Quebecois cocaine cowgirls

[jalimon]

But guys there is a slim chance that this girl was indeed completely naive about it. Her father is quite known political circle in Quebec so I do think they evaluated all options and do really think she was only a passenger on this. Time will tell if I am wrong.

Cheers,

 

[EagerBeaver]

All things considered I believe she got lucky with that sentence. She has already served one year and she could get out in a little over 3 more, that's not bad.

Roberge on the other hand is rolling the dice with a trial. If as we heard she was a mere unwitting accomplice, duped by Lagace, she could conceivably get a better plea deal. Or she could roll the dice with trial and get a bigger sentence. A lot of people have posted that her father supposedly has a big political dick but that means fucking squat in a jury trial. I can off the top of my head think of two self-entitled politically connected individuals who got handed defense verdicts in civil cases in 15 minutes or less and were in absolute shock because of their senses of self-entitlement. Trial is a huge gamble if the defense is "I did not know shit." There were drugs found in her suitcase and she was caught with them. Conspiracy theories will not fly when the person she was traveling with and posted a zillion pics of on her Facebook pled guilty and may testify against her. I think Roberge's trial attorneys have their work cut out for them. Best chance is to find errors in the investigation, procedural errors that will possibly negate some evidence from coming in. Could be a longshot. A real dice roll is what it looks like to me.

 

[hornylouis]

Best chance is to find errors in the investigation, procedural errors that will possibly negate some evidence from coming in. Could be a longshot. A real dice roll is what it looks like to me.

I laughed my ass off when I saw that in the news. Getting caught with 100kg of cocaine and pleading ignorance? I think taking the plea deal and admitting guilt would've been a safer play since transportation is easier to pin as a victim crime than intent of distribution..

And yes, I'm convinced that's what they're looking at. I mean cross-continent legal issues? Yes the odds are looking good for the defense. We can't even get the federal bodies to cooperate properly between US and Canada. There's going to be gaping holes between Canada and Australia.

 

[Halloween Mike]

7 years is too long in my book but at least its not life or anything...

When i think where i was 7 years ago... damn it seem like a long time. Its easier for me to realize it as well since 7 years ago was just 1 years after i started in the hobby.

I spent one year and 3 month in juvenile detention and it flew by so slow... longest year in my life. Can only imagine real prison...

 

[pokerpro]

Roberge on the other hand is rolling the dice with a trial. If as we heard she was a mere unwitting accomplice, duped by Lagace, she could conceivably get a better plea deal. Or she could roll the dice with trial and get a bigger sentence. A lot of people have posted that her father supposedly has a big political dick but that means fucking squat in a jury trial... ... I think Roberge's trial attorneys have their work cut out for them. Best chance is to find errors in the investigation, procedural errors that will possibly negate some evidence from coming in.

I agree with you, EagerBeaver. First point i want to specify is Roberge's father is not as politically connected as someone said over here. The father knows the deputy Francois Bonnardel, who is a member of the secondary opposition party (CAQ)...

As you said, she could get an even better sentence, if she pleads guilty, since she seems to have a smaller involvment or knowledge, let's say... the worst that could happen is an identical sentence, with possibility of parole in february 2021.

If she decides to go to trial, she could face a longer sentence. Isabelle Lagace will probably be obligated to testify against her. If Lagace refuses to testify against her, they could refuse her parole in 2021 and keep her until 2024 if they want.

If you look at the best outcome, that she goes to trial and is found not guilty. It will cost her family thousands of dollars of legal fees. The trial was supposed to start last august and was postponed to next february. With court cases taking years before being completed, she could be be released around the same time (2021) then Lagace...

I think she should really jump on the offer right now if she can plea guilty.

 

[Halloween Mike]

This isn't like shoplifting a Gucci bag, that may not do harm to anyone.
This stuff destroys lives, families and carries with it many other criminal activities.

Not really... I know plenty of peoples who take coke and still function fine. Honestly if you decide to sniff it, you know the risk of addictions or overdose if you take too much. Alchool most certainly destroy more lives each year (violent behaviors or drunken driving leading to death)

Drug sellers only provide a service that peoples go after. Demonizing this is not really far from demonizing the sex industry.

