NY Gov Spitzer linked to Prostitution Ring

[EagerBeaver]

New York Post Photo Shoot of Kristen

Guys, I have always said the NY Post has the best gossip journalists in the world. I just picked up this morning's NY Post and there is an incredible color photo shoot of Kristen/Ashley! They apparently got a wannabe model photo shoot she did (these are new pics not on her myspace page, shot by a professional photographer):

http://www.nypost.com/

I have the hard copy, I guess the pics are not available on the website. She is smoking hot in these pics, seminude, some tats but very nice! Run out and get a copy now!

The NY Post is also reporting that Spitzer is negotiating a deal pursuant to which he will plead guilty to violating the Mann Act, presumably in exchange for a wrist slap and no jail time.

The NY Post is also reporting that Spitzer saw Kristen multiple times and she never recognized him until their last, fateful date! It appears that horndog Eliot fell for her and there is now an explanation for his stupidity on the wire transfers!

It's also being reported in the NY Daily News that Kristen made $100,000 per month, and also worked for legendary former pimp Jason Itzler when he ran NY Confidential. Itzler claimed she was "the hottest girl I ever had," and that he met her and she started when she was 19, and took to the job immediately. That work relationship presumably ended when Itzler was busted.

 

[EagerBeaver]

She was "Victoria" at NY Confidential

Ny Daily News is reporting that Jason Itzler claimed Kristen/Ashley worked as "Victoria" at NY Confidential and Itzler is quoted as saying he sent her dressed as a cheerleader to his most famous client - Charlie Sheen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Itzler claims in the NY Daily News he recognized her when shown her myspace photos during his CNN interview the other night.

http://www.nydailynews.com/

 

[EagerBeaver]

Itzler: She Was "Awesome"

In the NY Daily News Jason Itzler also claims he bought Victoria/Ashley a $2,000 pair of shoes after her first date. He is quoted as saying she is an "awesome, awesome, supercool girl."

 

[Kepler]

It's also being reported in the NY Daily News that Kristen made $100,000 per month,

I wonder what the IRS will say about that...

 

[EagerBeaver]

I wonder what the IRS will say about that...

Kepler,

It's being reported in the NY Post that the government has given her immunity from prosecution in exchange for her testimony. So the IRS will have to let it pass.

It's also being reported that the federal prosecutor arranged for her current attorney, a guy named Buchwald, who is a former prosecutor. There is a quote in the NY Daily News that they got Buchwald because his wife is a federal judge and it's believed that Buchwald will control Ashley and "keep her clothes on and out of Playboy" at least until the criminal cases are over. Very good move by the feds. I wonder who is paying Buchwald's bill? He may have agreed to take a contingency on her Playboy and book deals, or have his hourly fees billed paid from the proceeds of those deals.

 

[Eliot Spitzer]

Kepler,
I wonder who is paying Buchwald's bill? He may have agreed to take a contingency on her Playboy and book deals, or have his hourly fees billed paid from the proceeds of those deals.

Can he do that? I thought there were ethical restrictions to contingency deals like that.

Also:

"..Nightlife sources recalled Dupré as a club rat decked out in "amazing clothes," carrying "a lot of money" and hanging with celebrities like music producer Jermaine Dupri. They also mentioned "crazy vacations," including a visit to St. Tropez, France, with Dupré insisting the cash came from her wealthy suburban parents. "If she was a prostitute, she hid it well," said one source...."

Man, I've heard stories about guys who date women only to find out later on that they're 'working girls.' Kind of makes you wonder who's leading double lives out there. And if she was making 100k a month - holy cow, that's a LOT of dick she's processing, even at 5k a session.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Can he do that? I thought there were ethical restrictions to contingency deals like that.

It depends. If the contingency is he gets his hourly bill on the criminal matter paid from the proceeds of one of her assets, that is not unethical, unless he acquires a proprietary interest in any litigation asset. And he can't do a straight contingency except in a personal injury case and certain other non-criminal cases, which is usually one third (capped by law in CT, I think you can do a higher contingency % in NY).

It's very common among personal injury attorneys to have clients pay for hourly bills incurred on other matters (including criminal matters) paid from the proceeds of the personal injury case. It really does not matter where the money comes from if it is the client's money. Here the book deal is going to be the source of payment. It's an hourly bill being paid on the contingency of the book deal happening, which is really not a contingency but a certainty. So I may have used the wrong word. He cannot do a straight contingency in a criminal matter nor would it make any sense to do so.

Rule 1.5(c) and (d) of the Rules of Professional Conduct state:

(c) A fee may be contingent on the outcome of the matter for which the service is rendered, except in a matter in which a contingent fee is prohibited by subsection (d) or other law. A contingent fee agreement shall be in a writing signed by the client and shall state the method by which the fee is to be determined, including the percentage or percentages of the recovery that shall accrue to the lawyer as a fee in the event of settlement, trial or appeal, whether and to what extent the client will be responsible for any court costs and expenses of litigation, and whether such expenses are to be deducted before or after the contingent fee is calculated. The agreement must clearly notify the client of any expenses for which the client will be liable whether or not the client is the prevailing party. Upon conclusion of a contingent fee matter, the lawyer shall provide the client with a written statement stating the outcome of the matter and, if there is a recovery, showing the remittance to the client and the method of its determination.

