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When you come back after being away for a while this place seem weirder than before :)
Yes. Come to think of it, I've been looking at very old posts when I had a bit of time to spare. The atmosphere really changed over the years.
 

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Today is a beautiful and sunny day.

When you look out the window, you are able to see a butt naked person sitting by his window facing your desk
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Today is a beautiful and sunny day.

When you look out the window, you are able to see a butt naked person sitting by his window facing your desk
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Good for them, they won't have tan lines
 

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Yes. Come to think of it, I've been looking at very old posts when I had a bit of time to spare. The atmosphere really changed over the years.
I have noticed the same thing. I would guess that the average age has gone down, and clearly, the average level of neuroticism has gone up (sign of the times).

I also have a hypothesis that the average age of clients (overall, not just here) has also gone down over time, which would be a reflection of the difficulties that young men are facing on the dating scene.
 

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I have noticed the same thing. I would guess that the average age has gone down, and clearly, the average level of neuroticism has gone up (sign of the times).

I also have a hypothesis that the average age of clients (overall, not just here) has also gone down over time, which would be a reflection of the difficulties that young men are facing on the dating scene.
I mostly notice users who come across as being over 40 and often over 50. The younger clients who find me through review boards are usually not very active on them.

But I don't read all the threads and all the posts. I also wonder if maybe you're assuming some people are younger than they actually are, based on the way they write etc
 

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I mostly notice users who come across as being over 40 and often over 50. The younger clients who find me through review boards are usually not very active on them.

But I don't read all the threads and all the posts. I also wonder if maybe you're assuming some people are younger than they actually are, based on the way they write etc
I suspect that before the internet, it was extremely rare for escorts to have clients aged 18-30 years old. I also suspect that the share of clients that age has increased over time,
 
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I suspect that before the internet, it was extremely rare for escorts to have clients aged 18-30 years old. I also suspect that the share of clients that age has increased over time,
I don't think that's necessarily true, but we would have to ask escorts who worked before 1995 to understand that reality.

Honestly when I worked at massage parlours, it was pretty common for me to see very young clients, they would just walk in and often take 15 or 30 minute options. It's another client base and they don't use the internet to find sex workers.

I definitely think that because there's been a lot of sex workers rights advocacy in the past 10 years, there is a bit less stigma attached to seeing sex workers, so I think there's more men who normally wouldn't have hired escorts who do, and they kinda break out of the "typical client" mold.

I think this also depends on your definition of "younger" because I think in the past a 30 year old would have been considered un monsieur lol but now that's perceived as very young. Most 30 year olds were married and even had kids back in the day tho.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that 25-30 year olds seeing escorts wasn't that uncommon because that's the age when a lot of men had their first career.
 

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I suspect that before the internet, it was extremely rare for escorts to have clients aged 18-30 years old. I also suspect that the share of clients that age has increased over time,
If we're taking MERB threads as anecdotal evidence I think (if I remember correctly) almost everyone in that "when did you start as a hobbyist and what were your experiences" thread (title might not be exactly right) said they started in their 20's
 

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I suspect that before the internet, it was extremely rare for escorts to have clients aged 18-30 years old. I also suspect that the share of clients that age has increased over time,
It seems that I was wrong in assuming that it was rare for sex workers to have young clients prior to the internet age. I looked at my stack of references on client research for an answer. Martin Monto (U Portland) is a leading authority on the topic in the US. In his seminal study of clients arrested for attempting to buy sex at street level (in sting operations conducted by police in three major US cities in 1995-1999), 25% of the arrested offenders who responded to his anonymous survey were aged 18-29 and, and 75% of the total said their first experience of buying sex was when they were 18-29 (sample size: 1,169). This data contradicts my earlier hypothesis.

Source: https://doi.org/10.1177/0306624X13480487
 
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Random thought : I decided I should probably update my website since I have "a few photos I haven't yet posted".

