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Doc Holliday

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I agree, Claude Julien is a very good coach and doesn't deserve to be fired. He would be nothing but a scapegoat for the GM and Cam Neely, who's never liked Julien in the first place.

But i must say that i'd be surprised to see Chara still with the Bruins next season. He's got a huge contract still and had a few years left on it. Plus the bigger fact that he'll be 38 years old next season.
 

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That's good to know, my little buddy. But why do you always sound so bitter? Don't you ever get laid? Cheer up, your Things will beat the scabs tonight. :D

1. Bitter? I guess your doctorate is not in psychology because you're way off on THAT analysis.

2. I knew my team was in trouble when you predicted a victory for them. Just like Joe T., your predictions are money in the bank - as long as your predictions (and Joe's) are bet the "right" way. Congrats to Price, Pleks, Patches and the rest of the Habs on their 2-0 victory. As for the Wings, c'est la vie: it's hard to win when you don't score.

3. Please keep those predictions coming Doc. I appreciate knowing in advance which way to bet - you and Joe are the best $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
 

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I knew my team was in trouble when you predicted a victory for them.

I can't believe how the Wings blew that one last night, but they found a way to do it! :lol:

Here's my next prediction: THE RED WINGS WILL WIN THEIR NEXT 3 GAMES. :D

p.s. The Bruins totally blew it against Calgary last night, allowing the Flames to score two goals in the 3rd period and then winning in OT.
 

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p.s. The Bruins totally blew it against Calgary last night, allowing the Flames to score two goals in the 3rd period and then winning in OT.

The Flames got their rebuild together quite fast, good coach, good goalie and no marquee players.
 

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Jeezus, Doc. Was there really a need for that level of escalation?... I guess I haven't paid attention to the 'court intrigue' on MERB for a while. It's all in fun. Don't take any of my Leafs barb too seriously. For the brief time I've been following this thread, Merlot's been nothing but classy and fun.

That said, the Leafs do suck, as a team and a franchise. ;) Keep on hating the Wings, though, it must suck seeing all the other Original 6 teams having success. :D
 

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For the brief time I've been following this thread, Merlot's been nothing but classy and fun.......that said, the Leafs do suck, as a team and a franchise. ;) Keep on hating the Wings, though, it must suck seeing all the other Original 6 teams having success. :D

Yep, the Leafs suck. No doubt about it & i'm no Einstein. But at this time of the year, they are sucking on purpose in order to improve their drafting position. But they likely will continue to suck since the team president got permission from the board three weeks ago for the sucking to continue for the next couple of years. As for the Things, i don't hate them. I just don't care much about them. Their signing of Stephen Weiss makes them look foolish. There's only one team that i hate and that's the habs. They're a mediocre team with a great goaltender, which inflates their current record. Earlier today, Caps coach Barry Trotz was asked who was the best player in the NHL. Everyone figured he'd say Ovechkin, who's having a great season. However, he surprised everybody when instead he said 'Carey Price' and i have to agree with him.
 

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The Flames got their rebuild together quite fast, good coach, good goalie and no marquee players.

Brian Burke & Bob Hartley deserve a lot of credit for the very good job both have done with the team. Before Burke joined the Flames, they were ranked even worse than the Oilers.

Burkie and Harts have brought back a winning culture to Calgary, Alberta. And on top of that, they're a very fun team to watch! :thumb:
 

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Cool. Back to hockey!

Another good article on tsn.ca contrasting the Red Wings and Leafs.
http://www.tsn.ca/talent/shanahan-should-emulate-wings-in-rebuild-1.208987


Shanahan should emulate Wings in rebuild

By Jonas Siegel

TORONTO – Less than two weeks after and more than 400 kilometres from where Brendan Shanahan and the Detroit Red Wings were celebrating their 1998 Stanley Cup, the organization was quietly securing the next cornerstone of the future – Pavel Datsyuk – this with the third-to-last pick of the sixth round in Buffalo.

