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What do you mean "roll over". If will never be legalized (and thank god for that since the regulation would be onerous and the sex would be clinical), but now it is very easy to purchase commercial sex after reading reviews, and if the transaction is performed in specified manner (screening and the payment of a high price in a hobby-friendly location) there are no concerns from the john's perspective regarding difficulties with encountering law enforcement.

Certainly not as good of an environment as Montreal, but those of us who utilize it have an incentive to try to minimize disruptions that are likely to occur at the federal level by thinking through it at voting time.

In the US, patron, I frequently see small news articles of johns being caught. I don't believe it is as safe as you paint it to be. In certain places, you will get caught and others most likely not.
 

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USA will never roll over on prostitution, whoever will run the country. So it's not even a subject when comes the times to choose a President.

Prostitution has been illegal in all but 1 State (and only in some places in Nevada) for about 100 years. Before that prostitution was legal. It always has been a State matter, not Federal. There was a loophole in the prostitution law in Rhodes Island which since has been closed. RI's law was similar to Canada's previous law before the lawsuit and C-36.
 

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Cloud, prostitution in the US is prosecuted by the State governments, more so the local municipalities. The only Federal crime for prostitution is the Mann Act, where a person has to move prostitutes across state lines for the purpose of prostitution. This is a very seldom prosecuted crime. So your statement that Cruz will go after prostitution is not realistic, and is impossible. Cruz believes in following the Constitution unlike the wreck we have in office at the moment. In the US Constitution, government cannot establish a religion. So your fears are unwarranted and your statement is not true.

I do not think you understand what I was trying to post. If you ever compare Canadian politics to American politics you soon realize that religion has a very strong presence in the US. Now Ted Cruz does not believe there should be any seperation between the church and state and that is very very dangerous. This fact you stated does not mean it will stop Cruz from getting involved in busting on prostitution. Cruz does not care about what people think of him he is more concerned with theology and indoctrination and it shows. As much as ultra conservative rightists are about minimal government interference in reality it is the contrary more closer to monarchism. This does not mean it will stop the federal government from getting involved. Having said that there are many other dangerous things rightists should never be allowed in office they are dangerous that belong in the dark ages. They support and promote social stratification and social inequality. They believe in a hierarchy as in classes. Essentially if you are born rich you deserve to be rich not too different then monarchism. They are completely against egalitarianism and mediocrity. Look at Ronald Reagan he went out of his way to protect corporations cut their taxes and promoted them to send off their money to offshore accounts. Trickle down economics never worked and never will. Corporations do not create jobs the middle class do.
 

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I do not think you understand what I was trying to post. If you ever compare Canadian politics to American politics you soon realize that religion has a very strong presence in the US. Now Ted Cruz does not believe there should be any seperation between the church and state and that is very very dangerous. This fact you stated does not mean it will stop Cruz from getting involved in busting on prostitution. Cruz does not care about what people think of him he is more concerned with theology and indoctrination and it shows. As much as ultra conservative rightists are about minimal government interference in reality it is the contrary more closer to monarchism. This does not mean it will stop the federal government from getting involved. Having said that there are many other dangerous things rightists should never be allowed in office they are dangerous that belong in the dark ages. They support and promote social stratification and social inequality. They believe in a hierarchy as in classes. Essentially if you are born rich you deserve to be rich not too different then monarchism. They are completely against egalitarianism and mediocrity. Look at Ronald Reagan he went out of his way to protect corporations cut their taxes and promoted them to send off their money to offshore accounts. Trickle down economics never worked and never will. Corporations do not create jobs the middle class do.

I don't think you understand what I was posting or how the US government is structured.

Ted Cruz does believe there is separation between Church and State because the Constitution says in the First Amendment that the government shall not establish a Religion.

State governments have legislated prostitution laws. The Federal government is only allowed to regulated interstate commerce. Therefore, the FBI never gets involved in investigating prostitution unless it crosses state lines.