Well... Turns out I have over 100 photos and maybe 3 videos to blur and post to my website. So much for "a few photos" LOL

I enjoy photoshoots so much but then I don't even post my pics for like forever lol... oops
 

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It seems that I was wrong in assuming that it was rare for sex workers to have young clients prior to the internet age. I looked at my stack of references on client research for an answer. Martin Monto (U Portland) is a leading authority on the topic in the US. In his seminal study of clients arrested for attempting to buy sex at street level (in sting operations conducted by police in three major US cities in 1995-1999), 25% of the arrested offenders who responded to his anonymous survey were aged 18-29 and, and 75% of the total said their first experience of buying sex was when they were 18-29 (sample size: 1,169). This data contradicts my earlier hypothesis.

Source: https://doi.org/10.1177/0306624X13480487
That's what I figured honestly. A lot of people here started seeing escorts in their 20s and 30s and are still doing it now, or checking this forum nearly every day, 30-40 years later.

But I also don't know if the clients who see street workers are the same dudes who see escorts who work for agencies or work independently.
 
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I guess I am the exception then, I started hobbying at 46-47 y.o.! I was hanging in strip clubs in my youth but never had to pay a girl to following me home so that doesnt count.
 
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That's what I figured honestly. A lot of people here started seeing escorts in their 20s and 30s and are still doing it now, or checking this forum nearly every day, 30-40 years later.

But I also don't know if the clients who see street workers are the same dudes who see escorts who work for agencies or work independently.
Are there really any street workers left to see anymore? I was under the impression that aside from maybe a handful of drug addicts around Moreau that the street scene had entirely disappeared. Is that wrong? I thought that almost everyone aside from a few outliers were seeing indies or agency workers. (not counting MPs)
 

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Are there really any street workers left to see anymore? I was under the impression that aside from maybe a handful of drug addicts around Moreau that the street scene had entirely disappeared. Is that wrong? I thought that almost everyone aside from a few outliers were seeing indies or agency workers. (not counting MPs)

Oh there are definitely still people working in the streets. I personally know a few
 

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But I also don't know if the clients who see street workers are the same dudes who see escorts who work for agencies or work independently.
Nowadays, in Canada, most likely not, but these are numbers from 1995-1999 in Los Angeles, Portland and Las Vegas. I don't know how much of an "indoor" scene there was back in those days. Regardless if the numbers are representative of the whole population of clients or not, it still proves the point that there was a significant amount of young men among the clientele of sex workers, in those years, in those cities.

BTW, I'm sure you realize this, but if we move to Montreal in 1995, if you wanted to book from an agency, you had to look at the classified ads in the newspaper (I believe the free newspaper Voir was popular) and then the booker would try to convince you with their words that the escort you wanted to book would suit your tastes...
 

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BTW, I'm sure you realize this, but if we move to Montreal in 1995, if you wanted to book from an agency, you had to look at the classified ads in the newspaper (I believe the free newspaper Voir was popular) and then the booker would try to convince you with their words that the escort you wanted to book would suit your tastes...
And with all the photos, selfies and information we provide today, some clients still think we don't offer enough!
 

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Nowadays, in Canada, most likely not, but these are numbers from 1995-1999 in Los Angeles, Portland and Las Vegas. I don't know how much of an "indoor" scene there was back in those days. Regardless if the numbers are representative of the whole population of clients or not, it still proves the point that there was a significant amount of young men among the clientele of sex workers, in those years, in those cities.

BTW, I'm sure you realize this, but if we move to Montreal in 1995, if you wanted to book from an agency, you had to look at the classified ads in the newspaper (I believe the free newspaper Voir was popular) and then the booker would try to convince you with their words that the escort you wanted to book would suit your tastes...
I know the history of my line of work, yes. I think there's always been an indoor scene but street work was way more common before the Internet.

I see what you mean tho, but I think you misunderstood my point. I'm just not sure all of the men who hire sex workers today would have done it under those conditions back in the day.

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I think people assume that younger men hire sex workers because they can't find women to date or hook up with but I don't think that's always true.

A lot of them just have the money to do it, and they want easy access meaning they don't want to go through the trouble of using a dating app or going to a bar or a club. Some of them are just curious and want to try something. Some are going through a breakup and they want intimacy without emotional involvement.

I think it's important to remember that 30-40 years ago a lot of men got married and had kids in their 20s, too. That completely changes things.
 
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