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I'm looking forward to the day he will suspend his campaign and say it was all a practical joke on the republicans.
 

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Are you sure you really know Cruz? He is the religious right-winger and would look quite bad to thinking, moderate folks if Trump did not horrify them so much that they notice nothing but Trump.

Trump has turned the Republican Nomination race into a circus. Cruz is an anti-establishment candidate. I don't know what you mean by religious right winger?
 

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Compare Cruz's bio to Kasich's and see which one has promised more to religious right wingers. Cruz announced his candidacy at Liberty University, and openly identifies himself as a religious fundamentalist.

So? Cruz's father is a Minister. And there is a large religious base in the Republican party. Is Cruz identifying with fundamentalist Christians a bad thing? Cruz is the strongest supporter of the Constitutional and the Constitution gives US citizens, Freedom of religion.
 

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Look behind you.
Do not usually follow the US elections but trump caught my attention, a rednecks president, the silent majority.

https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsChannel

This is actually quite interesting.

If Trump wins and Kevin O'Leary gets into politics we may have non lawyers and business men running our countries, it would be a good thing. IMO
 

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So? Cruz's father is a Minister. And there is a large religious base in the Republican party. Is Cruz identifying with fundamentalist Christians a bad thing? Cruz is the strongest supporter of the Constitutional and the Constitution gives US citizens, Freedom of religion.

Agreed, there is nothing wrong of being a conservative. I can't say I really like Cruz, he has been caught for lying few times, especially the dirty trick he played to Carson.
But now he looks like the only shot to stop Trump. And non of these candidates are 100% honest.
As for democracts, Clinton is a corrupt liar, the other one is an old socialist bastard.
Just my two cents
Btw Cruz could be the first Canadian US president.
 

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Agreed, there is nothing wrong of being a conservative. I can't say I really like Cruz, he has been caught for lying few times, especially the dirty trick he played to Carson.
But now he looks like the only shot to stop Trump. And non of these candidates are 100% honest.
As for democracts, Clinton is a corrupt liar, the other one is an old socialist bastard.
Just my two cents
Btw Cruz could be the first Canadian US president.

I don't buy the birthright citizenship argument. Natural born means one of your parents were citizens at the time of your birth. There are 2 ways to become a US citizen. 1) Through the Naturalization process - you are not a citizen and you do all of the immigration requirements to become a citizen or 2) One or both of your parents were citizens at the time of your birth so you become a citizen. The 3rd option was only made possible through a Supreme Court ruling (United States v. Wong Kim Ark - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark) where the baby was the son of a legal alien and born in the US. There is serious questions about offspring of illegal aliens (anchor babies).

In US vs. Wong Kim Ark, the Supreme used the 14th amendment in its opinion. But it is clear that the 14th Amendment was established for the slaves to become US citizens.

Getting back to Cruz, there are many persons born outside of the US who become citizens because one or both of their parents are US citizens. They do not have to go through a Naturalization process. Cruz didn't. Neither do others, so Trump is ignorant in this matter.
 

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Yes, to me that is a very bad thing and would keep me from voting for him.

When I was a kid, I used to ride my bike to a food mart, and at the beginning of the month I would go to the magazine rack and put Hustler, High Society, and Penthouse magazine within one of those huge Life Magazines and look at the pictures. There was a gas station that has Playboy magazine in its horrifically dirty bathroom, but I liked the more graphic magazines that showed the "squiggly thing in the middle." Funny that in adult life, the actual clits I see and finger and lick up close never look quite like the ones from those treasured childhood memories.

Anyway, one day all those magazines had plastic wrappers on them and could not be viewed without removing those wrappers. At least they were still available at that food mart for those old enough to legally purchase them. Many other stores entirely stopped carrying pornography and some even started putting a sticker on the front door with an crossed-out symbol stating the Pornography is Not Sold Here.

A religious conservative named Edwin Meese had used his powers as Attorney General to bully small retailers into participating in Moralism. I am not sure what the threat was. Perhaps a fine for allowing minors to view pornography (even though those deceptive minors were hiding that pornography in larger magazines)?

But after that I never forgot that elections matter (your Public Service Announcement for the day) and I never trusted religious conservatives after that. And I never forget that the wrong people at the top of the federal government could find a way to eliminate the escort review boards and advertising sites in the U.S., as well as the pornographic websites I access over the Internet. They may never accomplish that, but it is one of their goals, and stopping them starts with not voting for them in the first place.

