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and Boyzzzzzz!

The rouge hosers have a Ace in "Broken Back Buckholtz" and next year the $20 mil per year Ace (lol) that they bought and put the tag of ace on will be rick porcello.

I do however predict that Cole Hamels will be a rouge hoser this season if he stays healthy and if the rouge hosers have to give up All World Blake Swihart for him it will be a bad trade for the hose.

The most important stat in baseball(IMHO), I'm sure that Pedro and a few other experts would agree with me on this one.:nod:

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.j...e=pitching&page=1&ts=1429132480467&timeframe=
 

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The most important stat in baseball(IMHO), I'm sure that Pedro and a few other experts would agree with me on this one.:nod:
Actually, Jozo, ERA is less important than ERA+ or FIP. But the two most important stats are Runs Scored and Runs Allowed.

Guess which team has the worst run differential in the division?
 

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Are you citing that because you support it or because it's a criticism of the Baseball Reference Guide. Whoever originally wrote that sounds like one of our favorite Yankees boys getting carried away with a hot streak and falling into Flavor of the Month thinking. I've personally met Hall of Famers during the autograph touring days like Williams, Mantle, Banks, F. Robinson, Killebrew...for my money Ted Williams was the most balanced and best hitter for average and power of all time, maybe the best for any reason. I especially admire him because he was the epitome of a worker and learner who gave everything to perfecting his craft and still took the responsibility to serve his country in combat with distinction and honor.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/tributes/mlb_obit_ted_williams.jsp?content=holtzman

In every statistical analysis measuring all-around batting ability, hitting with power and for average, Ruth and Williams ranked first and second. Williams' lifetime .344 average is sixth among players with 4,000 at-bats; his .634 slugging average is second to Ruth, and his .483 on-base percentage is the highest ever.

His curiosity was endless. He wanted to know how Nap Lajoie hit, how Rogers Hornsby stood at the plate, how the Babe gripped the bat, how Shoeless Joe Jackson swung his hips and turned his hands. He was a successful example of the Puritan work ethic and at the end of his career wrote "The Science of Hitting," a manual that has been studied by generations of hitters.


Despite missing 5 of the most prime years of his career Ted Williams led the league in 80 separate stats used today. WHEW!!!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willite01.shtml

Salute Teddy,

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Teddy F. Baseball and the "F" stands for fucking. I loved that guy. I think I may of loved what he did off the field more than what he did on the field and I love his relationship with the press (I hat the media). My old man called him the best hitter ever in the game. And to miss baseball for two wars? I watched a documentary on Ted where he was giving a first had account about landing his plane after he took some flak or something and his plane was falling apart.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/05/when-ted-williams-didnt-eject.php
Williams, Ruth, Cabrara...this is good company.

Adam Jones? Now who is not being serious Rumples?

I like baseball reference guide. I like stats. However, I can remember when Ben Zoberist led the AL in WAR. Now does anyone really think he was the best player that year? WAR is just another tool. We know who the best player is. Ask Mariano Rivera. He plays for Detroit and he wears 24 on his back.
 

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All this time I thought the most important stat was SPRING TRAINING ERA, AS IN, THE YANKEES 2ND PLACE IN SPRING TRAINING ERA IN THE AL, but last in the division at the moment!!!! Bwwwaaahhhh!!!!

It's April 15th, K, did you do your taxes?
 

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Adam Jones? Now who is not being serious Rumples?
Who was being serious when he said that Miguel Cabrera is the best player ever to wear the Earth. I said Adam Jones because he happened to be leading the AL in OPS at the start of this morning's play. And of course, unlike Cabrera, who has feet for hands, he can play defense.

However, I can remember when Ben Zoberist led the AL in WAR.
WAR is a good stat, but needs to be taken alongside the other advanced metrics. I have never looked Zobrist's numbers over for that year, but he must have played some sick defense.

We know who the best player is. Ask Mariano Rivera. He plays for Detroit and he wears 24 on his back.
Holy shit, you're kidding me. I've gotta check out ESPN. When did the Tigers get Mike Trout?
 

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This post is specially dedicated to our über-angry friend. Oh his head is gonna explode.

Why the Yankees’ season already could be on the brink

BALTIMORE — So the earliest of early returns are in, Thursday’s off day affording the Yankees a chance to rest up on Florida’s Gulf Coast, and boy, are they not pretty.
The schedule provided the Yankees a chance to measure themselves against the consensus top three contenders for the AL East title. And if you watched, you know the Blue Jays, Red Sox and Orioles, individually and in total, manhandled the Yankees, showcasing the gap between Joe Girardi’s group and their primary foes.