(d) A lawyer shall not enter into an arrangement for, charge, or collect:

(1) Any fee in a domestic relations matter, the payment or amount of which is contingent upon the securing of a dissolution of marriage or civil union or upon the amount of alimony or support, or property settlement in lieu thereof; or

(2) A contingent fee for representing a defendant in a criminal case.

 

[Eliot Spitzer]

..usually one third (by law in CT, I think you can do a higher contingency % in NY)....

...He cannot do a straight contingency in a criminal matter nor would it make any sense to do so.

As to the first part, those days are long gone in NY - it's actually less than 1/3 now (I forget what the limit is, but I know it was cut down). And yeah, the part about contingencies in a criminal case was what I thought would be problematic.

Did you see this:

"...Dupré, despite her tender age, was a workaholic who was on the job six days a week, Itzler claimed. She was often called for repeat business.

"She thrived on it, like a fish in water," he said. "Almost like an actor on stage on Broadway. Alive, you know?"


A workaholic. Damn, in just about any other profession, that would be universally regarded as a compliment. Here, all it means is...

...well, she's willing to meet the demand.

Seriously, though, you have to wonder with girls who work that much, even at high end places. One day her number (and that of her customers) is going to come up for STDs - just the law of averages, no matter how careful she is.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Eliot,

I haven't done a PI case in NY in many years but I do recall at one time a 40% contingency was allowed. It makes sense that it would be cut back, although PI cases in Connecticut are much more lucrative than in NY due to the "serious injury" threshold requirement for any PI case in NY.

The quotes of Itzler you made in your post and the new info has me wondering whether "Kristen" was offering some liberal service to Spitzer. If he was repeating with her, and paying her a lot of money, it's possible she was providing more than a CBJ I would think.

 

[Kepler]

It's being reported in the NY Post that the government has given her immunity from prosecution in exchange for her testimony. So the IRS will have to let it pass.

I can totally understand immunity from criminal prosecution in exchange for testimony.

But she gets to keep all her earnings (hundreds of thousands) tax free? Not even pay the tax owing?

 

[EagerBeaver]

But she gets to keep all her earnings (hundreds of thousands) tax free? Not even pay the tax owing?

Well, it depends on the scope of the immunity deal. If the immunity is just from criminal prosecution, the IRS can still sue her in a civil case or claim a lien on any book or Playboy deals. If I were her attorney, I would have tried to negotiate a broad scope of immunity to include a release from from civil suit/liens/collection. The federal prosecutors would likely have the authority to sign off on that, but whether that is what got worked out is anyone's guess.

The problem is the IRS needs evidence of what her earnings were. They don't have any nor will they likely ever have any. She was paid cash. Jason Itzler's speculations are hearsay and are not evidence of anything. My guess is that the immunity deal will cover her on all of this.

She will have to pay tax on the Playboy and book deal income, of course.

 

[Eliot Spitzer]

The web site of the "Emperor's Club VIP said the girls were chosen for their "level of education, family background, intelligence, personality."

So much for advertising. Not to be rude, but after reading her myspace page, it gives the impression of no education, a broken home and mildly depressed personality.

....like I'd care!

 

[General Gonad]

Did Eliot Spitzer get caught b/c he did not spend enough on prostitutes?

The first thing that grabs your attention about the sex scandal involving New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer is, of course, the client. But, there's another aspect to the story that should raise eyebrows: $4,300. That's the bill Spitzer incurred for his dangerous liaison at the Mayflower hotel. Who would pay that much, and could you ever really get your money's worth?

In fact, $4,300 is not an altogether alarming sum of money in the high-end sex market. Spitzer got a bargain—and that may have been his downfall.

http://www.slate.com/id/2186491

GG

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

$4,300

Plus the hotel, which starts at $500 per night, plus tax. Plus mini bar. Plus room service. Plus train. Plus gifts, which, considering this wasn't his first date with "Kristen" were likely considerable.

Plus Governor's wages for however many years. Plus divorce lawyer. Plus alimony and child support. Considering Spitzer's net worth, the final tally for his little dalliance could wind up in the tens of millions.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The posts in this thread have basically focused on 4 issues:

1. Spitzer's hypocrisy;
2. Spitzer's apparent stupidity in making wire transfers that got him caught;
3. Spitzer overpaying/paying too much money for sex;
4. Kristen's looks and whether she was worth it.

Forgetting about these issues for a second, I submit there is another issue that needs to be discussed: Spitzer's legend as a horndog.

Spitzer had at least 8 confirmed sessions with Empire Club escorts and spent $80,000 on escorts in the last 8 months, all while he served as Governor of the State of New York. That he was able to do this for that long - and possibly for a lot longer, had he not fucked up - is nothing short of amazing. We are talking about one of the most legendary hobbyists of all time. He had to:

1. Ditch his security detail;
2. Make clever and plausible excuses to his wife, aides and staff for his disappearance for 2 and 3 hour stretches of time;
3. He risked having escorts who recognized him blackmail him (although apparently Kristen did not know who he was until the last session, and how she made the ID is unclear);
4. He knew being caught would result in the immediate end of his political career, and knew he could be prosecuted.
5. He paid huge sums of money, likely because what he thought he was buying was also the discretion of a very professional outfit and their staff.

