Sold-for-sex - Fox News story on human trafficing

[hungry101]

All you hobbyists (this is still a sex board, correct?), do you think any of the women who you sold you their services were victims? You paid them money willingly, and they provided their bodies with some limits willingly. She left happy. You were probably happy. No victims. But not according to the people who want to stop you from doing what you have done. They view paid sex as the man taking advantage of the woman. She is a victim. And you are the perpretrator even though she was never trafficked, and she is doing this by her own free will. If you don't believe me, do your own research on these groups and people. Look at the youtubes that I posted.

Guys this is the point.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

All you hobbyists (this is still a sex board, correct?), do you think any of the women who you sold you their services were victims? You paid them money willingly, and they provided their bodies with some limits willingly. She left happy. You were probably happy. No victims. But not according to the people who want to stop you from doing what you have done. They view paid sex as the man taking advantage of the woman. She is a victim. And you are the perpretrator even though she was never trafficked, and she is doing this by her own free will. If you don't believe me, do your own research on these groups and people. Look at the youtubes that I posted.

Yes, this is true. However, the ones who want to restrict your activities come mostly from the religious right. There are feminists on both sides of this issue, including the majority of feminists I know who think that women should have the right to do with their bodies as they choose. There are currently 6 Republicans running for President of the US. All of them, with the exception of Ron Paul, total ly support the government's control over women's bodies, from abortion to prostitution.

 

[daydreamer41]

Yes, this is true. However, the ones who want to restrict your activities come mostly from the religious right. There are feminists on both sides of this issue, including the majority of feminists I know who think that women should have the right to do with their bodies as they choose. There are currently 6 Republicans running for President of the US. All of them, with the exception of Ron Paul, total ly support the government's control over women's bodies, from abortion to prostitution.

The truth is the pressure to outlaw prostitution in Canada is coming from different groups on both sides, as I had posted previously and provided links to websites and videos. What happened in Sweden was totally from feminists. And that law is being looked as a model for other countries in Europe. The Swedish law won't affect US law because each US state has a prostitution law making prostitution illegal for both parties. But the Swedish law could affect Canada.

I haven't seen any questions about prostitution in the Republican debates. They have answered questions about abortion. I think all of the candidates, including Ron Paul, would say that states have the right to make laws on prostitution as they see fit.

 

[hungry101]

Yes, this is true. However, the ones who want to restrict your activities come mostly from the religious right. There are feminists on both sides of this issue, including the majority of feminists I know who think that women should have the right to do with their bodies as they choose. There are currently 6 Republicans running for President of the US. All of them, with the exception of Ron Paul, total ly support the government's control over women's bodies, from abortion to prostitution.

Ahhh now we are getting somewhere. Yes, I agree Ron Paul is the only choice and he will get my vote. I cringe when I hear the latest crop of Republican hopefulls talk about abortion. Hell, in many cases, I think that abortion should be mandatory. As a libertarian, I do not need government protecting me from myself. When Ron Paul said that prostitution was between a man and woman the democratic party had a field day. Didn't Harry Reid D of Nevada recently say that it is time that all prosititution in Nevada is outlawed. Yes, I believe this recent Fox News story resonated with the bible thumpers on the right as well as the feminists that DD41 refered to.

 

[gugu]

Actually, it can come from either party in Canada.

Thanks for admitting that if prostitution is to be criminalized in Canada it will not necessarily come from Liberal Party being pressurized by the feminists. I would not not give you an A for the quick research you made under pressure, but at least you came out with a more balanced point of view. I have to agree with you, there are strong anti prostitution advocates in all political parties in Canada as is all the left-right spectrum over the world. The reason I think the Conservatives are more likely to adopt a law to criminalize clients is twofold. The first is circumstantial: they are the ones who will be power when the Ontario Court of Appeal and further the Supreme Court will render their decisions. Harper is clearly opposed to giving further rights to sex workers. He has not maid any promise about it. But I think that if he is pushed against the wall by court decisions he will prefer to adopt a law to criminalize client then simply let go the decriminalization. On the other hand, I think that the conservatives, in Canada at least, are more driven by morality then the principles of a society of rights. Religious groups play a more important role in this party then in the Liberal Party and the NDP.

It's a stretch but if this whole crock of shit has the same smell.

The wording is harsh but I agree. I did read the story again and i think there is probably a lot of an exaggeration in it. It is typical of the abolitionist method. Jumping out of a car a 60 miles per hour and the likes. Also, there is the title: « trafficking ». Are we really talking about a case of trafficking here ? The abolitionists have succeeded in transforming the language of the media in the last decade. Every time they talk about prostitution the word trafficking is not far. It adds a well-desired effect of dramatization in the debate.