Everything you have written about Ted Cruz and Ronald Reagan is 100 percent false. Reagan did nothing you accused him of doing. If anything, it's Barack Obama and the far far leftists who align with the corporations and protect the corporations who favor the Democrat party. Look at GE. GE pays no taxes yet makes millions. GE is friends with Obama. So was Solydnra (which went bankrupt anyhow). And GM (which was taken over by Obama).

Ted Cruz stands for the Constitution. The Constitution calls for freedom of religion, which means freedom from or of any Religion you choose to practice or not practice. Government has no role in establishing a National Religion. That's Cruz's position. Saying anything else is damn lie.

And your last statement: "Middle Class does not create jobs" is ludicrous. No class creates jobs. People, individuals, with ideas create jobs.
 

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I don't think you understand what I was posting or how the US government is structured.

Ted Cruz does believe there is separation between Church and State because the Constitution says in the First Amendment that the government shall not establish a Religion.

State governments have legislated prostitution laws. The Federal government is only allowed to regulated interstate commerce. Therefore, the FBI never gets involved in investigating prostitution unless it crosses state lines.

Everything you have written about Ted Cruz and Ronald Reagan is 100 percent false. Reagan did nothing you accused him of doing. If anything, it's Barack Obama and the far far leftists who align with the corporations and protect the corporations who favor the Democrat party. Look at GE. GE pays no taxes yet makes millions. GE is friends with Obama. So was Solydnra (which went bankrupt anyhow). And GM (which was taken over by Obama).

Ted Cruz stands for the Constitution. The Constitution calls for freedom of religion, which means freedom from or of any Religion you choose to practice or not practice. Government has no role in establishing a National Religion. That's Cruz's position. Saying anything else is damn lie.

And your last statement: "Middle Class does not create jobs" is ludicrous. No class creates jobs. People, individuals, with ideas create jobs.

I clearly understood what you wrote but you completely ignored what I said like most rightists do. The First Amendment is nothing more then a formality that has not stopped Governments from conveniently forming laws based on that. I see no other reason why prostitution would be made illegal except what is written in the bible. Currently about 50% of US citizens support prosecution of prostitutes and clients. That just shows that the US is still a very conservative and religious country. Their views on social issues is very conservative. They can write any law and justify it without making any reference to religion but if we read under the lines we know it comes from that. Furthermore even though the Federal Government does not get involved that does not mean that cannot change. And Ted Cruz does not believe in separation between state and religion. He is an ultra conservative religious zealot. He may not get directly involved but will do so indirectly by encouraging very conservative behavior and social values in state politicians. Ted Cruz is a religious zealot. He did say direct quote to reporters "I'm a Christian First, American Second". This tells all. Here is a link for explain his religious fanatics-> http://www.religionnews.com/2016/01/31/cruz-religion-evangelical-religious-liberty/

As for Ronald Reagan that is 100% true. The evidence is all there. I did a lot of digging last night but it is all there you are just in denial. It is interesting to note how whenever a conservative takes power the economy goes into almost immediate recession. Reagan went into office in 1981 and one year later the US goes into a major recession. Both Canada and the US was in a recession in the 80's and that is a fact. In the early 80's the US had its highest unemployment since The Great Depression. The evidence is all there. BTW this is not coming from me this is based on the info I was able to find.

About your statement about people and ideas create jobs you sound like a capitalist. You are partially right it is the working class people that creates jobs. According to right wing conservatives and something called Trickle down economics which was the hallmark of Reagon essentially he is saying corporations create jobs. Do you even know about the cyclical consumption circle. Here it is->

The roles of people in a monetary system are basically broken into three distinctions:

The Employee

The Consumer

The Employer (or Owner/Producer)

There is also the Investor who gives fiscal support to an Employer/Owner/Producer, or trades in the Financial markets for gain or in other words the shareholders but they are not necessary for the cyclical consumption.

The Employee performs tasks for the Employer in exchange for a "Wage" or monetary payment, while the employer sells a good or service to the Consumer for a "Profit"- another classification of monetary payment. In turn, both the Employer and Employee function as Consumers, for the monetary payments ("wages" and "profits") they obtain are used to purchase goods and services relevant to their survival.

