Random thoughts: What’s on your mind lately?

[Fradi]

it's great that you can't fathom why clients would take and exchange photographs and videos without an SPs permission because it probably means you don't engage in these practices yourself. however, it happens, unfortunately.
similarly, it's great that you personally don't care about digging up and exchanging personally identifiable and sensitive information about SPs. but, again, it happens, unfortunately.

to Lena's point about private groups SPs have to discuss clients and whether they exist, they do. there's one that SPs of an agency use where I supposedly have a funny nickname. from what I understand, they're mostly discussing hygiene and matters of safety but they discuss other things too.

Tell me where do these videos and photos come from if not made and submitted by the SP themselves on one form of media platform or another.
Yes I agree that it is not right to spread this without their permission, but you really have to be extremely naive with your head in the sand to think that it will not be and not necessarily by men,

 

[Fradi]

1. not every SP has an onlyfans or similar (nor does every SP engage in the bait and switch), so let's not generalize.
2. even for the SPs that have an onlyfans or similar, they still have property rights over their content that should be protected and enforced (e.g., against the unauthorized resale and distribution of it), and that's irrespective of moral judgements over the content itself (unless we're talking about things that violate OF's T&C, in which case it's irrelevant to this conversation).
3. you're right that it would be naive on the OF producers part to assume that the content will never be shared and that said property rights in this domain can ever be perfectly and absolutely enforced.
4. in a later post you ask where "videos and photos come from if not made and submitted by the SP themselves on one form of media platform or another". some may come from social media or OF while others may be a hidden camera a client has set up in the room, a sneaky camera shot, etc.... sometimes, the photo and video may even be consented to by the SP or sent by them, but in most cases, the distribution of it is not as it's intended for the client's private use only.

Oh please hidden cameras give me a break, it may happen .000001% of the time.
Most photographs videos are made by the SP themselves for advertisement or for sale for money as nudes or to view.

Yes you are perfectly right that their rights should be protected but it is very naive to think it will ever be on todays free for all media platforms.

You don’t want any photographs or videos of yourself floating around don’t make any and don’t put them on the internet, pretty simple.

I love the women I see and think they are gorgeous and amazing but that doesn’t mean keeping my head in the sand and that I dont live in the real world.

 

[Sylar]

I think this is a big part of it. another part of it I think is that some clients think of a session with an SP as some kind of conquest over another person, a feather in their cap or a scalp collected, and they get an ego boost out of certain details (attendance at some prestigious university, coming from a privileged background, career in biotech, etc) that inflate the value/allure of the SP (their prize or trophy) in their mind, so they dig around/stalk for it. other clients, particularly newer ones to the industry, may want to learn more about who it is they just had sex with because maybe it feels unnatural to them to have sex with a total stranger (doesn't make stalking any more okay). and then there are the particularly repugnant stalkers who try to dig up stuff with which to blackmail SPs into receiving free sex.

All excellent points which explains the stalking, but not she sharing. Anyway, I am not sure I want to go down that rabbit hole, as I do not partake in these kind of activities. If I want to know more about an SP, I will simply ask her and keep that information for myself.

 

[AirBo]

The people that text me “I’m going to book you soon” are going to be so surprised when I retire. What is the saying? “You snooze, you lose”

You've been sharing a lot of grudges lately. It's a strange feeling. Please don't retire ever.

 

[AirBo]

 

[Fradi]

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Lucky girl most of these guys are smiling, and happy to see her.

 

[Mandouke]

A lot of clients try to find out real life identity. If we blur our face they will share unblurred photos amongst them. They will try to find us on dating apps, some will even try to message us on Facebook.


Some probably don’t understand it’s creepy and others probably know and don’t care

That sounds an awful lot like a person who can stalk. If they are not content to know you for the transactional nature you are engaged in and are seeking to know more about you and your personal life......it is a fine line that is being inched toward and your personal and private life is at risk. Some people are not well.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

Oh please hidden cameras give me a break, it may happen .000001% of the time.
Most photographs videos are made by the SP themselves for advertisement or for sale for money as nudes or to view.

Yes you are perfectly right that their rights should be protected but it is very naive to think it will ever be on todays free for all media platforms.

You don’t want any photographs or videos of yourself floating around don’t make any and don’t put them on the internet, pretty simple.

I love the women I see and think they are gorgeous and amazing but that doesn’t mean keeping my head in the sand and that I dont live in the real world.

There are so many of you with such explicit photographs and videos on your only fans with stuff in every hole being submitted by yourselves for money.

I have nothing against this it is obviously a money making venture and if you are comfortable with it no problem, but please don’t turn around and complain about photographs being shared

I am super happy for you Fradi that you are living the dream seeing the three or four same providers all the time and that your experience in this industry couldn't be better! But please, coming here to say clients filming us and sharing photos and videos without our consent rarely happens is upsetting. It is not because you are unaware that it's not our reality. It's also not because I choose to share some photos of me on the Internet that clients can film me and share whatever they want about me, this is a ridiculous argument to bring to the discussion.

 

[LC18]

Don’t know why you are bringing up school and photos.
Couldn’t care less about where an SP went to school and she has enough photographs on her web sight so what is there more to see.