I am reading between the lines and thinking that he fell for Kristen. It would have been a lot easier for him to simply pay her to be his mistress, and his exclusive mistress. He could have afforded it. I firmly believe, however, that Spitzer did this not only for the sex with Kristen but, like the rest of us, he enjoyed the thrill of it, as well as the thrill of taking and beating the risks. Has anyone in the history of the hobby ever risked more and lost more?

Make no mistake: Eliot Spitzer's days as a hobbyist are not over. They have only just begun. And when Silda files for divorce, Spitzer's hobbying may become GG-like in its relentlessness. We could see him in Montreal soon.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

And when Silda files for divorce, Spitzer's hobbying may become GG-like in its relentlessness. We could see him in Montreal soon.

Preparations are already underway.
http://mademoisellemgmt.com/recruitment.htm

 

[General Gonad]

Forgetting about these issues for a second, I submit there is another issue that needs to be discussed: Spitzer's legend as a horndog.

Spitzer had at least 8 confirmed sessions with Empire Club escorts and spent $80,000 on escorts in the last 8 months, all while he served as Governor of the State of New York. That he was able to do this for that long - and possibly for a lot longer, had he not fucked up - is nothing short of amazing. We are talking about one of the most legendary hobbyists of all time.

Beav,

At $5,000 a pop, you can quickly reach $80,000 in no time.

And when Silda files for divorce, Spitzer's hobbying may become GG-like in its relentlessness. We could see him in Montreal soon.

All he has to do is stick to my hit lists. I just hope he was smart enough to stash some cash in some secret bank account.

GG

 

[Kepler]

The problem is the IRS needs evidence of what her earnings were. They don't have any nor will they likely ever have any.

Revenue Canada can use estimates of income based on lifestyle. (Eg: You declare $30,000 income but drive a BMW and own a $900,000 home, you must therefore have income of $X). Unless you can explain how you afford your lifestyle, you are presumed to earn the estimated income.

Personally, if I was an HDH SP, even in the USA, I'd declare all my income. Just incorporate yourself, claim that you're a "companionship only" escort or "alternative medicine psychologist", or late night Feng Shui consultant.

No need to launder money, and you can even legally accept credit cards and deduct your travel expenses or automobiles from your income!

 

[EagerBeaver]

Revenue Canada can use estimates of income based on lifestyle. (Eg: You declare $30,000 income but drive a BMW and own a $900,000 home, you must therefore have income of $X). Unless you can explain how you afford your lifestyle, you are presumed to earn the estimated income.

Kepler,

I am aware of the IRS going after and prosecuting a number of agency owners in New York and CT for unreported income, but they never go after escorts, and there is a pretty obvious reason: these ladies (including "Kristen") spend the unreported income as fast as they make it. Kristen was taking trips to St. Tropez, and spending her money rather than dropping it into liquid assets, which is par for the course with many of the HDH ladies. They don't have big savings accounts in most cases. So it's really a collection issue. If there are no assets left, there is nothing to recoup.

I know of one federal fraud prosecution in which a guy in NYC swindled $20,000,000 from an insurance company and when the feds sought to recoup the swindled monies, he had spent every penny of it on drugs, gambling, escorts and very expensive wines which he drank. All gone. And with these girls, in most cases, the money is all gone and spent and there is nothing left that makes it worth it for the IRS to bother proceeding against them. This is in contrast to the agency owners who are usually amassing wealth albeit in different names and corporations and certain laws empower the IRS to void those transfers and go after those assets.

It sounds from what I read in the NY Post that Kristen is/was thinking of moving back to NJ with her mother because she can no longer afford to pay $3400 a month for her apartment in the flatiron district. She is a renter, and has no liquid assets except a very nice watch and clothes. That will of course change but not until the criminal cases are over.

 

[korbel]

She sort of looks like Mercedes in those glasses. Let me see, $400 for 2 hours vs $ 4,000 or whatever it was. Either Montreal will start losing women to NY or, with a little advertising , Montreal could be overrun with US politicians.

Hello all,

No doubt she has a very hot body and is sexy looking. But $4,000...not by a damn sight. I guess that is what one gets when both the client and provider are pretentiously elitist. Last night on Larry King one of "Kristen's" co-workers said she made $2,000 an hour with a 6 hour minimum, and then described her like the hottest thing since Helen of Troy. To paraphrase, oh she is incredibly beautiful and one of the sexiest women anywhere. Frankly, I rate her looks below an 8 of 10 and her body slightly higher. I have been with better and for far, far less. Maybe clients like Spitzer enjoy paying that much because somehow it confirms to them their perceived elite social status. Now he will probably have to pay a lot more than the money for his pretentions...and deservedly so.

Crazy,

Korbel