have to realize, and I am not sure many of you do, is that this story came as a major shock to everyone in the media due to Spitzer's rep as a straightlaced crusader with a very high moral ground. He manipulated the media in furthering that image, and now the media is taking its revenge.
Guys, these newspapers are for profit businesses in case you forgot, they are not charities, and this story has captivated not only New Yorkers but the entire nation. Because of the 1st Amendment and U.S. Supreme Court cases construing it, the media in the USA is very, very powerful, but that power is wielded in such a way as to make money. I agree though that much of the reporting has been more hypocritical than Spitzer himself.
One thing you have to realize, and I am not sure many of you do, is that this story came as a major shock to everyone in the media due to Spitzer's rep as a straightlaced crusader with a very high moral ground. He manipulated the media in furthering that image, and now the media is taking its revenge.
Spitzer Scandal: Political Hypocrisy
Here is an excellent article from New York's Black Star News:
http://blackstarnews.com/?c=135&a=4325
"Spitzer’s fall is instructive of why America’s political system is so rotten. For within American politics, false images are created daily to erect and elect those who lust and sell their souls to have power over us."
"Mr. Spitzer’s corruption and arrogance is the thread that connects and undresses him and all the other morally bankrupt hypocrites running America."
GG
Here is an excellent article from New York's Black Star News:
http://blackstarnews.com/?c=135&a=4325
"Spitzer’s fall is instructive of why America’s political system is so rotten. For within American politics, false images are created daily to erect and elect those who lust and sell their souls to have power over us."
"Mr. Spitzer’s corruption and arrogance is the thread that connects and undresses him and all the other morally bankrupt hypocrites running America."
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GG,
That is an excellent article. Thanks for the link. A lot of comparisons have been drawn between Spitzer and McGreevey, the only difference being that McGreevey was gay and liked young men sucking his cock whereas Spitzer obviously enjoyed fine young women. But McGreevey was also a hypocrite on a somewhat smaller scale.
Regarding the Chaney incident where he shot his friend, it was amazing to me that the story did not have more legs than it did. I suspect there was collusion with LE to cover the truth of what happened there as suggested by this article.
That is an excellent article. Thanks for the link. A lot of comparisons have been drawn between Spitzer and McGreevey, the only difference being that McGreevey was gay and liked young men sucking his cock whereas Spitzer obviously enjoyed fine young women. But McGreevey was also a hypocrite on a somewhat smaller scale.
Regarding the Chaney incident where he shot his friend, it was amazing to me that the story did not have more legs than it did. I suspect there was collusion with LE to cover the truth of what happened there as suggested by this article.
EagerBeaver said:
The only Spitzer i knew prior to this scandal coming out was Henri Spitzer, well-known Mtl boxing promoter. As far as i'm concerned, Mario Cuomo could still have been governor of NY. NY politics don't really concern me, to be honest. I leave it to the New Yorkers.
Who cares if Eliot Spitzer hires prostitutes?
Another excellent article from salon.com:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/10/spitzer/
Regarding all of the breathless moralizing from all sides over the "reprehensible," outrageous crimes of Eliot Spitzer: are there actually many people left who care if an adult who isn't their spouse hires prostitutes? Are there really people left who think that doing so should be a crime, that adults who hire other consenting adults for sex should be convicted and go to prison?
Just as was true for moral crusaders David Vitter and Larry Craig, there is unquestionably a healthy chunk of hypocrisy in Spitzer's case, given that, as Attorney General, he previously prosecuted -- quite aggressively and publicly -- several citizens for the "crime" of operating an adult prostitution business. That hypocrisy precludes me from having any real personal sympathy for Spitzer, and no reasonable person could defend him from charges of rank hypocrisy. And he should be treated no differently -- no better and no worse -- than the average citizen whom law enforcement catches hiring prostitutes.
But how can his alleged behavior -- paying another adult roughly $1,000 per hour to travel from New York to Washington to meet him for sex -- possibly justify resignation, let alone criminal prosecution, conviction and imprisonment? Independent of the issue of his hypocrisy -- which is an issue meriting attention and political criticism but not criminal prosecution -- what possible business is it of anyone's, let alone the state's, what he or anyone else does in their private lives with other consenting adults?
With all of the intense hand-wringing abounding, it's very difficult to discern the standard being applied here. Are any public officials who commit adultery engaged in such morally intolerable behavior that they ought to resign, because that didn't seem to be the standard back in the 1990s? Or is that any illegal behavior of any kind -- no matter how serious or frivolous, whether victim-creating or victimless -- merits resignation? If a political official smokes pot, or gambles in a poker game, or commits adultery in a state where adultery is a crime, are they now so morally beyond the pale that it is time for them to go? Is that the standard here?
