The Bitching thread

[AirBo]

Is it just me or there seems to be a lot of complaining around in various threads? Might be the holiday season...

I figured it'd be nice to have an "all in" thread where people can just bitch about stuff while, hopefully, remain somewhat respectful.

I can start with a few points, some of which have been brought up elsewhere, by me and others:

1- GFE is not GFE anymore: I stated before that, now, you have to double check about the DFK and DATY parts before booking with an agency, but if the trend continues, you'll have to double check the BBBJ (or just plain BJ) part as well in 2024.​

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2- Physical ratings are inflated: I, personally, will refrain from rating SPs I see on their physical attributes. First of all, because "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", but mostly because most people seem to have lost their minds (or balls) when giving high grades. The only example I'll give is this:​

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- 10 means perfect, 10 means dream girl. 10 means unattainable. Maybe 5 SPs in Montreal are truly 10s.​

- 5 means average, and there's quite a few floating around.​

- In between, you'll find the GND types (6 & 7) and the hot / really hot ones (8 & 9)​

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By giving 10s left and right, you lose credibility by creating false expectations, hence disappointment.​

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3- The industrialization and dehumanization of sex work: The Incall business model implemented by XO and Euphoria is a financial success for them. Their girls get fully booked really fast. BUT... 90% of the sessions are 1h sessions with really short breaks in between. What do you think is going on? There's 0 intimacy, 0 romanticism and, in the end, pretty much 0 human connection. 18-22 yo spinners get pounded up to 5-6 times a day, day in day out, by a line up of guys eagerly waiting for their turn outside. I'm sorry but there's nothing appealing about this... quite the opposite when you really think about it.​

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4- Indy rates: I get it... you got expenses and you're worth it. What's funny though is that at this price (and, dare I say, age) range, your targeted audience is a lot smaller. And from what I see, there seems to be more and more competition in the Indy market. I'm pretty sure some (most?) of you find that times are somewhat difficult. 450+$ per hour? Add another 50$ for Outcall with a minimum booking of 1.5h? Really?​

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I could go on and on. I could talk about Screening, LeoList, false stats on agency websites, etc.

Agencies, Indies, Clients... everyone bears part of the blame. But that's the hobby we live in at the dawn of 2024.

Fortunately for me, I found my sweet spot. I should be fine.

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There you go... I started it

 

[MCTJ]

That's a good starting point for a PhD thesis on the topic of sex work in Montreal. Where do I send my application?

 

[AirBo]

That's a good starting point for a PhD thesis on the topic of sex work in Montreal. Where do I send my application?

This is just me making people think. Doesn't mean I'm necessarily right. Doesn't mean I laid each thought fully. I'd be happy to debate respectfully.

I have so much more in mind but I needed to start somewhere LOL

 

[AirBo]

GFE & PSE in 2024

As it is expected that the current trend continues, the terms GFE & PSE should be used, and understood, differently. They should not imply particular services anymore but an experience

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- GFE: Sure she'll fuck you, but she'll happily also spend 30 mns with you just talking, laughing and asking about your day​

- PSE: Sure she'll fuck you, but she'll also talk and act really slutty​

 

[Fradi]

I think you are bang on with most of your assessment.
I have refrained from using agencies for exactly what you have described. I don’t see any type of human connection and to me it is like an assembly line of ATM‘s waiting their turn to make a deposit. Heaven is the only agency SP I have seen and that was in a duo with a favourite Indy and I am happy to say she was fabulous so I could very well be wrong about using agencies.

I often wonder how Indy’s can maintain the price range of today especially when I see how many are out there and if I really analyze it I just don’t see that many clients for them to be able to all make a decent living just from escorting.

I don’t know about other clients but if I take Indy Companions as an example there are over 100 SP advertising, of those I would probably find 20-30 that attract me enough to book them and I am guessing most clients would be similar and probably would be picking more or less the same 20-30 escorts so how do the rest make a living.
Now having said that the 20-30 that I find I am attracted to, reality is that I have an ATF who I see regularly and who I will always see as long as she wants me to see her and one other young lady, I only see maybe 2-3 new escorts a year so that kind of narrows it down even more.

i don’t think Montreal has enough US visitors for it to be profitable for all these ladies and somehow I think the local pool of men are dwindling also with the way inflation and the economy is going so I see 2024 as a tough year for both escorts and clients.
The top agencies will probably weather the storm and so will the most popular Indies but something will have to give as I don’t see the current situation as being maintainable.


For me personally if I remain healthy enough I don’t expect any change I will continue to see the same gorgeous young ladies regularly and hopefully they will still be available.
I have no gripes or complaints with the ladies I have been seeing and will continue to see in fact I feel extremely lucky and blessed that they are part of my life and I so look forward to seeing them each and every time, they are amazingly gorgeous, kind and always treat me extremely well.

