Should $240 an hour be YMMV ?

[RedRooster]

A new agency has popped up - Mojo (http://www.mojoescorts.ca). All of the girls list the services they offer and the list always ends in "YMMV". This includes one of the girls who charges $240 an hour.

Would you pay $240 an hour for YMMV ?

 

[UncleBob]

My very own answer is NO...

First YMMV unfortunately is used outrageously.

For me it is a teasing... "I might offer you GFE or DFK, or BBBJ ... if you've been a good boy...".
But often, the YMMV service is never offered. They just want to have your visit.
Ok it is probably not the case of every SP/Agency.

Anyway, an AD that includes the term YMMV for any GFE items is a no go for me.

When do they decide if they will do the YMMV service or not?
For Incall, We have to go to the place and get naked and wait til the girl has smelled our body?
If she says NO DFK, no BBBJ, No GFE, then I can leave?
I still made the travel for nothing...

For outcall, I guess it is the same story but still, will the driver wait until it is confirmed she does the full service or the YMMV version, in which case, she's out...

When they mention YMMV, is it like a Terms and Conditions that you accept the minute you see the girl? You cannot refuse her when she does not provide the YMMV service because it was stated as YMMV in the ad?

I'm looking for GFE service nothing less, nothing more. (Well, sometime I'll take more )
If you want to have my visit, DO NOT mention YMMV. YMMV does not sell good.
Actually you don't have to mention it. When I'm at your place, just tell me you don't provide GFE, or any services included in GFE, and I will go home and will never see you again.
If it is because I smell bad, or I'm too old, you better let me know, cause, I may review you as a B&S since you don't provide the advertised service.

 

[Gabriella Laurence]

A new agency has popped up - Mojo (http://www.mojoescorts.ca). All of the girls list the services they offer and the list always ends in "YMMV". This includes one of the girls who charges $240 an hour.

Would you pay $240 an hour for YMMV ?

Would you give oral (daty) to a lady who had less than desirable hygiene and exuded very unpleasant BO?
Would you French Kiss a lady who tasted like an ashtray?
Etc...

Hygiene is THE major factor in the experience shared between two people, hence why everything is "YMMV" even if advertised otherwise.

I don't mean to sound disgusting here but if my gentleman has a cheesy member (add the gut wrenching smell to it), there is no way he will be getting a BBBJ from me even if I am a full GFE+.

Respect is a two way street and impeccable hygiene is part of it no matter how much (high or low) a lady charges for her time.

 

[Halloween Mike]

I am looking at there website and honestly here is what i see

YMMV for the GFE factor ... NO. Even at 200$ its a no brainer i won't book a girl...
As for extras if there YMMV it will depend how much i want to see the girl, but i need a clear price on the phone prior to the meeting, i hate dealing with an SP on the spot, total mood killer...

As for the 240$ base price... well no GFE its an absolute NO !! If she is GFE but has YMMV to the GFE ... NO. If she is GFE and at 240... (no YMMV) ... i dunno. Problem is why should i pay 240$ the hour for a girl from a new agency that just opened... If we start paying 240 what you think will happen? Other agencies will raise there rates too... and i just feel its encouraging a business way i don't like.

I have not checked every girls on there roster... but most of them appear to be either 240 GFE-YMMV or 200 GFE-YMMV. From the get go i don't like the price being different from one girl to the other one...i don't like the fact that GFE is totally random YMMV and they expect you to still pay 240 even if you don't get GFE... seem like a way for the SP to syphone more $...

I will be honest, no matter how pretty some of there girls may look, the way they present there website is a total turn off for me... I think especially as a new agency they need to attrack customers. Why would i go to a new agency and risk having sub par services (as in no GFE) for highter price when i can already have excellent services with very hot girls at different agencies...

Nop... my prediction is unless they radically change there business aproach, this agency won't last a year...

I am being honest, and i hope the other merbites will be as well, so the agency can realize there mistake (from my point of view) and change there business practice.

I don't mean to sound disgusting here but if my gentleman has a cheesy member (add the gut wrenching smell to it), there is no way he will be getting a BBBJ from me even if I am a full GFE+.