Because of a sixth-inning bullpen meltdown, the Yankees suffered a 7-5 loss to the Orioles Wednesday night at Camden Yards, giving them a 3-6 record out of the gate, sole residency of the AL East cellar — they will take on their remaining divisional opponent, the Rays, Friday at Tropicana Field — and this ignominy: This is the first Yankees team to drop its first three series of the season since the 1991 club, best remembered as the season in which Don Mattingly earned a benching for refusing to cut his hair.

Which is not the sort of company, needless to say, that any 21st-century Yankees team seeks.

“It’s frustrating,” Girardi said. “It’s not the way you want to start. … We need to turn it around. Obviously, we need to start winning series, or it becomes a long year.”

Like most bullpen implosions, the night began with great promise for the Yankees. The rapidly aging Carlos Beltran ripped a third-inning, two-run double; Alex Rodriguez crushed his 656th career homer in the fourth; and Nathan Eovaldi, in his second start for his new employers, struck out seven and walked two as he did a better job integrating his breaking stuff.

Eovaldi needed 101 pitches to get through just five innings, however, and that ultimately sunk the Yankees. They’re supposed to have a deeper bullpen this season, one replete with power arms, designed in accordance with the notion that many a game would pass in which the starting pitcher failed to provide length. Yet three of those shiny new relievers — David Carpenter, Justin Wilson and Chris Martin — teamed to turn a slight, 3-2 Yankees advantage into a gaping, 7-3 Orioles lead.

When Girardi opted to intentionally walk the red-hot Adam Jones to put men on first and second, bringing in the southpaw Wilson to go after lefty-hitting Travis Snider, Baltimore skipper Buck Showalter predictably pinch hit the righty (and lefty-killing) Delmon Young, who grounded a game-tying single to left field. What really killed the Yankees, however, was when Wilson followed by giving up a hard, opposite-field, two-run double to the lefty-hitting Chris Davis, who struck out nine times in this series.

“I just didn’t make the exact pitch I wanted to,” said Wilson, who came over from Pittsburgh in a November 2014 trade.

That the Yankees scored two eighth-inning runs off Baltimore reliever Tommy Hunter and brought the winning run to the plate in the ninth inning, with Chase Headley ending it on a fielder’s choice to second, reiterated a theme we’ve seen so far: These Yankees are not quitters. You can’t fault them for an unwilling spirit.

No, this start says more about the Yankees’ weak flesh. About their surprisingly weak defense — Didi Gregorius should have received an error for misplaying Jones’ third-inning single, but the official scorer gifted Jones a single — and their uneven base running (Gregorius, again). About their uneven lineup in which three of their regulars — Beltran, Stephen Drew and, yes, Gregorius — own batting averages below .200.

Furthermore, the Yankees have received encouraging results from the likes of A-Rod, CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira in this first week and a half, yet this fragile trio now has to prove that it can stay upright and productive through the grind of the season.

“You want to win series, but it’s the beginning,” Beltran said. “What [can I] say? We know we can play better baseball than what we’re playing right now.”

They might know that. Few outside the club are as confident. We kicked things off nine games ago wondering if this could be the Yankees’ worst season in quite a long time, and with 5.6 percent of the season in the books, such skepticism has been affirmed far more than it has been refuted.
 

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Who was being serious when he said that Miguel Cabrera is the best player ever to wear the Earth. I said Adam Jones because he happened to be leading the AL in OPS at the start of this morning's play. And of course, unlike Cabrera, who has feet for hands, he can play defense.


WAR is a good stat, but needs to be taken alongside the other advanced metrics. I have never looked Zobrist's numbers over for that year, but he must have played some sick defense.


Holy shit, you're kidding me. I've gotta check out ESPN. When did the Tigers get Mike Trout?

You jealous fawker LOL, Cabrara is a good defender and not the best. however, he is the best hitter in the game. And you know you love him. Why? Because I know you appreciate greatness.
 

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You jealous fawker LOL, Cabrara is a good defender and not the best. however, he is the best hitter in the game. And you know you love him. Why? Because I know you appreciate greatness.
I certainly appreciate the work Cabrera does with his bat. In his 7 years in Motown, however, he has cost the Tigers 8.4 games with his glove. Good defenders do not cost their teams games with their gloves.
 

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I certainly appreciate the work Cabrera does with his bat. In his 7 years in Motown, however, he has cost the Tigers 8.4 games with his glove. Good defenders do not cost their teams games with their gloves.

He was playing hurt. If it were anyone else he would have been on the bench.
 

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The last two or three he has. I agree, his defense is mortal. Like Ted Williams, Miggy's offense is so great that it overshadows his mortal defensive skills.

BTW - Ask the rest of the American league. Ask the players themselves.

I remember being in Yankee Stadium in 2013 and Miggy coming up to the plate. All the Tigers fans where cheering "MVP, MVP, MVP." And a cry baby Yankees fan behind me was cheering "PEDs, PEDs, PEDs."