Like the New England Patriots in the NFL and the San Antonio Spurs in the NBA, the Red Wings remain the picture of sustainability in the NHL, always just a step (and sometimes two) ahead of the curve. If there's a model for Shanahan to follow in rebuilding the Toronto Maple Leafs it's that of his former team, the most successful and professional organization in hockey – one that prides itself on draft and development.

No team plays the system in that regard quite like the Red Wings – well on their way to a record 24th consecutive appearance in the playoffs. Eighteen of the 24 players currently on Detroit's roster – Johan Franzen is on injured reserve – were drafted and then developed by the organization. Fourteen of those 18 players were picked after the first round; 10 of them in the third round or beyond.

Toronto, by comparison, has just six of its own (drafted) players on a roster that will miss the playoffs for the ninth time in 10 years.

Deconstructing the Leaf roster – which seems to be the path of choice for Shanahan and his front office team – makes sense in theory, but it's not easy to accomplish in reality. For every Chicago, winner of two Cups in the past five seasons, there's an Edmonton, spinning wheels to nothing in recent years despite a truckload of high draft picks.

Detroit hasn't needed those high picks to replenish itself year after year after year. Not only have they found NHL talents in just about every draft – a testament to their scouting – but maybe more important than that is how they've developed those talents, emphasizing the long-term unflinchingly.

The Leafs drafted Luke Schenn with the fifth pick in the 2008 draft – trading up to do so – and had him in the NHL that fall as an 18-year-old. The Wings, by contrast, picked Gustav Nyquist with the 121st pick that year, making him a full-time player only this season.

"You see [Tomas] Tatar, [Gustav] Nyquist, they spend lot of time in the minors, they went in the minors, they paid their dues and they wait and they wait and now boom they're ready to come in," said Stephane Robidas, who contended with Detroit for years in the Western Conference. "It's not always their first rounders [either]."

Detroit believes in over-cooking its prospects. They would rather wait too long than move too quickly. Toronto hasn't shown near that kind of patience amid a revolving door of managers and strategies.

"I think sometimes you have to be patient," said Robidas. "You look at a team like Nashville; that's what they did for a long time. They said the road for Nashville is to Milwaukee [in the AHL]."

It will be imperative for the Leafs to follow suit with William Nylander and other prospects in the pipeline – such as Connor Brown, who is among the top-20 scorers in the AHL this season. Shortsightedness has mostly been the process in Toronto. Short-term thinking with regard to draft and development is partly why the club is in its current state.

It's why quality prospects drafted by the organization – Tuukka Rask, Alex Steen, Anton Stralman, Jiri Tlusty – were gone by the time they were ready to become capable NHL contributors. The Leafs had given up on them too soon for one reason or another.

Few know this rushed approach quite like the Oilers, who have dropped top (and mostly unprepared) picks into the NHL almost immediately after they were drafted. That's not only risked the development of those like Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall and more recently, Leon Draisaitl, but forced the organization into difficult contract confines. They were forced to pay and overpay their young players when the jury was still out on exactly what those players were – think six years and $36 million for Eberle in 2012.

Detroit doesn't have that problem.

Their prospects don't get to the NHL until they're overly ready, by which point they're making next to nothing – essential in the cap era. Nyquist, who had 28 goals last season and 20 more already this season, is currently carrying a measly cap hit of $950,000.

Riley Sheahan, a 23-year-old playing more than 15 minutes per game for the Wings, is himself holding an annual cap hit of $950,000 and will play for just over $1 million next season.

The Red Wings just don't flinch in bringing their prospects along at a steady pace no matter the excitement those prospects may provide in Grand Rapids, their AHL affiliate. They'll wait, wait and then wait some more. Teemu Pulkkinen, a sixth-round pick from the 2010 draft, had 31 goals with the Griffins last year and has another 30 already this season. He scored in his sixth NHL game with the Wings last month and was promptly sent back down the next day.

Others in the system – Mitch Callahan, Landon Ferraro, Xavier Ouellet – are biding their time for another opportunity with tantalizing talents like Anthony Mantha and Dylan Larkin waiting beyond them.