Clients don’t/can’t take photographs without an SP permission so I don’t get your point besides there is more than enough photographs available on their web sight, instagram, selfies, pretty much there is an abundance of photographs voluntarily submitted by SP to advertise themselves.or to make $$$$.

lmao you really don’t get it do you?

Because it’s happened, that’s why I’m bringing it up.

Clients can and will set up hidden cameras and take photos/videos of us.

 

[LC18]

You've been sharing a lot of grudges lately. It's a strange feeling. Please don't retire ever.

I’m definitely leaving sooner than later

 

[Fradi]

I am super happy for you Fradi that you are living the dream seeing the three or four same providers all the time and that your experience in this industry couldn't be better! But please, coming here to say clients filming us and sharing photos and videos without our consent rarely happens is upsetting. It is not because you are unaware that it's not our reality. It's also not because I choose to share some photos of me on the Internet that clients can film me and share whatever they want about me, this is a ridiculous argument to bring to the discussion.

Show me where I said that it is ok to film you and distribute it on the internet, or anything personal about you. I believe I said the exact opposite.
Yes it may happen and if you know about it you should report it to the police. I highly doubt that it is in the mind of most clients to behave like that.

I don’t know why some of you ladies always have to paint such a negative opinion of your clients and the people that support you.
You think we appreciate and enjoy this type of behaviour of constantly being painted and made to feel as if all men are some kind of low life.

Apart from that heaven help anyone that may disagree with you then you all gang up on the guy.
Why would anybody want to film you, or take photographs of you. You have enough photos of yourself face out on the internet that you voluntarily submitted yourself.right on your web sight.

Again you don’t want your photograph on the internet don’t take one and submit it on the internet.

 

[bodick7]

I don’t know why some of you ladies always have to paint such a negative opinion of your clients

I think they didn't generalized the picture....
Ceci dit, ils doivent en voir des vertes et des pas mûres...

 

[Fradi]

I think they didn't generalized the picture....
Ceci dit, ils doivent en voir des vertes et des pas mûres...

I am just getting tired of the constant client bashing.
If it is so bad, life is all about choices.
You make your own luck in life.

 

[bodick7]

I am just getting tired of the constant client bashing.
If it is so bad, life is all about choices.
You make your own luck in life.

I think giving her this opportunity to share what's not so good about clients isn't that bad.
If it can make some clients better gents, I think it's ok.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I think this is a big part of it. another part of it I think is that some clients think of a session with an SP as some kind of conquest over another person, a feather in their cap or a scalp collected, and they get an ego boost out of certain details (attendance at some prestigious university, coming from a privileged background, career in biotech, etc) that inflate the value/allure of the SP (their prize or trophy) in their mind, so they dig around/stalk for it. other clients, particularly newer ones to the industry, may want to learn more about who it is they just had sex with because maybe it feels unnatural to them to have sex with a total stranger (doesn't make stalking any more okay). and then there are the particularly repugnant stalkers who try to dig up stuff with which to blackmail SPs into receiving free sex.

This is exactly it. I know for a fact I've had clients share what they believed was "real info" about me and I've received many suspicious friend requests on my personal social media. There's nothing that's going to convince me to offer BBFs or have free sex with clients.

And I don't think it's client bashing to share things that are upsetting about our lives as SP's, not all clients do mean things like this, most of my clients are really respectful and the ones who aren't usually are the ones who don't book or who saw me when I had much lower rates and was clearly not in a good place mentally.

I think if you want to know things about your SP in order to connect with them more, ask them questions about things that aren't compromising.. Like what their interests are, what movies and music they like, what their hobbies are, etc etc. Asking for real name, dates of birth and details about other SP's lives isn's appropriate..

 

[bodick7]

I feel this.. I don't want to be ungrateful or mean, but lately I've had really really long conversations and email exchanges with people who ended up not booking or cancelling.

Sorry for you dear. Hope you are not talking about me...

 

[themonk83]

“If I message her on Facebook she won’t charge me hehehehe”

To add to that

Shame the posts were deleted but there was a case of stalking just last summer by someone who uses this site... It was really sad

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Sorry for you dear. Hope you are not talking about me...

Why would I be talking about you? You didn't say you were planning on booking me

 

[Fradi]

I think giving her this opportunity to share what's not so good about clients isn't that bad.
If it can make some clients better gents, I think it's ok.

I am all for sharing things that can help men be better clients.
This thread however has turned into bashing men and unfortunately and for the life of me I don’t know why none of you are willing to stand up for yourselves as clients and men and just keep bobbing your heads in agreement no matter what they say.

It is not a thing of us against them as the ladies seem to do if you happen to disagree with them it is about being respectful and appreciating what we can do for each other.

They provide the intimacy and warmth that we miss in our lives and in turn we provide the funds that help pay for the finer things in life that they want.
There is no reason why we can’t appreciate each other and not constantly paint a negative picture of the other.

I love seeing the women that I have gotten to know and would never endanger them in anyway or be disrespectful to them.

 

[bodick7]

Asking for real name, dates of birth

I got a favorite who I've seen for let say 7 years before she told me her real name.
I think after several repeats over months, it's ok
I have all my favorites birthday date and they have mine.