Thats common sense Gabriella... you don't need to list that on a website. If the guy appears smelly/dirty, ask him to go in the shower, or refuse to see him completely. YMMV in ads just gives me a feeling like Uncle Bob(i was writing my post before he posted his so i saw it after) I feel its too easy to just put YMMV so in the end the girl can never provide GFE anyway or YMMV as in "if you give me an extra 50... wink wink" so well YMMV for GFE... total no thanks for me in term of ads as well

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YMMV should be used for Greek (we all know how different it is for one guy to the other) or special stuff. It should be mostly used for reviewer as for exemple the ads don't list CIM but he got it... but he will add this may be a YMMV factor. Some guys are nicer than others, behave better and such, so the YMMV factor should apply to the girl mood as well and how the chemistry function between you, again in review not in an adds. Swallow should also be YMMV as if the guy taste bad... i understand she don't want to swallow it...

All the rest, either hygiene or i dunno, guy growing a bush downstair is common sense... Of course you won't get BLS if you have an hairy scrotum... But for smell like i said, if a guy is idiot enough to show/receive unshowered and dirty, just refuse him or ask him to shower...

 

[PopeDover]

I wouldn't even pay average market price to a new agency unless I knew the girl or she's "industry proven". On the other hand, if they enticed me with a discount and didn't sound too retarded on the phone I'd gamble on an hour, and if it worked out well they'd have a new loyal customer paying average prices for multi-hour sessions and I'm sure I'd try other girls as well. Seems like a simple concept to me but I always assume the agencies know the market and their clients a lot better than I do, and all I have the power to do is pay or pass. If they make pricing mistakes on the high side then they're the ones paying the consequences of low demand, not me, so not my problem, and I can live with missing out on a girl if she turns out to be a star. Who knows, maybe she only wants a few clients and decided her time is worth a certain amount.

Regarding the YMMV, I always assume all girls are to some extent so not a factor whether they say or not, although to me it kind of sounds like a lame disclaimer, but honest at the same time. I tend to repeat with girls I know and like more often then trying new ones so I view that first session as a trial with an associated cost whether or not I get the mileage I want. I'd guess that if the girl gets no repeats due to plain old bad value then the agency has a problem and will either make adjustments or close up shop and open under a different name and website design

The short answer to your question is, there is no true answer from the clients perspective, only the market can decide, regardless of the random responses you may get.

 

[Gabriella Laurence]

Thats common sense Gabriella... you don't need to list that on a website.

But isn't that why the term YMMV is used? So a lady is not forced into providing a certain sexual activity she doesn't want to because of bad hygiene (amongst other negative reasons)?

YMMV in ads just gives me a feeling like Uncle Bob(i was writing my post before he posted his so i saw it after) I feel its too easy to just put YMMV so in the end the girl can never provide GFE anyway or YMMV as in "if you give me an extra 50... wink wink" so well YMMV for GFE... total no thanks for me in term of ads as well

So the general feeling seems to be that some SPs/agencies take advantage of the YMMV factor just to ask for more money and/or not provide anything "GFE", correct? If that's what happens, it's pretty lame to say the least.

 

[EagerBeaver]

This is the problem with bad reviews sometime. If the guy who wrote the review is a dirt bag with bad breath, smelly armpits and untrimmed, greasy pubic hairs clustered with little clumps that look like mouse droppings, what service do you think he will get from anyone? And unless you have met the poster it is very possible that this could be his description.

All ladies are YMMV to some extent but if your hygiene is good and you treat the lady well and still get bad service it may be that she is just not a good service SP. I know one lady I met in the last year and 3 other very credible hobbyists all warned me her service was terrible, but due to overconfidence in my own abilities I did not listen and learned they were all right.

You guys know who you are and you can say told you so. You were right

 

[Halloween Mike]

But isn't that why the term YMMV is used? So a lady is not forced into providing a certain sexual activity she doesn't want to because of bad hygiene (amongst other negative reasons)?

Clients know an SP is never forced to provide anything... I mean, it never happened to me yet, and i hope it never does, but i always understood that one day i may open the door and an SP could walk in, talk a bit to me and decide to leave for X reason. Either because im overweight, or she does not like how i sound... i dunno... I do my homework well, and book mostly well reviewed girls or girls i met in parties and such, BUT you never know. One thing for sure if a girl want to put a robber on me for a BJ, this is when i will say STOP and ask her whats the matter. If she don't want to provide BBJ, i am sorry but this is where the meeting will end and no payment should be provided. I pay for a GFE hour, if service can not be provided... then you can always leave but don't expect me to pay...

Of course i am always clean, tooth brushed, shaved and in fresh cloathing too I try my best to appear the best possible... so i expect service to be delivered...

In any case like i said, you have to be "reasonable". If somebody expect a BLS with a bush downstair... well thats having high hopes...