Petr Mrazek, a fifth-round pick in 2010, played so well while Jimmy Howard was hurt that the club opted to keep him up with the big club even with Howard back and healthy these days.

It's this process of sustentation that has allowed Detroit to remain continually competitive. The organization continues to turn over quality players in waves. It's how they pivot from Yzerman to Lidstrom to Datsyuk and Zetterberg to the next wave soon perhaps to be fronted by Nyquist and Tatar among others.

Detroit, with the sport's utmost stability, also knows how it wants to play and drafts and develops players based on such a model. "It's all the same kind of players," said Robidas. "It's skill...if you play for Detroit you have to be able to move your feet and move the puck. That's the way they play."

With one model and belief in how the game should be played the Wings can scoop up players in Grand Rapids when injuries surface in Detroit and still function more than adequately. It's how the club managed to scratch into the playoffs last year despite an unthinkable run of injuries which included Datsyuk and Zetterberg and a whole host of others.

The Leafs have often talked about culture – outgoing MLSE President Tim Leiweke the most recent to do – but have never quite figured out what that culture is. Most often has the focus been on (inflated) elements like leadership, toughness and compete level.

Detroit prefers skill, patience, and of equal importance, stability.

Holland has run the team since 1997. Mike Babcock has coached the team since 2005. And the Illitch family has owned the team since 1982.

The Leafs, meanwhile, have run ragged through different owners, managers, coaches and strategies for how the team should play. Brian Burke, for example, wanted a rough and tough team and spent all seven picks in his first draft as the team's boss on North Americans.

One – Nazem Kadri – has made it to the league.

Toronto is also sitting on their fifth coach in the decade that Babcock has run Detroit's bench, and is likely to hire a sixth this summer.

The Leafs, under Shanahan's watch, need to establish who they are and what they are and build upon it – slowly.

Detroit built itself on skill. They have become the model of how to draft and develop in the cap era. Others, like Chicago and Los Angeles, have followed their lead to multiple Cups. Others like Dallas – helmed by former Wings assistant general manager, Jim Nill – are trying to steer their team in a similar direction.

Shanahan, who could be seen chatting with Holland when Detroit was in town earlier this season, knows as well as anyone how the Wings operate. He won three Cups with the organization while suiting up in more than 700 regular season games. He's seen the Red Wings way up close and should certainly follow suit in his rebuild attempt with the Leafs.

But it will take time and patience, just as Detroit would do it.
 

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joelcairo, are you Jonas Siegel?!? ;) :lol: Looks like you guys were pulling from the very same fact pool in the last few days!
 

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BOYZ!

Tonight's lesson from Toronto: never rely a serial losing team to hold off a rival of your own team. Boston has lost 4 straight, the last one in pitiful fashion, but they are 4-4-2 in the last 10 games. The loafer Leafers are 1-7-2. Yikes. With the Panthers crawling up the Bruins backs in the standings we have to do our own work and not have to hope a bunch of early golfers will help. All you really have to do to beat Toronto is yell...FORE...and they forget it's still hockey season.

Same old song:

Mired in another losing streak, Maple Leafs baffled by snowball effect

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=749500

TORONTO - It's beginning to feel a lot like spring 2014 for the Toronto Maple Leafs, and that's not a good thing.

Back then, the Leafs lost eight straight in regulation and 13 of their final 16 games as a playoff appearance slipped away. Now, they've lost five in a row and again 13 of 16 in regulation as the season seems to be sliding away.

"It's been like this for a couple years now, hasn't it?" star winger Phil Kessel said. "I have no idea. We go through great stretches and then we have these just horrendous stretches. It's pretty frustrating."

Back in 2011-12, with many of these same players in place, the Leafs lost six in a row and 10 of 11 to cost Ron Wilson his job. Since last season's late swoon, coaches have been switched again from Randy Carlyle to Peter Horachek.

It's early in Horachek's tenure as interim coach, but the results haven't been encouraging.

"It's similar, isn't it?" Kessel said. "Same stuff keeps happening. I don't know what to make of it anymore."