 

[daydreamer41]

Thanks for admitting that if prostitution is to be criminalized in Canada it will not necessarily come from Liberal Party being pressurized by the feminists. I would not not give you an A for the quick research you made under pressure, but at least you came out with a more balanced point of view. I have to agree with you, there are strong anti prostitution advocates in all political parties in Canada as is all the left-right spectrum over the world. The reason I think the Conservatives are more likely to adopt a law to criminalize clients is twofold. The first is circumstantial: they are the ones who will be power when the Ontario Court of Appeal and further the Supreme Court will render their decisions. Harper is clearly opposed to giving further rights to sex workers. He has not maid any promise about it. But I think that if he is pushed against the wall by court decisions he will prefer to adopt a law to criminalize client then simply let go the decriminalization. On the other hand, I think that the conservatives, in Canada at least, are more driven by morality then the principles of a society of rights. Religious groups play a more important role in this party then in the Liberal Party and the NDP.

Look, I am only trying to access the situation. I have found groups on each side of the political spectrum. I knew about certain feminism groups against prostitution. I go by issues. I don't take the attitude like some, my party right or wrong. I don't think this is a political issue. The religious groups use morality as their reasons to ban prostitution. The left will use victimhood to ban prostitution. Maybe, the left and right will use victimhood, after listening to the Evangelical woman speak on the subject. And there are those on the left, as rumps has pointed out, that support women's rights to be prostitutes. I think that's how the whole court case in Ontario got started.

No one knows the outcome. There is one thing for sure - there will be a lot of lobbying from the different groups after the court case is decided. The appeals court in Ontario or I guess utimately the Supreme Court of Canada may leave the government with no ability to legislate if they rule that all forms of prostitution are legal. Who knows.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Ahhh now we are getting somewhere. Yes, I agree Ron Paul is the only choice and he will get my vote. I cringe when I hear the latest crop of Republican hopefulls talk about abortion. Hell, in many cases, I think that abortion should be mandatory. As a libertarian, I do not need government protecting me from myself.

No, but you sure do need them protecting you from the big banks and multi-national corporations. Nice pic in the papers today of Paul with the head of the KKK. In Paul's world, slavery would still be legal. Hell, you don't want the government interfering in your property rights. Yes, he's right on many individual rights issues and on many foreign policy issues, but overall he's a dangerous crazy man.

When Ron Paul said that prostitution was between a man and woman the democratic party had a field day. Didn't Harry Reid D of Nevada recently say that it is time that all prosititution in Nevada is outlawed. Yes, I believe this recent Fox News story resonated with the bible thumpers on the right as well as the feminists that DD41 refered to.

In point of fact, the Democrats are as wrong as the Republicans on prostitution issues. The only demographic groups in the US that, as a whole, are in favor of eliminating the prostitution laws are libertarians and the (significant) subgroup of feminists that see is as an issue of personal control of their own bodies.

 

[daydreamer41]

No, but you sure do need them protecting you from the big banks and multi-national corporations. Nice pic in the papers today of Paul with the head of the KKK. In Paul's world, slavery would still be legal. Hell, you don't want the government interfering in your property rights. Yes, he's right on many individual rights issues and on many foreign policy issues, but overall he's a dangerous crazy man..

I didn't see that picture. Do you have a link?

I think Paul is a dangerous man also, because of his foreign policy and he did have ties segragations at one time.

In point of fact, the Democrats are as wrong as the Republicans on prostitution issues. The only demographic groups in the US that, as a whole, are in favor of eliminating the prostitution laws are libertarians and the (significant) subgroup of feminists that see is as an issue of personal control of their own bodies.

There is a divide among feminists. Both voices are loud. Feminists are loud by nature. But do not underestimate the ones who want to adopt the prostitution law of Sweden. It happened in Sweden and it can happen in other places where prostitution is still legal.

 

[hungry101]

Just in case you are wondering about the report they are talking about, it was made by Shapiro. Remember Beth Shapiro? If not, I suggest that you read a story about their "junk science" written by Nick Pinto in the Village Voice last February or March.

http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-03...work-sex-trafficking-study-is-junk-science/4/

Thanks for the tip. It was a great article and the sarcasim was priceless. I'm going to send a link to Fox. Priceless.

So Shipiro looked at pictures in online adds and decided for themselves that 38 out of 100 girls were under 18. They never tracked down the girls and I.D. them. these were not girls that they ever met or interviewed. They just looked at several pictures on Craigs list or Back Page type on line sites and counted the girls that looked like they were under the age of 18. the article said Woman's groups are spouting this as if it is gospel. This should be required reading for all memebers.

Thnaks again for the tip Gugu

 

[Merlot]

Hello Hungry,

I just want to say I'm sorry for getting too harsh yesterday. I had no right to go that far, and should have used a much more moderate response.

Regrets,

Merlot

 

[hungry101]

Hello Hungry,

I just want to say I'm sorry for getting too harsh yesterday. I had no right to go that far, and should have used a much more moderate response.

Regrets,

Merlot

No problem. Hungry holds no grudges.

You indicated very strongly that I misinterpreted what you were trying to say. Thank you for setting the record straight.

Your penance is that you must read the article that gugu suggested we all read from the village voice.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

I think Paul is a dangerous man also, because of his foreign policy and he did have ties segragations at one time.

Actually, I think he's strongest on foreign policy. It's high time the US stopped footing over half the world's defense tab. It's his economic policies and his belief in anarchy that scare me.

 

[Mod 8]

Let's not get off topic here guys. If you wish to discuss politics do it in another thread.

M8