 

[Julia Sky]

Yeah it's funny that no one bats an eye at the SAQ selling poison to millions of québécois each year. Its the same thing only difference is it's legal.... Sheeps think legal means more okay, smart people think further.

I dont do drugs and rarely drink but still.. People die all the time from being alcoholics. People illegally sell alcohol they make themselves and if one mistake happens the person drinking can go blind. Do you guys think this is okay ? No it's not. But the SAQ arent responsible for people's choice to drink poorly made alcohol.... Or too much alcohol at all. The same way drug dealers are not responsible for people who chose to abuse the drug.

Heck even I am not responsible for guys going broke for their sex addiction. People' s wallet is none of my business.

 

[EagerBeaver]

There is undoubtedly a societal double standard towards liquor on the one hand, and recreational illegal drugs like cocaine and meth and heroin on the other. But even alcohol cannot be imported in more than limited quantities. If I try to enter Canada with a crate of Jack Daniels, my ass is getting busted. I am allowed to bring one bottle of wine for my own use as I please. That's it. And if you have a drunk driving conviction in the USA, your ass is not getting into Canada without a waiver if you get detained. Actually it is the only thing Canadian Customs care about if you get detained at the border for questions- DUI convictions. There is a lot of American college kids 18-20 yo crossing the border to drink in Canada, from UV and Plattsburgh State, and other schools. I have been in Montreal on New Year's Eve and some hotels become frat houses of American students. The only time I ever saw Montreal Police patrolling a hotel lobby was at Le Centre Sheraton on New Year's Eve around 12 years ago. It was likely at the request of the hotel due to the American college student parties going on, in the hotel.

The bottom line is that every country has laws and when you go into the country you have to obey the laws. I have never been denied entry into Canada or any other country and never had any legal problems in those countries because I respected their laws. Lagace, Tamine, and Roberge did not respect the Australian laws. $30 million worth is a freaking shitload of cocaine. Biggest bust in Australian history, and once they were caught their asses were busted and you knew they were going to jail. I actually thought they would get more time and Roberge still might if she decides to roll the dice at trial.

 

[ssj3]

Drug sellers only provide a service that peoples go after. Demonizing this is not really far from demonizing the sex industry.

HM I think you are dead wrong here. Do you see whole cities being ripped apart by the sex industry? Try explaining your mindset to the families living in the Mexican border cities where the drug cartel wars have just devastated the community. Alcohol may have some similar effects but they are not nearly as far reaching and on such a wide scale like the illicit drug trade.

As for the people you know that use cocaine and are "just fine", they may seem ok to you on the outside but you do not know the effects it's having on their body. The sheer amount of negative effects it has on someone's health is just too much to list.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Negan,

Do you really think the Australian prosecutor would be going to trial on the Roberge case if they secured a statement from Lagace that Roberge was innocent? If the prosecutor read your post above he or she would be laughing and saying, “does this guy think we are morons”? It can be presumed that as part of any plea deal Lagace gave the prosecution some statement as to the involvement of not only herself, but Tamine and Roberge. In the USA exculpatory statements and evidence must be disclosed to the defense under the Brady doctrine and cannot be kept under wraps, and I can only assume Australia has something similar. In any event the prosecution canvassed her as part of the plea deal and got a statement and knows what Lagace's trial testimony will be. It is malpractice to get a plea deal without doing this.

 

[Julia Sky]

The availability of alcohol is so commonplace most people don’t realize it’s a real drug. Alcohol has become the socially acceptable way to relax after work. I mean, it’s just a harmless stress-reliever, right?

Wrong. According to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, alcohol causes 88,000 (62,000 men and 26,000 women) deaths every year. The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism tells us alcohol shortened the lifespan of those 88,000 by 30 years. That makes alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the U.S. All other drugs combined cause approximately 30,000 deaths annually.

 

[jalimon]

Julia what you say is correct. Still there is a huge difference. Alcohol will cause harm over a very long period. Much longer then drugs.

And the main problem is who you deal with. I deal with the SAQ fine. With drug dealers hum no...