Sounds like Kessel is pining for Boston or anywhere else.

:(

Merlot
 

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The Proudest Canadian of All

The Proudest Canadian of All was at the airport, waiting to board his plane.

He wore a sweatshirt with the Canadian flag on the front and the complete lyrics to "O Canada" on the back.

He was listening to Anne Murray on his IPod and he was carrying a paperback copy of "The Best of Pierre Berton."

He boarded and took a window seat. A few minutes later, someone sat down beside him.

The newcomer said, "Hello Sir. My name is Diego. I'm from Argentina. And you?"

The Proudest Canadian puffed out his chest and smugly replied, "I'm from Canada - by far the greatest country in the world."

Diego said, "Canada? Isn't that where the Toronto Maple Leafs are?"

The Proudest Canadian turned beet red, looked down at his feet, and replied, "Did I say Canada? Sorry...I meant Albania!"
 

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Joffrey Lupul

As we all know, this guy is perhaps the most fragile player in the NHL. He has missed many, MANY games over his career - including 27 so far this year, although he's expected to play tonight. He himself just put out this GREAT quote: "I'll be playing unless I slip on some ice or something."
 

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Another Great Quote from Joffrey Lupul

"Our team game... has been pretty good. We are limiting the opposition's chances and we're getting chances ourselves."

Really Joffrey? I guess your "pretty good team game" is the reason you're 4 - 22 - 2 in your last 28 games (10 of a possible 56 points, with SIX TIMES AS MANY LOSSES AS WINS).

Maybe "limiting the opposition's chances" is why you have lost "only" 9 of your last 10 games (1 - 8 -1) and are 26th (soon to be 27th) in a 30 team league.
 

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Joffrey Lupul Again

"You still want to win...none of the players wants to lose."

I guess that includes the "big line" of Kessel (minus 21), JVR (minus 24) and Kessel's roommate (minus 18).

I guess it also includes David "LongTerm Multi Million Dollars" Clarkson (minus 11) and missing-in-action "captain" Dion - who has now been out since January 21 and missed ELEVEN consecutive games after "hurting his hand" (poor baby) while "fighting" his hand-picked NON-FIGHTING opponent Milan Michalic.

"Thank you Mr. Burke." "Thank you Mr. Nonis."
 

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Plus Players on the Leafs

As you would expect, almost all the "players" on this pathetic sad sack squad are MINUS.

The few exceptions:

Winnik plus 14 (so naturally, with typical Leaf "logic" he's rumored to be the next to be traded - following in the footsteps of plus 7 Santorelli, who recently won his personal lottery by leaving Hogtown for the FAR greener pastures of Nashville).

Robidas plus 11 (the Geritol must be working!)

Holzer plus 4

Jokinen plus 2 (he has the HUGE advantage of only being a Leaf for a few days. He's also a candidate for Geritol and he's widely expected to be traded soon)

Holland plus one.

And that's it for plus players on Canada's National Embarrassment.

"Thank you Mr. Burke." "Thank you Mr. Nonis."
 

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The Tank Commander

I can't help wondering if Rob Ford, tired of being castigated by the conservative people of a quiet business town, installed an automatic system to drip crack into TOs water supply before he left. The genius money extractors of Maple Leaf Gardens are hinting that their appointment of Horachek was to ensure that they lose. They actually have their sheep applauding their brilliant attempt to increase their probability from 10% to a 20% to ruin yet another high draft pick hockey player.

In 2008, Burke announced that he was blowing up the team and it would take years to see the results. Skip ahead 7 years: They just had the worst January in franchise history and are proving that that was no fluke so far this month.

Here are a few comments I found on their current coach who has already earned a nickname: The Tank Commander.

He coached Florida into Aaron Ekblad last year.

Only coach who could take the #1 offense and turn it into #30, while still being one of the worst teams defensively.

Looking at the numbers, Peter Horacek has led the Leafs to an astonishing 2-14-2 record. (.167).

The record will go on his resume inevitably as he has already set a Leaf all-time coaching record for worst start by a Leafs coach in franchise history.
 
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