He had the most classic duel with Mariano and fouled several balls off his front foot. Finally he put one over the center field wall to put the game into extra innings. I believe he did it again off Mariano that series but I only saw the first two games.

Let's face it. The Tigers have the two best hitters in the game in their lineup with Miguel Cabrera and Victor Martinez. Now once you put the ball in play you have to run and VMart may be the slowest in the league but Miggy moves pretty well when he is not injured.
 

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The last two or three he has. I agree, his defense is mortal. Like Ted Williams, Miggy's offense is so great that it overshadows his mortal defensive skills.
Actually, he has been a sub-par defensive player every year he has been in the major leagues, including those with Miami. Here's his dWAR just with the Tigers.

2008 -1.8
2009 -1.0
2010 -1.4
2011 -1.3
2012 -0.2
2013 -1.5
2014 -1.0

The only year he didn't suck was 2012, odd too, since he was mostly at 3b where it's easier to be a liability than it is at first.

Let's face it. The Tigers have the two best hitters in the game in their lineup with Miguel Cabrera and Victor Martinez.
Victor Martinez the second best hitter in the game. Please. You know better than that.

Last year he was the tenth best, the only time in the last six years he's been in the top 10.
 

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I just looked up Ted Williams Defensive WAR. Pretty pathetic. Too bad you couldn't of had Jackie Bradley Jr.'s grandpa to take his place.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1014040&position=OF
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...9&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

According to fan graphs, Stan Musial sucked in 49.
Neither Ted Williams nor Stan Musial are in the Hall of Fame for anything the did with their gloves. When Miguel Cabrera goes to Cooperstown, it will have nothing to do with his glove.
 

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Neither Ted Williams nor Stan Musial are in the Hall of Fame for anything the did with their gloves. When Miguel Cabrera goes to Cooperstown, it will have nothing to do with his glove.

Same with Jim Rice. And David Ortiz one day. Not sure DH are Cooperstown worthy, but the fact the American League created the DH position shouldn't be held against them.
 

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Oh Snap Rumples, guess who got the first walk off hit of the year leading the Tigers to a 2-1 victory over the White Sox? That's right. Iggy...Jose Iglesias. 2 more hits today. He is hitting .484. And Cespedes hit an HR off Semardzja. Thank you Boston for today's victory.

We have enough HR hitters. Iggy is a good table setter and he runs the bases very well. He is the kind of ballplayer that I am willing to pay to see.
 

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Are you looking to get into a certain little party for free or something? I don't just "set the table" I hit the F'en HOME RUN!

Iggy is a good table setter and he runs the bases very well. He is the kind of ballplayer that I am willing to pay to see.
 

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Oh Snap Rumples, guess who got the first walk off hit of the year leading the Tigers to a 2-1 victory over the White Sox? That's right. Iggy...Jose Iglesias. 2 more hits today. He is hitting .484.
Just to show you the kind of guy I am, I will not rub it in your face when he levels to a .255 batting average and a .620 OPS.

Thank you Boston for today's victory.
And thank you Detroit for the 2013 World Championship

He is the kind of ballplayer that I am willing to pay to see.
And you will pay to see him flash his glove for many years. You should go take a look at his base hits in Boston two years ago. Bloops and bleeders. There's a stat called BABIP, batting average on balls in play. If a batter has a BABIP under .310, he is hitting in bad luck and you can expect his batting average to rise as the sample size grows; conversely a BABIP over .310 suggests a batter is hitting in good luck and that too will even out. Iglesias' BABIP in 2013 was .356. So far this year it's .500.

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/babip/

"Defense, luck, and talent all feed into the final BABIP number which is useful in different ways for batters and pitchers. For batters, BABIP can be used as an indication about the batter’s overall quality of contact if you have a large enough sample of balls in play. Over three seasons, if a batter has a .345 BABIP, it is probably safe to say that batter is above average in this aspect of the game and is probably making better contact on average than most.

However, changes in BABIP are to be met with caution. If a batter has consistently produced a .310 BABIP and all of a sudden starts a season with a .370 BABIP, you can likely identify this as an instance in which the batter has been lucky unless there has been a significant change in their style of play.

For hitters, we use BABIP as a sanity test of sorts that tells us if their overall batting line is sustainable or not. Virtually no hitter is capable of producing a BABIP of .380 or higher on a regular basis and anything in the .230 range is also very atypical for a major league hitter. In other words, BABIP allows us to see if a hitter seems to be getting a boost from poor defense or good luck or getting docked for facing good defenses and having bad luck."


All of the projectors show Iggy with a normal BABIP by season end, with a batting average in the .265 range and an OPS in the .650 range. While these numbers are a bit sub-par, with his defensive abilities he's a very valuable player.
 
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