I think you are right. The OP was vague. I posted my own experience but I was specific and it was in response to Toto beefcake on why these threads keep on popping up. But in all the years I been on this board, I never started a complaining thread like this.
Racism in Montreal
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I wonder why we can t call anglos stupid cunt haters as racist as well. Guess i will live another day to find out.
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I keep hearing about how racist Quebecers are but I have experienced less racism here in Quebec than in NYC, London, or LA (the only 3 cities I lived in for more than 6 months).
I'd say the most racist place I ever stayed in was Madrid or London... they are pretty close.
I'd say the most racist place I ever stayed in was Madrid or London... they are pretty close.
It’s Canada here not Switzerland, we’re not European origins or whatever we are Canadians sounds like you just saw a bunch of tourists going at each others.
Stupid and disrespectful people are everywhere, all the time, maybe your expectations about highly educated folks from metropolitan area are wrong after all.
Stupid and disrespectful people are everywhere, all the time, maybe your expectations about highly educated folks from metropolitan area are wrong after all.
In all honesty I think Europeans, Americans, Canadians are probably the least racist of all and more tolerant than most.
Many times the people calling racism turn out to be more racist than the ones they are accusing.
You really think racism doesn’t exist anywhere else and it is only people of European origin who are racist.
Wonder how you would be treated as a white European, if you went to live in Iran, Nigeria, Japan, China, India, Pakistan etc….
I am really getting tired of this constant BS.
Like Toto beefcake said I have been called every name in the book first because I didn’t speak English in one country and then by some here because I didn’t speak French, you learn to ignore it, but the huge majority of people treat you the same as everybody else and base their opinions on how you behave not how you look or what language you speak.
Many times the people calling racism turn out to be more racist than the ones they are accusing.
You really think racism doesn’t exist anywhere else and it is only people of European origin who are racist.
Wonder how you would be treated as a white European, if you went to live in Iran, Nigeria, Japan, China, India, Pakistan etc….
I am really getting tired of this constant BS.
Like Toto beefcake said I have been called every name in the book first because I didn’t speak English in one country and then by some here because I didn’t speak French, you learn to ignore it, but the huge majority of people treat you the same as everybody else and base their opinions on how you behave not how you look or what language you speak.
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And id say morals and values play a big role in that as well
Never heard a french descriptors says "he shoot he score". Pierre Houde always says "le tir et le buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut" and even tough i don't really watch TVA Sports much, i often heard "il lance et compte"Always finding it amusing when watching a Habs game on TV, French, French, French, French, He shoots, he scores
Anyway to get back into subject. I think it resort to a few things. The first is Trudeau's flood of immigration. He exagerated and this really trigger a lot of peoples. I think especially as French Quebecer we already feel like we in constant battle to keep our identity in an English country, so when you add other cultures in the mix (who will often assimilate more into english if they want to assimilate at all), it does not help.
Then you have certain peoples behaviors like the peoples who took dumps in Ontario's beach, they give a bad rep to many more peoples sadly, even if its underserved. And of course i can't pass upon the current conflict in the middle east coupled with the rise of terrorisms/terror organizations since 9/11. When i see the "pro-palestine" protest in the streets (as they called them on the news, but lets be honest, its more a rally call for antisemitism and hate) it really makes my blood boil. We are in a troubled time.
I also feel certain communities are extremely more demanding than others. I am not the biggest fan of the chinese communist party or how things are run in that country, but i feel chinese who comes to Montreal to have a better life often seem extremely friendly and nice in general. I often had some try to speak to me in french even tough it was very basic and i was the one saying "its ok we can switch to english". At least they made the effort.
But other communities have more of a "conquering" nature in general, and a lot don't wanna escape their countries for a better life but rather to create a better version (in their opinion) of that said country.
Its a very triggering subject in general and im sure sooner or later this thread will be close, hopefully all i said came out "fine enough".
Ultimately i always said i judge peoples on their actions, not on skin color. And i think skin color is the dumbest ways to judge peoples. It mean nothing. I condemn as much anyone who participate in these Gaza protest whatever their skin color, as its their actions i consider absolutely terrible.
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Trudope created a phenomena called Balkanization due to mass immigration. But that was one of his first pledges when he first got elected was to turn Canada into a Post-National State.
While your aims to call out racism, your own language contains judgmental and biased elements. Your arguments are weakened by the very tendencies you criticize, as you rely on stereotypes and generalizations. This highlights the importance of self-awareness when discussing sensitive topics like racism to ensure comments or critiques doesn’t replicate the issues it seeks to address.
Suggestions for improvement: You should avoid making generalized statements about specific regions, socioeconomic groups, or cities. This would align your critique of stereotyping with your own writing style. In other word.
