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CLOUD 500

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Cloud, you are so way off base it's not even funny. You have little concept of economics yet you rave at me.

Jobs are created from an inventor's idea or a business idea or need by consumers. Investors risk their money (Capital) to produce the labor and materials for this idea. The employee works as instructed based on their role and skill levels. So how do the employees (Middle Class in your mind) create jobs? There's no logic to your statement, Cloud. In fact the worker is trading a steady income in lieu of potential profit or loss. The only risk the employee takes is his continued labor for that employee. The Employer is creating the jobs and taking the risk in hopes of making more profit than the workers. That's how Capitalism Works, Cloud.

As for Ted Cruz, his religion is not going to interfere with his views on the Constitution or the Constitution. He has been steadfast in his beliefs that the Constitution trumps his religious views every time he has been interviewed. Leftists are the first to scream about someone's religion yet leftists like Obama have disregarded the Constitution (e.g. Executive Orders without supporting legislation). Your statement "And Ted Cruz does not believe in separation between state and religion" is utterly false. You cannot produce one statement from Ted Cruz where he says he does not believe in the First Amendment where Congress can make a law establishing religion. You can only make that statement based on your incorrect "feelings". I know, it's what Leftists do.

I see you are still in denial? :lol: I would suggest you go back to school and learn economics because you are clueless. As I stated before this is all the info I was able to dig. I am not going to do the work for you and from reading your posts it would be futile. You clearly got a closed mind and refuse the evidence in front you. I very logically explained it to you the basis of economics and you completely ignored it. Some of the stuff you say makes sense but you ignore some critical elements which I filled in but you disregard it. What did Trump say tonight in the debate he said we need the rich to make America great again... That is the belief of rightists not too different from monarchism... I on the other hand disagree with that type of mentality. You clearly are pedaling the lies the corporations and right wing politicians are trying to brainwash people with. I can see you are a firm believer in trickle down economics... History has proven that it does not work. Capitalism does not work and it never has the sooner you realize it better off you will be. You are living in a country that is under Corporatism and your statement to make profit is exactly the problem which is why I explained about cyclical consumption. In Corporatism the corporations control all and regulate everything. Over 70% of wealth is within the 1%. Capitalism will eventually starve everyone. Do you know that Capitalism comes from the word Capitalize? Capitalize means take the chance to gain advantage from so in other words exploit. So Corporations are exploiting employees to get richer and richer while making the rest poorer and poorer. Corporations care about nothing else but making profits... It does not matter who pays the price or who gets hurt so long as they make their profits. Monsato for example has been selling poison to people for a 100 years in the name of profits. So this is what you believe right? BTW if you noticed I am against Capitalism I believe this is the greatest evil mankind has ever seen. Over 30% of people in the US live in poverty. This is why in the list of countries with the best living conditions the US is always way down there and the Nordic countries is way up there. Capitalism is bullshit. I will say it again Ted Cruz is a religious zealot. Accept it or not makes no difference to me. You are not open to a logical debate. What did George Carlin say ahh yesss he said "“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Have a good night :wave:
 

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I see you are still in denial? :lol: I would suggest you go back to school and learn economics because you are clueless. As I stated before this is all the info I was able to dig. I am not going to do the work for you and from reading your posts it would be futile. You clearly got a closed mind and refuse the evidence in front you. I very logically explained it to you the basis of economics and you completely ignored it. Some of the stuff you say makes sense but you ignore some critical elements which I filled in but you disregard it. What did Trump say tonight in the debate he said we need the rich to make America great again... That is the belief of rightists not too different from monarchism... I on the other hand disagree with that type of mentality. You clearly are pedaling the lies the corporations and right wing politicians are trying to brainwash people with. I can see you are a firm believer in trickle down economics... History has proven that it does not work. Capitalism does not work and it never has the sooner you realize it better off you will be. You are living in a country that is under Corporatism and your statement to make profit is exactly the problem which is why I explained about cyclical consumption. In Corporatism the corporations control all and regulate everything. Over 70% of wealth is within the 1%. Capitalism will eventually starve everyone. BTW if you noticed I am against Capitalism I believe this is the greatest evil mankind has ever seen. Over 30% of people in the US live in poverty. This is why in the list of countries with the best living conditions the US is always way down there and the Nordic countries is way up there. Capitalism is bullshit. I will say it again Ted Cruz is a religious zealot. Accept it or not makes no difference to me. You are not open to a logical debate. What did George Carlin say ahh yesss he said "“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Have a good night :wave:

Well, Cloud, I am not going to argue with you. Why would I argue? :noidea: I am only going to be brought down to your level and you'll beat me with experience. Good night Cloud.
 