The act of purchasing goods and services, which is the role of the Consumer, is what allows the Employer to make its "Profit", while also enabling the payment of the Employee's "Wage".

In other words, it is the requirement of perpetual 'Consumption' that keeps the Employer in business and maintains the Employee's job. Now if an employee is continually exploited as what has been done in American Corporatism and something conservative politicians promote... As in being paid less and less while having to work more and more... What happens eventually that the majority of wealth is in the hands of the CEOs and shareholders and the employee has so little who is ultimately the consumer... The consumer can no longer consume those products and services. When that happens the cyclical consumption circle collapses and the business goes bankrupt. So the higher the demand of the products and services of the business the greater the demand therefore the greater the amount of jobs. I crudely explained it to you even a kid can understand this. The middle class create jobs not the corporations. So I would suggest you go back to school and learn economics because you clearly do not understand it. You are pedaling the lies that right wing politicians and corporations are trying to brainwash people with.
 

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I clearly understood what you wrote but you completely ignored what I said like most rightists do. The First Amendment is nothing more then a formality that has not stopped Governments from conveniently forming laws based on that. I see no other reason why prostitution would be made illegal except what is written in the bible. Currently about 50% of US citizens support prosecution of prostitutes and clients. That just shows that the US is still a very conservative and religious country. Their views on social issues is very conservative. They can write any law and justify it without making any reference to religion but if we read under the lines we know it comes from that. Furthermore even though the Federal Government does not get involved that does not mean that cannot change. And Ted Cruz does not believe in separation between state and religion. He is an ultra conservative religious zealot. He may not get directly involved but will do so indirectly by encouraging very conservative behavior and social values in state politicians. Ted Cruz is a religious zealot. He did say direct quote to reporters "I'm a Christian First, American Second". This tells all. Here is a link for explain his religious fanatics-> http://www.religionnews.com/2016/01/31/cruz-religion-evangelical-religious-liberty/

As for Ronald Reagan that is 100% true. The evidence is all there. I did a lot of digging last night but it is all there you are just in denial. It is interesting to note how whenever a conservative takes power the economy goes into almost immediate recession. Reagan went into office in 1981 and one year later the US goes into a major recession. Both Canada and the US was in a recession in the 80's and that is a fact. In the early 80's the US had its highest unemployment since The Great Depression. The evidence is all there. BTW this is not coming from me this is based on the info I was able to find.

About your statement about people and ideas create jobs you sound like a capitalist. You are partially right it is the working class people that creates jobs. According to right wing conservatives and something called Trickle down economics which was the hallmark of Reagon essentially he is saying corporations create jobs. Do you even know about the cyclical consumption circle. Here it is->

The roles of people in a monetary system are basically broken into three distinctions:

The Employee

The Consumer

The Employer (or Owner/Producer)

There is also the Investor who gives fiscal support to an Employer/Owner/Producer, or trades in the Financial markets for gain or in other words the shareholders but they are not necessary for the cyclical consumption.

The Employee performs tasks for the Employer in exchange for a "Wage" or monetary payment, while the employer sells a good or service to the Consumer for a "Profit"- another classification of monetary payment. In turn, both the Employer and Employee function as Consumers, for the monetary payments ("wages" and "profits") they obtain are used to purchase goods and services relevant to their survival.

The act of purchasing goods and services, which is the role of the Consumer, is what allows the Employer to make its "Profit", while also enabling the payment of the Employee's "Wage".

In other words, it is the requirement of perpetual 'Consumption' that keeps the Employer in business and maintains the Employee's job. Now if an employee is continually exploited as what has been done in American Corporatism and something conservative politicians promote... As in being paid less and less while having to work more and more... What happens eventually that the majority of wealth is in the hands of the CEOs and shareholders and the employee has so little who is ultimately the consumer... The consumer can no longer consume those products and services. When that happens the cyclical consumption circle collapses and the business goes bankrupt. So the higher the demand of the products and services of the business the greater the demand therefore the greater the amount of jobs. I crudely explained it to you even a kid can understand this. The middle class create jobs not the corporations. So I would suggest you go back to school and learn economics because you clearly do not understand it. You are pedaling the lies that right wing politicians and corporations are trying to brainwash people with.

