interesting. and they would have a place of praise if he had died previously whether it was by an attack or even of natural causes.
Osama bin Laden is DEAD!!!
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interesting. and they would have a place of praise if he had died previously whether it was by an attack or even of natural causes.
Hey the torture works. The Khmer Rouge got millions of villagers to admit they had ties to both the CIA and the KGB prior to their execution even though they never heard of each. However, I do believe that the outcry about water boarding was politically motivated from the apologetic left wing Bush haters. Just like the government needs to stay out of my bedroom, the do-gooders need to stay out of the business of how the CIA interrogates these worthless fucking Jihadists. Does anyone think that how we treat terrorists makes any difference to the ignorant masses in the Middle East? Is there any way to win them over as the former political activist (code word for rebel rouser and entitlement beggar) and current president believed?
Obama deserves his day. I wish Bush would have stood together with Obama at ground zero. The need to hunt down and kill every one of these terrorist fucks goes across party lines.
I only hope that the Seal team 6 would have captured Osama so they could water board the piss out of him and then shoot him in the fucking head after they have had some fun .
Herman Cain for President!
And Holliday we agree on at least one thing. OJ was railroaded. Free the Juice! Free the Juice!
On another note, with US flags being burned and Osama being harbored by Pakistan...should we give them another 3B$ this year?
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Maybe we'll have to wait for Wikileaks to uncover the truth behind the caper. There are way too many inconsistencies & the Pentagon may be hiding the truth (surprise-surprise!). For one, if indeed OBL's compound was within a kilometer of Pakistan's version of West Point, why did it take more than an hour for any of the Pakistani authorities to respond? Wouldn't you expect the Pakistani army to show up as soon as they heard the helicopters & the shooting that was supposedly going on?
My assumption is that the Pakistani authorities had been advised about the secret mission a short time before it occurred & told to stay put until ordered to do so. But then people would be asking why the US stated that they had not involved Pakistan in on the secret mission. Simple. To protect Pakistan from retaliation by Bin Laden's followers & other terrorist groups. It's entirely possible that to get Pakistan's okay to be able to fly into Pakistan, that the US had to promise not to include Pakistan's involvement in the mission when reporting about it to the world during the aftermath.
Julian Assange, where are you buddy?
Hello all,
Doc, I've got to agree with you here. There's no way the SEAL team gets 40 minutes undisturbed with that base so near without some sort of highest level order to do so. Looking at Pakistani reactions to the strike operation, one commending it and the other very angry about it, one would have to believe there are serious divisions within this government that would make any foreknowledge of the strike extremely problematic and possibly risk allowing escape. But the lack of response from the base seems to say differently. It looks like the U.S. knew who to go to at the right time without tipping off the sympathizers within.
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Merlot
Doc, I've got to agree with you here. There's no way the SEAL team gets 40 minutes undisturbed with that base so near without some sort of highest level order to do so. Looking at Pakistani reactions to the strike operation, one commending it and the other very angry about it, one would have to believe there are serious divisions within this government that would make any foreknowledge of the strike extremely problematic and possibly risk allowing escape. But the lack of response from the base seems to say differently. It looks like the U.S. knew who to go to at the right time without tipping off the sympathizers within.
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Michael Mukasey, the former Attorney General for the US in the Bush Administration wrote an article in the Wall St. Journal published May 6, 2011 saying that the Enhanced Interrogation methods (eg waterboarding) did indeed lead to the killing of Bin Laden.
http://marklevinshow.com/goout.asp?...305023876506348.html?mod=WSJ_newsreel_opinion
There is a lot of officials saying all kinds of conflicting information. Panetta leaked it out first. He should have said nothing. I think that the others are doing damage control. Besides, from what I have heard and read, Enhanced Interrogation methods like waterboarding were done in countries such as Romania and Bulgaria and not at Gitmo. They interrogated the prisoners before sending them to Gitmo. This policy of sending them to another country to be interrogated was started by Bill Clinton before 9/11 and Gitmo. I do not have a link for this, Rumps. I heard a security expert (Frank Gaffney) say this on a radio program. I guess you can google this, since you are the expert.
Come on, Merlot. You are comparing hungry to Bin Laden because hungry gave a description of what he would like seen done to Bin Laden? Bin Laden was pure evil. His plans murdered close to 3,000 innocent people. Your moral equivalent comparison is really gross.