Looks like now its either Cruz or Trump, republican voters are sick of establishments.
 

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The right wingers phony narrative "Hillary is corrupt/criminal" is unlikely to sway most Americans. She still has the highest favorable ratings over the Republican candidates. Smear campaigns only go so far against a person as accomplished and respected as Clinton.
 

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The right wingers phony narrative "Hillary is corrupt/criminal" is unlikely to sway most Americans. She still has the highest favorable ratings over the Republican candidates. Smear campaigns only go so far against a person as accomplished and respected as Clinton.

Phony? The FBI doesn't investigate phony things nor do they give immunity to someone when their target is not in serious crap. She broke felonies. But this is the leftist mindset. Criminal law does not pertain to the leftists, but it does for all others.
 

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Phony? The FBI doesn't investigate phony things nor do they give immunity to someone when their target is not in serious crap. She broke felonies. But this is the leftist mindset. Criminal law does not pertain to the leftists, but it does for all others.

The FBI, another cruel joke played upon the peoples of the United States. They should be called the 'Federal Bunglers of Investigation', for, that is all they do. :lol:

But what else can one expect from a 'Democractic' system? Justice?

Again, Democracy itself is the cancer and has always been the damn cancer.
 

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She has no draw, whatsoever, on the biggest demographic- the independents. I do not believe that she has it in her to draw the independents and republican voters like Obama or Bill did. Even many democrats don't like her. Whereas Sanders is a darling for independents and even has a decent draw on republicans who might not vote red following their circus . The only reason one could possibly vote for her is cuz of a blue vote arising from anti-republican sentiment ( more specifically anti-trump sentiment) if she ends up getting the nomination.

You have to wonder why every other article on CNN, MSN is about Drumpf (the fear mongering is real) and much of her campaign (speeches) seems to target republicans and rarely takes on sanders. Compare that with the vitriolic campaign she ran against Obama during democratic nomination in 2008. If anything, much of her words are directly derived from what bernie has been saying for the past year and half.
 

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Phony? The FBI doesn't investigate phony things nor do they give immunity to someone when their target is not in serious crap. She broke felonies. But this is the leftist mindset. Criminal law does not pertain to the leftists, but it does for all others.

Clinton hasn't been charged, let alone convicted, of anything. Just because something is repeated a thousand times on Faux News, Breitbart, Newsmax and other right wing kool-aid outlets, doesn't make it true. But this is the right wing mindset, often unable to distinguish between conspiracy, speculation and reality. Right wing politicians and strategists know this very well.
 

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Clinton hasn't been charged, let alone convicted, of anything. Just because something is repeated a thousand times on Faux News, Breitbart, Newsmax and other right wing kool-aid outlets, doesn't make it true. But this is the right wing mindset, often unable to distinguish between conspiracy, speculation and reality. Right wing politicians and strategists know this very well.

Gee you sound like someone we all know.

Anyhow, she should be charged soon. Just be patient. I know it's hard for you.
 

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Anyhow, she should be charged soon. Just be patient. I know it's hard for you.

Au contraire, Democrats are feeling pretty good these days, comfortable with both our candidates and the generally respectful tone of our debates.

No need to describe the chaotic mess on the other side. The daily developments don't let up either. Today Rubio is saying he embarrassed his kids with his personal attacks on Trump. Ouch.
 

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Cannot really understand why Trump is leading the GOP poll.
Just watched CNN debate tonight, Trump looked so bad, his answers showed that he barely knows anything about any substantive issues, all he said was "I am gonna make a great deal", and he was in total denial when the anchor asked him about his compliment to CCP's crackdown against democratic demonstration in 1989. On the other side, Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich did fine.

What surprised me most is how the mainstream media cover the debate, even FOX said Trump triumphed tonight, WTF? Are we really watching the same channel? BTW just yesterday Trump called FOX news disgusting. Multiple surveys show that he is the winner tonight. OK I know ppl are sick of politicians but a guy like Trump who was donor for both parties, really he is an outsider that will not corrupt?

Not sure what kind of agenda the media are trying to push. Maybe they just hope Trump getting the nomination to secure presidency for Clinton; Or maybe even simpler, the republican voters need to see doctors.
 
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