Focus on exemples: Providing specific, in context examples of the behavior you criticize in Montreal. This can make your argument more credible and relatable.
Be sensible: Avoiding phrases that might seem to conflate racism with particular nations or economic classes would help refine your argument.
I get reverse racism a lot, especially in Quebec regions when they hear me speak English 100% like a dude from Ontario, until I talk back to them in French with no accent.
The other group, in IT and multiple companies, are the people that originate from India, unless they are from the lower castes that had the lucky chance for a better education here in Canada thanks to their parents.
The problem for us Canadian born, we cannot distinguish from which caste an Indian person is from by looking at them, only by interacting with them. I've had quite a few fights with them in the past, with certain situations needing to be resolved by the CIO and both of us getting fired, then, that CIO got fired, an Indian dude took his place and hired back his friend.
This was at a F500 company with a head office in Toronto & Montreal. That new CIO closed down all IT in Montreal, and opened a satellite office in India. My friends still working there miss me sorely. A simple problem takes weeks to get fixed, that I would do in minutes.
Black people (Africa or islands) or South Americans, no matter their origins, Zero Problems !!! I think eye contact and not being agressive helps, sometimes you see the other person brace themselves, and nope, I treat them with respect, eye contact, curteous. Especially if I'm the customer, I'll go out of my way to make it pleasant for them. Seems that for my age group, this is rare.
Especially when travelling, we are often thought to be Uppity Americans, not down-to-earth pleasant Canadians.
The other group, in IT and multiple companies, are the people that originate from India, unless they are from the lower castes that had the lucky chance for a better education here in Canada thanks to their parents.
The problem for us Canadian born, we cannot distinguish from which caste an Indian person is from by looking at them, only by interacting with them. I've had quite a few fights with them in the past, with certain situations needing to be resolved by the CIO and both of us getting fired, then, that CIO got fired, an Indian dude took his place and hired back his friend.
This was at a F500 company with a head office in Toronto & Montreal. That new CIO closed down all IT in Montreal, and opened a satellite office in India. My friends still working there miss me sorely. A simple problem takes weeks to get fixed, that I would do in minutes.
Black people (Africa or islands) or South Americans, no matter their origins, Zero Problems !!! I think eye contact and not being agressive helps, sometimes you see the other person brace themselves, and nope, I treat them with respect, eye contact, curteous. Especially if I'm the customer, I'll go out of my way to make it pleasant for them. Seems that for my age group, this is rare.
Especially when travelling, we are often thought to be Uppity Americans, not down-to-earth pleasant Canadians.
The threads on race are consistently the worst threads on MERB. They're dispiriting and unilluminating. Everyone is angry and reactionary, pointing fingers and casting blame (which is always ... elsewhere). There is rarely any self-reflection or even much self-awareness.
Instead of comparing racisms or lecturing others on their failures, why don't we agree that racism of any sort is wrong and that we can all (however we identify) aspire to show respect and compassion for everyone.
Instead of comparing racisms or lecturing others on their failures, why don't we agree that racism of any sort is wrong and that we can all (however we identify) aspire to show respect and compassion for everyone.
Because most people today are only concearned with themselves. That's why! Lol!
Hey I brought in some sociology and psychology
Ha! I genuinely wasn't thinking of any individual post, and I agree with some of comments in this thread--but overall these threads don't go anywhere and may end up doing more harm than good. I'm sure I'm not alone in rolling my eyes when I see the word "race" in a thread's title. Let's all get back to complaining about SPs' rates!Hey I brought in some sociology and psychology
i try as much as i can to use the word "ethnicity" instead of "race", technically we are all "homo sapiens sapiens".
That would be species not race, although I see where you're coming from. But in my opinion trying to imply there are zero differences between humans is disingenuous and it's erasure of so many cultures. I'd rather embrace the diverrsity of human experience than act like it doesn't exist if that makes sense.
Depending on where you come from the meaning is different you're correct, we tend to use more the term "ethnicity" while in north america, "race" has a slightly different meaning.
Anyway, my point, and we may agree on this, is that your behavior/personality depends on a lot of factors and are not determined by a pigmentation or a place of birth
Anyway, my point, and we may agree on this, is that your behavior/personality depends on a lot of factors and are not determined by a pigmentation or a place of birth
I think a good part of people's personality, behavior and experiences is informed by their culture, surroundings and upbringing. All of which are heavily influenced by ethnicity. We can agree to disagree though
(and of course this isn't always the case)(Also my point was mostly that homo sapiens is a species not an ethnicity haha and I don't love the idea of reducing humans to our species when discussing the diversity of human beings and our experiences)
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