Well,
Read again. He said Obama, the President. Not Osama. A spelling error. Sorry. It reminded me of some Tea Party sickos.
Merlot
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Well,
Read again. He said Obama, the President. Not Osama. A spelling error. Sorry. It reminded me of some Tea Party sickos.
Merlot
I thought he said Osama. I hope he did not mean Obama. Even though I do not like Obama, I don't want to see violence against him. And no, the Tea Party does not have sickos who want to see Obama killed. That's in your own biased mind. On the other hand, there have been many leftist who wanted to see Bush killed. Heck, there was a movie made about that subject. Leftist sickos.
Good point...You are probably correct. So it costs 3B$ per year for this eh? Maybe in the scheme of things this is worth it.
The US had to get Pakistan's government's okay or the Navy seals would have risked being shot down a good ways before reaching the Bin Laden hide out. The leader of Pakistan "acted" surprised and with anger so to mask Pakistan's cooperation so not to cause the Paki Taliban to act violently. They burned American flags, but that was it. Doc's assessment is correct.
Which Side Is Pakistan On?
Hello all,
Pakistan identifies top CIA officer
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...11/05/10/pakistan_identifies_top_cia_officer/
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — For the second time in five months, Pakistani officials have angered the CIA by tipping the news media to the identity of the US station chief in Islamabad, a deliberate effort to complicate the work of the spy agency in the aftermath of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, American officials said.
The leak demonstrated the tilt toward a near-adversarial relationship between the CIA and the Pakistani spy agency, the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate, or ISI, since the bin Laden raid. It appeared to be intended to show the leverage the Pakistanis retain over American interests in the country, both sides said.
In an address before Parliament yesterday, Prime Minister Yousaf Gilani made clear that Pakistani officials at the highest levels accepted little responsibility for the fact that bin Laden was able to hide in their country for years.
Instead, Gilani condemned the United States for a violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty and called the Al Qaeda leader’s presence in Pakistan an intelligence failure of the “whole world.’’
He said it was “disingenuous’’ for anyone to imply that the ISI or the army was “in cahoots’’ with bin Laden, something American officials suspect but for which they acknowledge they have no proof.
The prime minister’s statements, along with the publication of the name of the CIA station chief, signaled the depths of the recriminations and potential for retaliation on both sides as American officials demand greater transparency and cooperation from Pakistan, which has not been forthcoming.
The Pakistani spy agency gave the name of the station chief to The Nation, a conservative daily newspaper with a small circulation that is supportive of the ISI, American and Pakistani officials said. The name that appeared in print was misspelled but close enough to send a clear signal, the officials said.
Similarly, last December, the cover of the station chief at the time was deliberately revealed by the ISI, again by a close approximation of the name, American officials said. As a result, he was forced to leave the country.
The new station chief has no intention of leaving Pakistan, US officials said. The New York Times generally does not identify American intelligence operatives working undercover.
Described as one of the agency’s toughest and most experienced officers, the current station chief supervised aspects of the successful raid against bin Laden, including the CIA safe house used to spy on the compound where bin Laden lived for five years.
The safe house was located close enough to the compound at Abbottabad for CIA agents to gather details of the daily life of the Al Qaeda leader that helped in planning the operation, Obama administration officials said.
The relationship between the new station chief and the head of the ISI, Lieutenant General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, has been described by officials familiar with their meetings as particularly acrimonious.
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...and the U.S. gives this government how many $billions each year???
Merlot
Hello all,
Pakistan identifies top CIA officer
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...11/05/10/pakistan_identifies_top_cia_officer/
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — For the second time in five months, Pakistani officials have angered the CIA by tipping the news media to the identity of the US station chief in Islamabad, a deliberate effort to complicate the work of the spy agency in the aftermath of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, American officials said.
The leak demonstrated the tilt toward a near-adversarial relationship between the CIA and the Pakistani spy agency, the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate, or ISI, since the bin Laden raid. It appeared to be intended to show the leverage the Pakistanis retain over American interests in the country, both sides said.
In an address before Parliament yesterday, Prime Minister Yousaf Gilani made clear that Pakistani officials at the highest levels accepted little responsibility for the fact that bin Laden was able to hide in their country for years.
Instead, Gilani condemned the United States for a violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty and called the Al Qaeda leader’s presence in Pakistan an intelligence failure of the “whole world.’’