The intensity of the condemnations is actually bizarre, rather disturbing, and completely puritanical.
(Click link for the rest of the article)
Another excellent article from salon.com:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/10/spitzer/
Regarding all of the breathless moralizing from all sides over the "reprehensible," outrageous crimes of Eliot Spitzer: are there actually many people left who care if an adult who isn't their spouse hires prostitutes? Are there really people left who think that doing so should be a crime, that adults who hire other consenting adults for sex should be convicted and go to prison?
Just as was true for moral crusaders David Vitter and Larry Craig, there is unquestionably a healthy chunk of hypocrisy in Spitzer's case, given that, as Attorney General, he previously prosecuted -- quite aggressively and publicly -- several citizens for the "crime" of operating an adult prostitution business. That hypocrisy precludes me from having any real personal sympathy for Spitzer, and no reasonable person could defend him from charges of rank hypocrisy. And he should be treated no differently -- no better and no worse -- than the average citizen whom law enforcement catches hiring prostitutes.
But how can his alleged behavior -- paying another adult roughly $1,000 per hour to travel from New York to Washington to meet him for sex -- possibly justify resignation, let alone criminal prosecution, conviction and imprisonment? Independent of the issue of his hypocrisy -- which is an issue meriting attention and political criticism but not criminal prosecution -- what possible business is it of anyone's, let alone the state's, what he or anyone else does in their private lives with other consenting adults?
With all of the intense hand-wringing abounding, it's very difficult to discern the standard being applied here. Are any public officials who commit adultery engaged in such morally intolerable behavior that they ought to resign, because that didn't seem to be the standard back in the 1990s? Or is that any illegal behavior of any kind -- no matter how serious or frivolous, whether victim-creating or victimless -- merits resignation? If a political official smokes pot, or gambles in a poker game, or commits adultery in a state where adultery is a crime, are they now so morally beyond the pale that it is time for them to go? Is that the standard here?
The intensity of the condemnations is actually bizarre, rather disturbing, and completely puritanical.
(Click link for the rest of the article)
I just finished reading the article & loved it. The part i loved the most & agreed with was this one:
I have always found it very curious that one of the following, but not the other, is illegal:
(a) Two people have sex, one of them gets paid for it;
(b) Two (or more) people have sex, all of them get paid for it, and it is videotaped and sold to third parties as a commodity.
I have yet to hear a convincing argument why this difference makes any actual sense.
How true!
I have always found it very curious that one of the following, but not the other, is illegal:
(a) Two people have sex, one of them gets paid for it;
(b) Two (or more) people have sex, all of them get paid for it, and it is videotaped and sold to third parties as a commodity.
I have yet to hear a convincing argument why this difference makes any actual sense.
How true!
EagerBeaver said:
You have to read between the lines. With conservatives like Vitter and Craig, the press needed no encouragement to gleefully pounce upon stories with far less incriminating and juicy details than the Spitzer story did. Do a word count for 'hypocrisy' and you'll see it used a lot more when discussing those stories, whereas with Spitzer, it's all about how bad "the system" is. I think aside from the photographs and the paparazzi aspect, the writing about Spitzer himself has been more sympathetic than he deserves. Remember this was a guy elected with over 70% of the vote and cheered on by the press when he went after the eeevil Wall Street people, often with zero evidence. The press is generally somewhat more forgiving to Democrats (even assholes) although this was so huge nobody could ignore it even if they wanted to.
And it still amazes me how many people here can't get past the "What's the big deal?" argument. The big deal is that like it or not, prostitution is a crime in NY. This asshole Spitzer was charged with enforcing the laws he broke. He made it his mission to put SPs in jail (a few of them actually went, so I hear) and now here he is with his hand in the cookie jar - he deserves to get fucked six ways to Sunday.
Eliot Spitzer said:
Hello ES,
Be careful. Some people think it's not a crime...it's an "unjust law" no one should care about violating.
Huh,
Korbel
Maxima said:
Hello Maxima,
Take you pick:
1. Playing the loyal, noble, sympathetic wife for the press.
2. Protecting her investment in what was a promising political future as long as possible...just in case.
3. Even Ivy-leaguers can be bimbo dormats.
4. Could it be...perhaps she genuinely loves him, believes in him, and was doing the "right thing."
Guess,
Korbel
Maxima said:
My guess is that she is thinking about her three daughters right now. Once the anger kicks in, Eliot will be mince meat.
GG
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