Osama bin Laden is DEAD!!!
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I think that the US will look the other way at Pakistan. It is too dangerous not too. Pakistan has a lot of Taliban and Al Queda sympathizers. The US does not want to inflame the government nor the population of Pakistan. Pakistan is the only Muslim country currently that has a tested nuclear missle with the means to deliver it. The US needs to keep whatever government Pakistan has at the moment. The current government placates the population. It may have been the government that allowed Bin Laden access to his last residence, but exposing it would not be prudent.
""Last night's news unified our country," much as the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, did, Republican House Speaker John Boehner said earlier in the day. "This, of course,"continued Boehner, "does not include daydreamer41, consumed as he is by dopey teabagger ideology." Obama later appealed for that unity to take root as the U.S. presses the fight against a terrorist network that is still lethal — and now vowing vengeance."
The storys dont add up?
8 high ranking government officials have already confirmed his death over the last few years?
There are even claims that he has been buried since december..,
There is no proof to the public, except obamas word..? Sounds typically american=cover-up/ bogus..
mark my words.. This story will lead to another "attack" or "apparent retaliation"(on americans).. Which in turn will be once again another "pretext for war" so the americans can continue the "conquest of controlling oil land"...
..?
I am not a conspiracy theorist, im just not a "sheep"...
Of course i know that laden orchestrated the terror attack, i just also know that someone in the american pyramid also let this happen..once again as a pretext for war...
Dead or not.. At least the world can stop mentioning the name bin laden..? And all sides of this "story" could move on to other things..
8 high ranking government officials have already confirmed his death over the last few years?
There are even claims that he has been buried since december..,
There is no proof to the public, except obamas word..? Sounds typically american=cover-up/ bogus..
mark my words.. This story will lead to another "attack" or "apparent retaliation"(on americans).. Which in turn will be once again another "pretext for war" so the americans can continue the "conquest of controlling oil land"...
..?
I am not a conspiracy theorist, im just not a "sheep"...
Of course i know that laden orchestrated the terror attack, i just also know that someone in the american pyramid also let this happen..once again as a pretext for war...
Dead or not.. At least the world can stop mentioning the name bin laden..? And all sides of this "story" could move on to other things..
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I guess I will say it here also:
It was WATERBOARDING (Oh, no, the Liberal screams), which Bush defended and Obama was offended by, that aided Bin Laden's demise.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...n_if_waterboarding_helped_find_bin_laden.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42887470#42887470
It was WATERBOARDING (Oh, no, the Liberal screams), which Bush defended and Obama was offended by, that aided Bin Laden's demise.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...n_if_waterboarding_helped_find_bin_laden.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42887470#42887470
It's been confirmed by several governmental officials that Khalid Sheik Mohammad was the source who provided the most information that enabled them to ultimately find Bin Laden. Sheik Mohammad was waterboarded an unofficial record 183 times, so we can assume that the waterboarding loosened up his lips.
And loose lips sink ships.
And loose lips sink ships.
The problem with waterboarding is that since its now widely known that the US is doing it (and had been approved by its own President (Bush) as an accepted 'interrogation' technique), what prevents other countries from doing it to captured Americans & how will the US justify its own objections to it when being done to their own soldiers or citizens?
It's also been proven that people getting waterboarded will tell you anything you want to hear in order to get it to stop. Whether they're telling the 'interrogator' lies or not, it doesn't matter....they will tell them what they want to hear.
It's also been proven that people getting waterboarded will tell you anything you want to hear in order to get it to stop. Whether they're telling the 'interrogator' lies or not, it doesn't matter....they will tell them what they want to hear.
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Apparently you are unaware of the the fact that US troops and in particular Navy Seals have waterboarding and torture as part of their basic training, so the first part of your post makes no sense. The special ops forces train their personnel how to react to being captured and part of being captured, in doing ops in Arab countries, is you can expect to be tortured when captured. So it is part of their training, they are tortured and taught methods of resistance and endurance.
Regarding waterboarding, Khalid Sheik Mohammed did not "lie" when waterboarded, he gave up valuable information on a courier that was traced to Bin Laden. He gave up very general information on the courier which enabled the CIA to piece that information with other information to identify precisely who the courier was. As far as someone telling the torturer "lies", you are completely discrediting the ability of the interrogator to detect a lie. If a lie is being given, the waterboarding does not stop like you seem to think. It continues. Those are the rules in any torture situation, those always have been the rules and they apply to any form of torture. It does not stop until the truth is told and the trained interrogator knows how to sort bullshit from the truth.
The fact that Sheik Mohammad was waterboarded 183 times suggests his own training was good. He may have been waterboarded unconscious or into a precarious cardiovascular state before giving out any information that was meaningful, leading to the repeat attempts.
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EB, I was going to say the same thing in response to Doc's post. US troops have waterboarding trainng.
But the problem is in the Middle East, they do a lot worse than waterboarding. Waterboarding is playtime. They have beheaded captured US troops. This notion that they enemy plays by Geneva convention is really skewed logic.
But the problem is in the Middle East, they do a lot worse than waterboarding. Waterboarding is playtime. They have beheaded captured US troops. This notion that they enemy plays by Geneva convention is really skewed logic.
