Obama versus McCain: Debate 3.

[korbel]

Hello all,

Yeah...you knew I'd have the last one.

THIS IS A PUBLIC POLL!

PLEASE DO NOT VOTE UNTIL THE DEBATE IS OVER. Let’s give each candidate a chance to be heard, or if you don’t watch the debate, wait until there are some facts about it to base your decision on.

Based on the answers from each candidate in tonight’s debate, and possibly including your assessment of the first debate, who do you believe is more fit to be President, and did either candidate win decisively enough to change the election outcome??? Why?

This is a multiple choice poll. You can pick a choice in each area for your candidate, or you can mix your choices between different candidates depending on who you thought was better in each area. Just pick one candidate in each area as you wish. Of course you can just pick the main reason you thought a candidate was the better choice.

Have fun,

Korbel

PS

Remember it's for fun and conversation, not to change the world. So please vote even if you cannot vote for real.

 

[korbel]

Hello all,

Apologies to those who had already posted in the previous thread. But that thread showed 5 voters before the debate even took place. I had thought this should be a private vote. But seeing there were 5 voters I thought we should know who was refusing to give any kind of fair consideration to the purpose of this poll, which is to evaluate how the candidates did in this debate not just vote for your favorite. Some may still avoid considering the debate fairly. So be it. But, I think we should know who they are so their bias can be duly noted. This thread is meant for some thoughtful stimulation as fair as it can be, not a rally for your candidate.

Cheers,

Korbel

 

[beautydigger]

Hello all,
Some may still avoid considering the debate fairly. So be it. But, I think we should know who they are so their bias can be duly noted.

Cheers,

Korbel

Yeah, the same type of people that are committing voter fraud for ACORN. Nobama supporters.

 

[korbel]

Yeah, the same type of people that are committing voter fraud for ACORN. Nobama supporters.

LOL BTYDGR,

"Reliable"...aren't you.

Just listening to CNN. Polls from California to New York are showing Obama with a lead from 8-15 points nationally in every poll mentioned. So McCain needs a huge knockout blow tonight to change Obama's momentum.

BIG HUG!

Korbie

 

[korbel]

Hello all,

CNN polls show Georgia, which I think was the most heavily Republican state in 2004, giving McCain only an 8 point lead. It's "do or die" in the debate tonight for McCain. He has to take risks both attacking and being bold in new policy, either of which could sink him with negativity, or ideas his conservative base would reject. If Obama doesn't stumble in a big way I don't see how McCain can change the momentum enough to catch up.

Cheers,

Korbel

 

[korbel]

Hello all,

Wondering if McCain will take the bait of Obamas challenge and go after Obama on this "terrorist" association???

It will also be interesting to see the effect of the candidates being across the table from each other with more time for direct response and challenge.

Hmmm,

Korbel

 

[korbel]

Well all,

"JOE THE PLUMBER"...save McCain's campaign...pllleeeeaaassseee.

lol,

Korbel

 

[korbel]

Hello all,

"Do you think this debate will change momentum in the election?"

I don't think this debate will change the basic momentum of the election at all. More women generally like Obama and more men generally like McCain, and Obama is attracting larger support from combined voters. I think this debate turned out the same as the others, with the basic outcome that people have become more and more comfortable with the idea of Obama as President even if they don't like his policies. He has stood close to McCain and looked just as qualified as one of the longest serving and experienced senators in Congress. That's a big victory for Obama.

With the way the economic conditions are pushing voter views, McCain has totally failed to get any kind of knockout blow against Obama at all.

Cheers,

Korbel

 

[bond_james_bond]

I think McCain scored some points.

Obama was not convincing about going against his own party, or repudiating comments made from extremists, imo.

And business taxes in the US at 35% vs. Ireland at 11% causing businesses to go overseas, seemed plausible.

I think perhaps Obama should raise his $250K limit for small businesses as opposed to individuals (i.e. businesses making less than $1 mil would not experience a tax increase).

But ... I still won't vote for either of them.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Debate

Was the debate translated in subtitles in Montreal?

McCain did much better in this debate than the last one, IMO

 

[korbel]

Hello all,

I thought McCain did much better early in the debate. He was more energetic, forceful, and countered well. Then McCain started becoming shrill and condescending. I don't think being more forceful makes a bad point better. I was listening to details not the energy in responses. The details favored Obama in my view.

really,

Korbel

 

[Doc Holliday]

One candidate looked old, angry, nasty, twitchy, condescending & negative. He sometimes attempted to sound funny but it sounded more sarcastic. He had a few sound bites lined up & used them when the opportunity presented itself (e.g. I'm not George Bush...if you wanted to run against George Bush you should have run 4 years ago.).

The other candidate looked energized, calm, friendly, serious & humble, respectful & rarely attempted attempted to make the other candidate look bad.

It was McCain's best debate so far, but still not enough to beat Obama. I predict 50% will say Obama won the debate & maybe 45% will claim McCain won it. Some might say it was a draw. Of course, Fox News will have a poll where 95% will say McCain clearly won it. The fact many will be under the impression that McCain won the debate was because he didn't do as badly as they're used to in the previous debates.