You know guys these girls will most probably live longer by getting caught, they probably realize that now. You think these girls would have end up surfing the australian waves if they had not been caught? My take is that they would have been given to the shark by these criminals as they knew too much and the take was too big. Remember this people, criminals need "bétail" to run their activities. And once the bétail is not needed it is eliminated.

Cheers,

 

[ssj3]

Julia, how much do you want to bet that those 30,000 deaths don’t include all the deaths caused by the additional crime illicit drugs brings?

 

[cloudsurf]

Two questions
Do alcohol deaths take into account traffic deaths due to DUI ?

Do your figures for drug deaths take into account the recent mortality rate jump for opiates ?

 

[Uhaul]

Now the other two smugglers know what the minimum sentence is.

 

[Julia Sky]

I love talking with you guys. This thread feeds my brain.

My conclusion : I think we all have a valid point here. Bottom line is dont drink too much, dont drink and drive and don't do drugs. Lol

 

[EagerBeaver]

Now the other two smugglers know what the minimum sentence is.

Not necessarily true. You are assuming the evidence against Roberge is equal to the evidence against Lagace. There have been some suggestions that the evidence of Lagace’s culpability is stronger. I assume that they got a statement from Lagace that assists or supports the prosecution against Roberge but that doesn’t mean that the case against Roberge isn’t weaker than the one against Lagace. Roberge, conceivably, could still get a more favorable plea deal especially if she can bury Tamine with her testimony. I had read that he is seeking a trial as well. So we will have to see how it all shakes out. For sure Roberge is facing more time if she goes to trial and loses than if she pleads out. I suspect she might not be able to give the prosecutors anything that they can use against the other two (prosecution may have known this since before Lagace pled after the parties lawyered up) and that there is some case against her. She may not want to spend 5-7 years in jail. Or, she may at some point decide not to roll the dice.

On the other hand we do not know what Lagace gave the prosecution on her. Lagace may have shit on Roberge in order to save her own ass. I have seen that happen before with criminal co-conspirators many times. If so it is Lagace’s word vs. Roberge’s and we are off to the races with cross examination of both at trial. This would be tragic but, from the standpoint of the trial attorneys, a lot of fun. I have tried a few very minor criminal cases and I lost one when an expert witness went down in flames on cross examination. It’s very upsetting to lose a case that way but it happens. I have also seen criminal defendants take the stand when they really shouldn’t have and they went down in flames on cross examination. Mike Tyson once said that all his opponents had a plan until they got punched. Same principle applies in court. Everyone thinks their story sounds good in their own head until they have been “punched” upside the head with good cross examination.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Look ... some peoples took wrong what i written. I was talking spefically of the effect of the substance. Not crime related to its sales and such.

Nothing is perfect obviously, but what i was saying was that the dude who go on and buy himself "une demi de poudre" to have a good time that night will more than likely do it on his own and what could result of the taking of the substance is not different than what could result of other things. That person could go at the store and buy himself 2 crates of 24 beers and drink them one after the other until he get alchool poisening too.

I don't do drugs personally. But i have in my mindset that everybody should be be free to do what they want with there body as long as they are not a danger to others. And we can't go and start to list a snowball effect of "he needed drugs so he robbed a store and the robbery lead to a killing etc etc" It could be just as well anything else. I heard of peoples robbing store for cigarettes... lol

 

[Halloween Mike]

You obviously miss my point. They bring drug sure, other sell it sure, but in the end YOU decide if you put this shit in your body or not. Cause harm to thousands? Only if they choose to sniff it ...

An indidividual should be allow to make the decisions himself. Just like i am able to make the decision to not drink and drive, and if i do then i do something illegal and put others at risk. If i drink in my own home, i only can harm myself doing so.

Same here... the consumer will make a choice to consume it...

 

[cloudsurf]

Not always that simple HM.
A Dr. prescribes opiates for a severe pain you have. After a week or so you get addicted to the pain killers even after the pain is gone.
You have now developed a drug addiction and you are buying drugs mixed with who knows what on the street. Then one day you OD on some bad shit.
Whose at fault?