So the general feeling seems to be that some SPs/agencies take advantage of the YMMV factor just to ask for more money and/or not provide anything "GFE", correct? If that's the case, it's pretty lame to say the least.

More or less it does happen, or the girl may decide to provide less to a guy that is old/overweight or whatever, but if a young stud or a very good looking 40 y.o gentlemen show up, they can go all the way. At that point you can say thats its her right, but personally i won't encourage these kind of business practice... when i know no matter how i look i can have GFE+ from super great looking gals and have a great time with them.

Oh and let me congratulate you Rooster, for having the balls to make that thread. I see you don't post much on merb, but in this case its a very important thread and i am glad other merbites speak there minds on the matter. Maybe it will also help the agency who knows...? Of couse we on merb are a vocal minoity, but merb can sometimes be a reputation maker... because lots of lurkers read the reviews, even if they don't review themselves and such.

 

[RedRooster]

Would you give oral (daty) to a lady who had less than desirable hygiene and exuded very unpleasant BO?
Would you French Kiss a lady who tasted like an ashtray?
Etc...

You're right, and that is certainly understandable, but I think my hygiene is pretty good, I don't smoke, and I don't get liquored up before the session. It's hard to be objective about yourself, of course, but I've had some success with pretty girls I didn't pay for. Still, I've had YMMV used on me and it seemed to me that the service (DFK) was only a come on. I was not very happy about it and I'd be a lot less happy if I'd paid $240 ! Frankly, if there was something about me the girl didn't like, I'd have rather had her leave than use this gambit.

If the girl has certain limits - age, weight, etc. then why not be up front about it?

 

[UncleBob]

But isn't that why the term YMMV is used? So a lady is not forced into providing a certain sexual activity she doesn't want to because of bad hygiene (amongst other negative reasons)?

So the general feeling seems to be that some SPs/agencies take advantage of the YMMV factor just to ask for more money and/or not provide anything "GFE", correct? If that's what happens, it's pretty lame to say the least.

YOU ARE NEVER EVER forced to provide any GFE even if you advertize as Full GFE. But if you do not provide it, you better let the guy know why since it was advertised.

Unfortunately, the term YMMV defines indeed that you may not provide the advertised service but it will not be provided for ANY reason. So why would we take a chance?
It is better if you specify in your ads: I offer GFE (BBBJ and DFK and DATY) but only if your hygiene is as good as mine. (You can also specify weight and Age limits I guess)

 

[Delta123]

Personnaly, I don't need the YMMV at each description, this is implied. But if in a description I see "for Dfk (ymmv)" in that case I think it is good information.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

I have to agree with the YMMV to cover bad hygiene, someone with cock rot, has not shower in 3 days and whose breath smells like he just rimmed a cow would fall under that category. Someone with a massive dick may not get anal. But seeing YMMV does concern me when I see an ad.

 

[Rudolph]

I hear both sides of it, but I have to agree with the guys here. It's one thing to put YMMV on a specific thing like anal or something, but if putting a general YMMV disclaimer you start to impact your credibility. If it's about cleanliness I completely understand not providing any form of GFE, but that is most often written as something along the lines of "poor hygiene can put all GFE at risk". At least this is clear cut and tells the guy what to expect, but the way mojo advertises really just leaves it open as in all that is offered is up to the girl and her mood on a whim. I see this on the crappy ad sites all the time, and we all know how that ends for most guys

 

[Rudolph]

Downside, there's one girl there I'd love to meet (Mary Jane), but the question of what services are actually provided just makes it impossible. Too many I want to see without having to worry, too bad as I think she's gorgeous!

 

[Camille Haring]

I find this thread scary.

Seriously, guys! Would you stick some of those in your mouth? If the '' ymmv '' hat fits you, there is probably a reason. But it's not only a hygiene thing, in my opinion.
Have you guys ever heard about pheromones? About a clean something attached to a rude, unpolite or not enjoyable person?

Yes, you did travel Soooo far to get to the girl, and what à terrible waste of time for you If GFE is not offered to you for one of the reasons that could make the SP change her mind, but you may have wasted her time too, right?

Money back, back tap, hope you find a lady who just lovveee what that one sp didn't enjoy, and go on. It's not a price thing. It's a respect thing. And dont even make me bring up the fact that trying to convince the girls that you'' just took a shower '' or that '' yah but in the ad, it was written that you were GFE '' thing. Cause trying to change her mind on that by manipulation of any kind has a name. It's starts with an R.