Obama was clear, precise & obviously wanted to discuss the serious issues facing Americans. McCain at times was all over the place. I became irritated when he constantly mentionned "Joe the Plumber". Joe the Plumber seems to have replaced Joe Six Pack as a sound bite for the McCain/Palin campaign. Who the fuck is Joe the Plumber?? And why? Because he sounds less redneck than Joe Six Pack??

Obama gave a hell of a closing speech. McCain's was okay, but it gave the impression that he was begging the voters to vote for him.

Conclusion: McCain is clearly not comfortable wearing a suit & tie. At times, it looked like his head was about to blow up. He looked so uncomfortable. Now i know what people mean when they say that it almost looks like he feels like going for a crap when he gets upset.

 

[korbel]

Obama was clear, precise & obviously wanted to discuss the serious issues facing Americans. McCain at times was all over the place.

Hello Doc,

Some people give points on "gotcha" sound bites. Some favor the quality of answers. I was impressed with the way Obama was far more successful with staying on message with more detailed ideas, while McCain inserted the old Republican standards of Democrats mean higher taxes whenever he could. And I found "Joe the Plumber" a great idea for a while...a sour gimmicky caricature later. And, Obama took away a bit of McCain's punch by adopting and addressing "Joe" too.

Cheers,

Korbel

PS

The first CNN polls, proportioned on the actual voter party percentages nationally show Obama winning the debate by handily a decisive margin of 27 points...58%-31%. I'm surprised.

 

[Doc Holliday]

One other point:

McCain tried to con the viewers into making it appear only the Obama camp as running negative ads. The way i look at it, McCain's camp started a negative & slanderous campaign from day 1 & every single ad they've made has been negative & very slanderous in nature. Obama's camp finally retaliated at the urging of everyone on his side & most of his negative ads were actually true. McCain's ads were mostly untrue & downright slanderous at times.

McCain is using the same tactics that were used against him by Bush back in 2000 & he had attacked those types of 'dirty' political tactics at the time & claimed he'd never stoop this low.

To conclude, the negative attacks by McCain turned against him. Mostly because he figured the American people were too stupid to realize how slanderous they were. To his credit, Obama's attacks came in retaliation & each negative attack had some truth in it & doing a fact-check proved it. Now that the negative campaign has turned against him & he's been accused of stirring up the racists, McCain is in damage-control & trying to clean up the mess his campaign has started by doing a 180 & trying to pin the blame on Obama's campaign. At times during the debate when he attempted to do this, McCain looked ridiculous. I remember thinking "what's he saying? That it's wrong for Obama to object to some McCain/Palin yahoos to yell out "terrorist" & "kill him"????"

 

[mass1965]

Obama appeared "Presidential" while McCain did not. This was a striking difference.
I think people will look at this more than the substance of the debate, which IMO also went to Obama

 

[korbel]

Hello all,

Just listening to CNN polls and the results are surprising based on this debate and staggering overall. Obama wins on the issues and being likable with up to 80% of the debate watchers. And nearly 80% said McCain was more negative. WOW! Considering the general appearance of this debate it's amazing Obama is favored so decisively.

DAMN,

Korbel

 

[Doc Holliday]

Obama appeared "Presidential" while McCain did not. This was a striking difference.
I think people will look at this more than the substance of the debate, which IMO also went to Obama

Is it just me or did McCain appear extremely nervous throughout the debate? I found it even more noticeable at the end of the debate.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Suprising as it may sound, but a recent poll shows Obama ahead of McCain by as much as 14 points. Among likely voters, Obama is ahead 53% to 39% for McCain, the largest margin so far in the campaign. Among the independent voters, Obama now leads McCain by 18 points.

More importantly, McCain's strategy over the past 2 weeks to attack Obama for his character & associations has backfired terribly & the main reason why the gap has gotten bigger. Twenty-one per cent of voters said their opinion of McCain has changed for the worse in the last couple of weeks, and the top two reasons cited were the negative campaign and McCain's choice of the controversial Palin as his running mate.

My prediction is that Obama will bulldoze McCain on November 4th. Grandpa McNasty will be roadkill. Turn out the lights, the party's over folks!

 

[mass1965]

Is it just me or did McCain appear extremely nervous throughout the debate? I found it even more noticeable at the end of the debate.

Yes, all of your descriptions of McCain, in an earlier post, point to him being uncomfortable. On the other hand Obama was at ease, confident or "Presidential". I mean who would you follow someone that was at ease and comfortable or someone that was clearly uncomfortable.

Maybe McCain is fearfull that his time has past. It is too bad he didnt get the Rep nomination 8 years ago. He is a decent honorable man. However that said, Obama is also and IMO more capable.

 

[sybaritic]

Joe the Pooner

Seems clear from the Korbel polls: Joe the Pooner has spoken!

Surprisingly progressive?