He said it was “disingenuous’’ for anyone to imply that the ISI or the army was “in cahoots’’ with bin Laden, something American officials suspect but for which they acknowledge they have no proof.
The prime minister’s statements, along with the publication of the name of the CIA station chief, signaled the depths of the recriminations and potential for retaliation on both sides as American officials demand greater transparency and cooperation from Pakistan, which has not been forthcoming.
The Pakistani spy agency gave the name of the station chief to The Nation, a conservative daily newspaper with a small circulation that is supportive of the ISI, American and Pakistani officials said. The name that appeared in print was misspelled but close enough to send a clear signal, the officials said.
Similarly, last December, the cover of the station chief at the time was deliberately revealed by the ISI, again by a close approximation of the name, American officials said. As a result, he was forced to leave the country.
The new station chief has no intention of leaving Pakistan, US officials said. The New York Times generally does not identify American intelligence operatives working undercover.
Described as one of the agency’s toughest and most experienced officers, the current station chief supervised aspects of the successful raid against bin Laden, including the CIA safe house used to spy on the compound where bin Laden lived for five years.
The safe house was located close enough to the compound at Abbottabad for CIA agents to gather details of the daily life of the Al Qaeda leader that helped in planning the operation, Obama administration officials said.
The relationship between the new station chief and the head of the ISI, Lieutenant General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, has been described by officials familiar with their meetings as particularly acrimonious.
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...and the U.S. gives this government how many $billions each year???
Merlot
Shouldnt the title of this thread be changed..?!?
"osama bin laden is claimed to be dead"....
Around here without blood, a body, video, or pictures.. You cant be charged with a a murder even if you admit to it..?
A person cant be confirmed dead without either of those as well.. And without physical remains? It will rest as a dissapearance..
speculations aside? The fact is that without some form of proof.. Nobody can confirm his death.
"osama bin laden is claimed to be dead"....
Around here without blood, a body, video, or pictures.. You cant be charged with a a murder even if you admit to it..?
A person cant be confirmed dead without either of those as well.. And without physical remains? It will rest as a dissapearance..
speculations aside? The fact is that without some form of proof.. Nobody can confirm his death.
...and the U.S. gives this government how many $billions each year???
Merlot
Not only that ! you guys spent how many Trillions altogether since WWII for all these Nukes and you haven't used one yet since; to stop dead any project from terrorist to f*ck with USA.
Now, everyone of those motherf*ckers knows you guys would rather wait 10 years and spend Billions to get some kind of justice while sitting on all this firepower.
Somehow I feel the next one might very well be on US soil simply because crazy f*ck lunatics knows that no matter what... you ain't gonna use it anymore ! Unless you have a major Nuke attack !
Since Al-Quaeda is mostly using psychological warfare... I wished you guys should have done the same.
Just the rumor that USA would launch ICBMs against the Talibans would have made everyone holding their breath and mostly a lot of turbanizer sh*t in their long pants for a long time !
I personally would have produce a map with targets on it everywhere you think there is a terrorist cell and show to the world that wherever it is, you would just shoot at will.
I'm quite sure gov. of those areas would have done a lot more to get rid of those rats.
Including over here, up north.
Minus hundred of Billions spent and a world financial crisis !
It's like with North Korea... we hear about 7th fleet flexing its muscle while cuckoo Jong Hill is waiting in his jacuzzi.
But hey ! I'm quite radical sometimes !
Maybe it's from my last trip to Israel...
Maybe you guys are more civilized !
Their own?
It's a 187 million people country where different groups are playing different cards, and if the billions spent there can get some factions to be less hostile, it may still be worth it.
Ricky,
If the U.S. put pictures out people would just say they were photoshopped and not really him. I know they have DNA from family members, but I haven't heard anything about a match being made.
Not only that ! you guys spent how many Trillions altogether since WWII for all these Nukes and you haven't used one yet since; to stop dead any project from terrorist to f*ck with USA.
Now, everyone of those motherf*ckers knows you guys would rather wait 10 years and spend Billions to get some kind of justice while sitting on all this firepower.
Somehow I feel the next one might very well be on US soil simply because crazy f*ck lunatics knows that no matter what... you ain't gonna use it anymore ! Unless you have a major Nuke attack !
Since Al-Quaeda is mostly using psychological warfare... I wished you guys should have done the same.