My simple opinion guys, but Sometimes... It's also our milage may vary. As it is a blind Date. On both sides.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Have you guys ever heard about pheromones? About a clean something attached to a rude, unpolite or not enjoyable person?

Excellent point. Politeness goes a long way.

 

[Rudolph]

I think the fact that so many guys are trying to make the same point is making it come across very harsh. Please don't take it that way, not from me anyway Camille, it's just not that cut and dry.

I agree no woman, and I mean NONE, should ever have to provide a service, paid for or not, if they don't want to. But that's the end of that aspect and no one is disagreeing with that. If they are then they can burn in hell as they are sick puppies. I think for the most part, based on how all the guys talk about you on this board, to you this is such a foreign concept because you are honest. There's a lot of providers out there who aren't quite up to your level of class, important to keep in mind when reading what everyone has written.

However, if the guy is dirty in any way, or rude (i.e. refusing to take a shower or anything else), or even let's just say he really bothers you, not even mean just something clicks really bad. Then tell him to leave. I don't expect when paying for a service to get only a portion of it, I expect it all. If I put that at risk by not following the rules, then tell me to leave, even tell me that a small donation for wasting your time is in order, but to proceed as if everything is a green light and start eliminating services without even a mention is tantamount to theft.

 

[Merlot]

Hello all,

I just took my first look and I love the big stuffed Teddy Bear advertisement approach. :thumb:

Would you give oral (daty) to a lady who had less than desirable hygiene and exuded very unpleasant BO?
Would you French Kiss a lady who tasted like an ashtray?
Etc...

Hygiene is THE major factor in the experience shared between two people, hence why everything is "YMMV" even if advertised otherwise.

I don't mean to sound disgusting here but if my gentleman has a cheesy member (add the gut wrenching smell to it), there is no way he will be getting a BBBJ from me even if I am a full GFE+.

Respect is a two way street and impeccable hygiene is part of it no matter how much (high or low) a lady charges for her time.

I would tend to agree with you overall Gabriella, but with reservations. Frankly I find the listing of YMMV for nearly every lady more honest. Some agencies tend to do the opposite listing nearly every lady as GFE or PSE. For the same reasons Gabriella lists, and more, I have never understood how those promises can be kept considering that a lot of clients must be drunk, stoned, high and therefor likely lacking in hygiene and having poorer attitudes. Not most of them but enough to make these GFE/PSE promises questionable. What do ladies working under these liberal labels do when they encounter some slob of one sort or another? Break the agency's promises??? We all know any situation could be YMMV so branding so many ladies with promises of implied top services for everyone cannot hold up. A YMMV is more realistic, if not the most alluring, and at least gives the ladies a much easier position to deny slob what they otherwise might demand as an agency promise.

While I agree with the guys on the idea that listing everyone as YMMV has a second edge of giving every lady an excuse to deny GFE/PSE overall, if that really is how the agency and it;s ladies intend to service their clients they won't last long in this current GFE level standard in the Montreal industry. So I would not be too worried about getting less than the current norm in services if clients are acceptably presentable.

What has my attention is the higher average rate, not the YMMV label. If you support it for this agency all others will raise their rates eventually.

Why would i go to a new agency and risk having sub par services (as in no GFE) for highter price when i can already have excellent services with very hot girls at different agencies...

The real question is how many of us have the balls to resist if they don't like the setup, whatever the details are that turns anyone off? We've seen the same kind of negative first reactions to new agencies before with guys objecting to this and that only to find out they rushed over there anyway. Too many post objections then call right over and eagerly pull down their pants. Honestly the pics of a few ladies have my attention already. Do I resist with an upcoming trip not far off? Will you guys stay away or decide to beat others there?

How much of these objections are just talk???

Seriously, guys! Would you stick some of those in your mouth? If the '' ymmv '' hat fits you, there is probably a reason. But it's not only a hygiene thing, in my opinion.
Have you guys ever heard about pheromones? About a clean something attached to a rude, unpolite or not enjoyable person?

Of course on a sex board all the guys are extremely concerned about how the ladies feel about them when we guys are on the receiving end of sex with beautiful women. Johns always put hygiene considerations far ahead their raging hormones. No male-centered bias in this industry. :lol:

Good luck,

Merlot

 

[hungry101]

A brand new agency that I have never heard of and they are charging more and advertising YMMV? I'll pass. Is this another tourist trap B&S agency?

 

[UncleBob]

I think Mojo removed any mention of YMMV in their latest ads because I don't see any.