Cloud, you are so way off base it's not even funny. You have little concept of economics yet you rave at me.

Jobs are created from an inventor's idea or a business idea or need by consumers. Investors risk their money (Capital) to produce the labor and materials for this idea. The employee works as instructed based on their role and skill levels. So how do the employees (Middle Class in your mind) create jobs? There's no logic to your statement, Cloud. In fact the worker is trading a steady income in lieu of potential profit or loss. The only risk the employee takes is his continued labor for that employee. The Employer is creating the jobs and taking the risk in hopes of making more profit than the workers. That's how Capitalism Works, Cloud.

As for Ted Cruz, his religion is not going to interfere with his views on the Constitution or the Constitution. He has been steadfast in his beliefs that the Constitution trumps his religious views every time he has been interviewed. Leftists are the first to scream about someone's religion yet leftists like Obama have disregarded the Constitution (e.g. Executive Orders without supporting legislation). Your statement "And Ted Cruz does not believe in separation between state and religion" is utterly false. You cannot produce one statement from Ted Cruz where he says he does not believe in the First Amendment where Congress can make a law establishing religion. You can only make that statement based on your incorrect "feelings". I know, it's what Leftists do.
 

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Cloud, you are so way off base it's not even funny. You have little concept of economics yet you rave at me.

Jobs are created from an inventor's idea or a business idea or need by consumers. Investors risk their money (Capital) to produce the labor and materials for this idea. The employee works as instructed based on their role and skill levels. So how do the employees (Middle Class in your mind) create jobs? There's no logic to your statement, Cloud. In fact the worker is trading a steady income in lieu of potential profit or loss. The only risk the employee takes is his continued labor for that employee. The Employer is creating the jobs and taking the risk in hopes of making more profit than the workers. That's how Capitalism Works, Cloud.

As for Ted Cruz, his religion is not going to interfere with his views on the Constitution or the Constitution. He has been steadfast in his beliefs that the Constitution trumps his religious views every time he has been interviewed. Leftists are the first to scream about someone's religion yet leftists like Obama have disregarded the Constitution (e.g. Executive Orders without supporting legislation). Your statement "And Ted Cruz does not believe in separation between state and religion" is utterly false. You cannot produce one statement from Ted Cruz where he says he does not believe in the First Amendment where Congress can make a law establishing religion. You can only make that statement based on your incorrect "feelings". I know, it's what Leftists do.

I see you are still in denial? :lol: I would suggest you go back to school and learn economics because you are clueless. As I stated before this is all the info I was able to dig. I am not going to do the work for you and from reading your posts it would be futile. You clearly got a closed mind and refuse the evidence in front you. I very logically explained it to you the basis of economics and you completely ignored it. Some of the stuff you say makes sense but you ignore some critical elements which I filled in but you disregard it. What did Trump say tonight in the debate he said we need the rich to make America great again... That is the belief of rightists not too different from monarchism... I on the other hand disagree with that type of mentality. You clearly are pedaling the lies the corporations and right wing politicians are trying to brainwash people with. I can see you are a firm believer in trickle down economics... History has proven that it does not work. Capitalism does not work and it never has the sooner you realize it better off you will be. You are living in a country that is under Corporatism and your statement to make profit is exactly the problem which is why I explained about cyclical consumption. In Corporatism the corporations control all and regulate everything. Over 70% of wealth is within the 1%. Capitalism will eventually starve everyone. Do you know that Capitalism comes from the word Capitalize? Capitalize means take the chance to gain advantage from so in other words exploit. So Corporations are exploiting employees to get richer and richer while making the rest poorer and poorer. Corporations care about nothing else but making profits... It does not matter who pays the price or who gets hurt so long as they make their profits. Monsato for example has been selling poison to people for a 100 years in the name of profits. So this is what you believe right? BTW if you noticed I am against Capitalism I believe this is the greatest evil mankind has ever seen. Over 30% of people in the US live in poverty. This is why in the list of countries with the best living conditions the US is always way down there and the Nordic countries is way up there. Capitalism is bullshit. I will say it again Ted Cruz is a religious zealot. Accept it or not makes no difference to me. You are not open to a logical debate. What did George Carlin say ahh yesss he said "“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Have a good night :wave:
 