Just the rumor that USA would launch ICBMs against the Talibans would have made everyone holding their breath and mostly a lot of turbanizer sh*t in their long pants for a long time !
I personally would have produce a map with targets on it everywhere you think there is a terrorist cell and show to the world that wherever it is, you would just shoot at will.
I'm quite sure gov. of those areas would have done a lot more to get rid of those rats.
Including over here, up north.
Minus hundred of Billions spent and a world financial crisis !
It's like with North Korea... we hear about 7th fleet flexing its muscle while cuckoo Jong Hill is waiting in his jacuzzi.
But hey ! I'm quite radical sometimes !
Maybe it's from my last trip to Israel...
Maybe you guys are more civilized !
JH,
It's all about politics in the U.S. Liberals are now saying that it was illegal to kill Bin Laden or that we shouldn't have gone into Pakistan. This after they attacked a major U.S. city and our nations capitol ... and murdered thousands!
But they started something they can't finish. Just like the Japanese and Germans before them, they will pay the price!
Hmmm,
There was once an asshole like Curtis LeMay willing to slaughter as many millions of civilians as it took to eliminate military targets, but Kennedy got rid of him when he realized the sick fuck really wanted to start World War III.
Your lesson in humanities regarding threatening the lives of millions of innocent collateral human beings is scarey.
This is absolute idiotic BULLSHIT! No political wing in the U.S. denies our right to kill Bin Laden and terrorists have no protection under the Geneva Convention codes. Uniformed soldiers, government officials, and civilians have rights. Terrorists can be shot on sight.
I challenge you to provide any evidence with a link here that a wing of any political party in the U.S. said anything like that, and that it was not just some individual or extreme fringe view.
FOR SPECIAL K:
A government official interviewed on CNN today describing the photo of a dead Osama Bin laden showing how the head shot blew part of his brain right out through his eye socket.
Cheers,
Merlot
Just the rumor that USA would launch ICBMs against the Talibans would have made everyone holding their breath and mostly a lot of turbanizer sh*t in their long pants for a long time !
I personally would have produce a map with targets on it everywhere you think there is a terrorist cell and show to the world that wherever it is, you would just shoot at will.
I'm quite sure gov. of those areas would have done a lot more to get rid of those rats.
Including over here, up north.
Minus hundred of Billions spent and a world financial crisis !
It's like with North Korea... we hear about 7th fleet flexing its muscle while cuckoo Jong Hill is waiting in his jacuzzi.
But hey ! I'm quite radical sometimes !
Maybe it's from my last trip to Israel...
Maybe you guys are more civilized !
There was once an asshole like Curtis LeMay willing to slaughter as many millions of civilians as it took to eliminate military targets, but Kennedy got rid of him when he realized the sick fuck really wanted to start World War III.
Your lesson in humanities regarding threatening the lives of millions of innocent collateral human beings is scarey.
This is absolute idiotic BULLSHIT! No political wing in the U.S. denies our right to kill Bin Laden and terrorists have no protection under the Geneva Convention codes. Uniformed soldiers, government officials, and civilians have rights. Terrorists can be shot on sight.
I challenge you to provide any evidence with a link here that a wing of any political party in the U.S. said anything like that, and that it was not just some individual or extreme fringe view.
FOR SPECIAL K:
A government official interviewed on CNN today describing the photo of a dead Osama Bin laden showing how the head shot blew part of his brain right out through his eye socket.
Cheers,
Merlot
Get your facts Merlot and don't just read storylines !
You forgot a lot about history !
Besides Al-Quaeda is an ideology to kill as many innocent people as possible !
Merlot,
Thank you for the kind words. I wasn't talking about a wing of a political party ... I said liberals. But maybe you define liberals as a political party. I don't know how to create a link so I've cut and pasted some news articles for you:
MIT Professor emeritus and author Noam Chomsky believes the killing of bin Laden, a “planned assassination,” violates multiple international laws.
Judge Andrew Napolitano will make the case on radio tonight that the assassination of Osama bin Laden was an illegal act. And he’s not alone.
Rep. Dan Lungren, Calif., asked whether the bin Laden mission might have been illegal if it was aided by legally questionable interrogation techniques of prisoners at CIA sites around the globe.
So is my statement about liberals questioning the legality still absolute idiotic BULLSHIT?
Cheers,
StefanoUS
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