I'm not surprised to hear this, considering you were a die-hard George W. Bush supporter (i expect you to deny it, considering the disaster he was at POTUS) & a likely financial supporter to the Republican party's cause (and other right-wing think tanks) over the years. I'm also not surprised considering the likes of Karl Rove & Paul Wolfowitz were very probably your heroes less than a decade ago. You also probably supported the 'outing' of a CIA agent (Valerie Plame) by Cheney, Rove & Libby years ago as a form of retaliation against her husband, former US ambassador Joe Wilson. I'm simply assuming, of course.
I'm quite aware that waterboarding is part of Navy Seals' training techniques. However, do US civilians like yourself go through that training also? What if you're on a trip to Mexico & you get kidnapped. The kidnappers believe you're a CIA spy & want to get some info out of you. Do you honestly believe that the US government has no problem with its citizens being waterboarded?
Eagerbeaver, give me 15 minutes & let me waterboard you the next time we happen to be in Mtl. I can guarantee you that i'll have you admitting to the JFK assassination. I guarantee it!
I'd also suggest that you stop drinking the Kool-Aid & stop watching Fox Noise. Most of the people i've heard supporting waterboarding are right-wingers & some members of the current Republican party, who have stated that info received from K.S. Muhammad during his torture were useful. And even if this were true, is it okay to get info by doing this? What does the United Stated of America stand for anyway? What have we become if we have to stoop as low as those people? Since when have we become the torturers?
The Founding Fathers must be rolling in their graves today.....
True. And it can also be said that prisoners have died during 'interrogation' by the US authorities at Gitmo. What i'm getting at is that we've come to a point where a case could be made that we're no better than people we consider 'the ennemy' when it comes to respecting human rights.
I never voted for George W. Bush, period, and it is irrelevant to anything I posted whether I supported him or not. I don't think Alan Dershowitze supported him either, and he has written a book on this subject which based on your prior very uninformed post, you should read.
Why am i not surprised by this answer? LOL!!!!!!
As for Alan Dershowitz, my personal opinion of him is that he's a piece-of-shit lawyer. A brilliant one, but still a piece-of-shit. I have nothing against lawyers, except for the ones that are piece-of-shit lawyers....such as Alan Dershowitz, Gloria Aldred & many others. I will never read anything written by the prick who got Claus Van Bulau off for attempting to murder his wife & turning her into a vegetable.
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You can be surprised all you want, I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 and 2004 and for Obama in 2008. I consistently voted for 3rd party candidates prior to 2008. Your posts on my political views, like your prior post, is completely uninformed, and they are also irrelevant to this issue which is not a political issue as far as I am concerned. You posted this:
It was pointed out thereafter that US soldiers are trained in waterboarding and torture, which just about anyone who knows anything about the US military knows. I am not the one who put up the uninformed post.
Civilians also have no relevance to this discussion. Khalid Sheik Mohammad was/is not a civilian, he was an armed combatant and in fact he murdered Daniel Pearl not to mention thousands of others in terrorist attacks.
It was pointed out thereafter that US soldiers are trained in waterboarding and torture, which just about anyone who knows anything about the US military knows. I am not the one who put up the uninformed post.
Civilians also have no relevance to this discussion. Khalid Sheik Mohammad was/is not a civilian, he was an armed combatant and in fact he murdered Daniel Pearl not to mention thousands of others in terrorist attacks.
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President Obama decides not to release OBL photos
Due to their graphic & gory nature, the pictures of Osama Bin Laden will not be released to the public.
Personally, i think this was the right call by one of the world's most intelligent leaders. I believe the pictures simply would have infuriated Bin Laden's supporters & cause more harm than good.
Due to their graphic & gory nature, the pictures of Osama Bin Laden will not be released to the public.
Personally, i think this was the right call by one of the world's most intelligent leaders. I believe the pictures simply would have infuriated Bin Laden's supporters & cause more harm than good.
You left out who you voted for in 2000. No need to answer, i already know it: BUSH.
By the way, a vote for Ralph Nader in 2004 was generally regarded as a vote for Bush. Even his supporters begged him not to run in 2004 & 2008 for the reasons i just mentionned.
If it is indeed true that you voted for Obama in 2008, i must admit that i'm pleasantly surprised. I don't buy it, but if true, i'm really surprised. However, considering the opposition in 2008 was a septagenarian (John McCain) and a bimbo (Sarah Palin), i suppose that i shouldn't be entirely surprised that you voted for the best guy.
Congratulations on your switch of political allegiance! Ross Perot might not have been proud of you, but i am. Well done!
I voted for Nader in 2000 and 2004 (see my prior post) but attaching any significance to who I voted for or why is silly and irrelevant. I don't believe Presidents should dictate policy on intelligence. Our country operated this way for 200 years where the CIA was left to its own devices to determine what was and was not appropriate. The President appoints a CIA Director and lets him set policy on these issues. Presidential politics should have absolutely nothing to do with these issues. I believe intelligence gathering should be left to the judgment of intelligence professionals just like law enforcement is left to the judgment of law enforcement professionals. I also have no problem with the waterboarding of Khalid Sheik Mohammed if it was deemed appropriate by his interrogators. He was not a "civilian".
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President Obama is refusing to release the death photo's of Osama bin Laden! We watched innocent citizens fall 90 floors to their deaths on 9/11 but showing a picture of a dead OBL can't be handled by the American public. F'n bullshit!!
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