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I respect all of you... but you argue as if elections and 'Democracy' are real, why? Most of you are older than I am. Have you not learned your lessons yet? It does not matter who wins, they will break all of their 'promises' and almost everyone will 'rabble-rabble-rabble' back to the polls a few years later believing in promises, that of course, will be broken once again. That is the history of 'democracy'.

They're all liars. All of them.
 

blkone

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Yes they all lie. They lie or mislead to get the required votes to be elected. It cost a lot of money to be elected and donors and supporters expect favorable laws, rules, descisions for there investment (support or capital). Candidates in both parties are indebted to someone. That is why relative outsiders such as sanders and trump are so appealing they are not so indebted to the machine.

If the democrats and republicans ran the nomination process under the same rules the democratic race would be much closer but since they don't Clinton has a big lead due to super delegates. Super delegates are once again political insiders who will want the status quo. With a 400 plus deficit in super delegates sanders never had much of a chance no matter what the electorate thinks.

The very fact that it costs so much to be elected into office and that the incumbents are therefore indebted to either capital interests or the interests of the poor, whichever, rather than to the Nation itself should be reason enough to despise Democracy in general and Oligarchic Democracy specifically.

The unbridled passion that possesses the masses during an election cycle is unbelievably comical.

There are times when... I honestly believe that most people like, crave and want to be lied to!
 

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I think we should get prepared to welcome President Hillary Clinton!

How about that. The first elected President who lives in Prison. And you thought you've seen everything.
 

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The very fact that it costs so much to be elected into office and that the incumbents are therefore indebted to either capital interests or the interests of the poor, whichever, rather than to the Nation itself should be reason enough to despise Democracy in general and Oligarchic Democracy specifically.

The unbridled passion that possesses the masses during an election cycle is unbelievably comical.

There are times when... I honestly believe that most people like, crave and want to be lied to
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You really think people like being lied to? Or do you think people today or that stupid they don't know better? I think the latter.
 

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The very fact that it costs so much to be elected into office and that the incumbents are therefore indebted to either capital interests or the interests of the poor, whichever, rather than to the Nation itself should be reason enough to despise Democracy in general and Oligarchic Democracy specifically.

The unbridled passion that possesses the masses during an election cycle is unbelievably comical.

There are times when... I honestly believe that most people like, crave and want to be lied to!

The thing you have to keep in mind is that the corporations are the government. Corporations control all resources and dictate all policy. Have you ever seen a leader reveal himself? There is always a spokesperson or middle man that delivers and implements the orders of the leader. Having said not all warfare requires weapons and violence. Corporations use the media that they control and cleaver marketing that has been designed by psychologists and marketing specialists in order to brainwash people and to coerce them in order to exploit them in the name of profits. Just to prove my case look at how many people are right wing conservatives they support conservatives and will even fight for them. Any evidence you present to them and they will complete deny everything and dispute it as false. It is a lost cause. Am glad I am not living in a conservative capitalistic country that rewards greed and unethical behavior yet if a client decides to avail to sexual services of a SP he has committed the greatest sin and should go to prison for that. Weird society. Lol
 

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How about that. The first elected President who lives in Prison. And you thought you've seen everything.

The Obama administration won't prosecute her, and will give her pardon to avoid future prosecution, so she won't be in jail.
 

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The Obama administration won't prosecute her, and will give her pardon to avoid future prosecution, so she won't be in jail.

Then Obama will be covering up one of the biggest criminal scandals of US History. This won't happen without a fight from Congress and a large percentage of the US public. Just watch what happens if Obama covers up. She is beyond guilty.
 

friz888

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About the Cruz scandal. I hope it is not true, simply because I don't like Trump to win this early, and I don't want him to win at all.
But Amanda Carpenter does look sketchy, she claimed the condoms in her pic are Photoshopped by someone else, however, she posted exactly the same pic on her Instagram...
Apparently she lied about the pic, her explanation does not make sense. Today she went on CNN to say she is totally clean with Cruz, I guess she might have cheated, but not necessarily with him.

I know Cruz is not an honest man, but I never thought he would have sexual scandal... who knows... maybe he turns out to be the biggest liar in this race.
 

K Douglas

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Kinda like choosing between ALS and pancreatic cancer. Either way you're up shit's creek.
 

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I see daydreamer41 is still blathering about Clinton alleged illegal conduct. A month ago he said Clinton would be charged soon. This is an example of what happens to the mind when someone consumes excessive amounts of Faux News Kool Aid. Americans have been watching this right wing circus for years and now it's imploding on itself, yet true believers like daydreamer41 keep up the fight in the hope that enough smears and mudslinging can help them win another election.
 

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Then Obama will be covering up one of the biggest criminal scandals of US History. This won't happen without a fight from Congress and a large percentage of the US public. Just watch what happens if Obama covers up. She is beyond guilty.

One of the biggest criminal scandals in US history? :lol:
 
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