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I see you are still in denial? :lol: I would suggest you go back to school and learn economics because you are clueless. As I stated before this is all the info I was able to dig. I am not going to do the work for you and from reading your posts it would be futile. You clearly got a closed mind and refuse the evidence in front you. I very logically explained it to you the basis of economics and you completely ignored it. Some of the stuff you say makes sense but you ignore some critical elements which I filled in but you disregard it. What did Trump say tonight in the debate he said we need the rich to make America great again... That is the belief of rightists not too different from monarchism... I on the other hand disagree with that type of mentality. You clearly are pedaling the lies the corporations and right wing politicians are trying to brainwash people with. I can see you are a firm believer in trickle down economics... History has proven that it does not work. Capitalism does not work and it never has the sooner you realize it better off you will be. You are living in a country that is under Corporatism and your statement to make profit is exactly the problem which is why I explained about cyclical consumption. In Corporatism the corporations control all and regulate everything. Over 70% of wealth is within the 1%. Capitalism will eventually starve everyone. BTW if you noticed I am against Capitalism I believe this is the greatest evil mankind has ever seen. Over 30% of people in the US live in poverty. This is why in the list of countries with the best living conditions the US is always way down there and the Nordic countries is way up there. Capitalism is bullshit. I will say it again Ted Cruz is a religious zealot. Accept it or not makes no difference to me. You are not open to a logical debate. What did George Carlin say ahh yesss he said "“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Have a good night :wave:

Well, Cloud, I am not going to argue with you. Why would I argue? :noidea: I am only going to be brought down to your level and you'll beat me with experience. Good night Cloud.
 

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I respect all of you... but you argue as if elections and 'Democracy' are real, why? Most of you are older than I am. Have you not learned your lessons yet? It does not matter who wins, they will break all of their 'promises' and almost everyone will 'rabble-rabble-rabble' back to the polls a few years later believing in promises, that of course, will be broken once again. That is the history of 'democracy'.

They're all liars. All of them.
 

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Yes they all lie. They lie or mislead to get the required votes to be elected. It cost a lot of money to be elected and donors and supporters expect favorable laws, rules, descisions for there investment (support or capital). Candidates in both parties are indebted to someone. That is why relative outsiders such as sanders and trump are so appealing they are not so indebted to the machine.

If the democrats and republicans ran the nomination process under the same rules the democratic race would be much closer but since they don't Clinton has a big lead due to super delegates. Super delegates are once again political insiders who will want the status quo. With a 400 plus deficit in super delegates sanders never had much of a chance no matter what the electorate thinks.

The very fact that it costs so much to be elected into office and that the incumbents are therefore indebted to either capital interests or the interests of the poor, whichever, rather than to the Nation itself should be reason enough to despise Democracy in general and Oligarchic Democracy specifically.

The unbridled passion that possesses the masses during an election cycle is unbelievably comical.

There are times when... I honestly believe that most people like, crave and want to be lied to!
 

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I think we should get prepared to welcome President Hillary Clinton!

How about that. The first elected President who lives in Prison. And you thought you've seen everything.
 

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The very fact that it costs so much to be elected into office and that the incumbents are therefore indebted to either capital interests or the interests of the poor, whichever, rather than to the Nation itself should be reason enough to despise Democracy in general and Oligarchic Democracy specifically.

The unbridled passion that possesses the masses during an election cycle is unbelievably comical.

There are times when... I honestly believe that most people like, crave and want to be lied to
!

You really think people like being lied to? Or do you think people today or that stupid they don't know better? I think the latter.
 
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