 

[AirBo]

I think you are bang on with most of your assessment

I did put it into words and some thoughts are just mine, but most of this is a resume of what was posted in other threads by other people.

I often wonder how Indy’s can maintain the price range of today especially when I see how many are out there and if I really analyze it I just don’t see that many clients for them to be able to all make a decent living just from escorting.

Lots of them have regular jobs, and I believe that's great

Indy Companions as an example there are over 100 SP advertising

I started scrolling and gave up 1/3 through. But I love and encourage the concept!

I will continue to see the same gorgeous young ladies regularly

Me too but I need to expand my harem somehow

 

[Fradi]

Me too but I need to expand my harem somehow

I doubt any of us would have a problem in finding suitable young ladies as there are many gorgeous young ladies out there.
Finding how to increase your finances to cover it is the real problem lol.
The real issue is exactly that how do I satisfy my sexual need with the finances available to me, it is not about being able to find enough gorgeous women, luckily Montreal still has that in abundance.

 

[AirBo]

Finding how to increase your finances to cover it is the real problem lol.
The real issue is exactly that how do I satisfy my sexual need with the finances available to me

The funny part of this is that, if you're somehow addicted to it, the more money you make, the more you hobby. So in the end, whether you make 50K or 150K, you end up wondering where the money has gone LOL

Only the really wealthy don't care how much it costs.

 

[Fradi]

The funny part of this is that, if you're somehow addicted to it, the more money you make, the more you hobby. So in the end, whether you make 50K or 150K, you end up wondering where the money has gone LOL

Only the really wealthy don't care how much it costs.

I don’t know, I guess most of us get addicted to it, how can you not get addicted to being able to be with gorgeous young women.
As far as not knowing where the money has gone to, no I don’t agree with that, I know exactly where it has gone to but I think of it that money is supposed to be spent on things to make you happy so no buyers remorse for me.
Whether you make 50k or 150k is a huge difference lol and it will certainly reflect on your hobbying also.
You can’t increase your harem too much if you make 50k , wishing it so will not accomplish it, cold hard cash will.

You are right most of us care how much it costs as there are very few that fall into the really wealthy category and a lot of them don’t need to hobby as women will seek them out, that doesn’t mean it will cost them less though, for most hobbying would probably be a cost saving.

 

[AirBo]

All indies and all agency girls say they provide GFE, so what's even the point of the term at that point? I'd rather have the services that the girl is comfortable with providing anyone on the website

Yes. I guess we have come to this. The nice thing about how the terms were used before is that the client didn't have to go through the awkwardness of asking about a list of services to the girl / booker during the booking process.

But then again, if they can charge more and still get booked, why wouldn't day?

Of course, I agree 100%. I'm sure lots of Indies have their maths right.

3) Both exist, so the girls can pick. Some prefer outcalls as they get more breaks and can chat with other girls and the driver in the car. Or they prefer thet because it feels more like a date. Some prefer incalls for the convenience of working a shift, the safety of being in a controlled environment, and maximizing returns for less time spent. Different clients also prefer different formats. I think it's great that both are available.

I like how you phrased this, as my observation is NOT a critique of XO & Euphoria. They provide a service because there is a demand. Their success says a lot...

 

[Fradi]

Of course, I agree 100%. I'm sure most of the Indies have their maths right.

I think most follow a trend if they see a bunch of their colleagues charging a certain amount then they feel that they are also worth it and try to match, now ultimately the market will determine if they are correct. In the end they have no choice but to get it right or have a second source of income.

 

[AirBo]

I think most follow a trend if they see a bunch of their colleagues charging a certain amount then they feel that they are also worth it and try to match, now ultimately the market will determine if they are correct. In the end they have no choice but to get it right or have a second source of income.

The amazing deal offered by Katrina Vianna almost made me plunge, but even at this price point, it's something I cannot simply brush aside. Now, I know I will regret it eventually LOL

All this to say, I'd be curious to see what "regular" promotions could bring to Indies for their business. Sure, on the very short term (that 1st session), you may "lose" money, but what if it brings you 1 or 2 extra regulars on the long run at regular rates? And this is without taking under account that there will automatically be more bookings during those promo days.

I'm not suggesting anything... I'm just saying besides, I'm sure it was tried before and it didn't stick for some reason.

 

[Cruiser777]

GFE & PSE in 2024

As it is expected that the current trend continues, the terms GFE & PSE should be used, and understood, differently. They should not imply particular services anymore but an experience

​

- GFE: Sure she'll fuck you, but she'll happily also spend 30 mns with you just talking, laughing and asking about your day​

- PSE: Sure she'll fuck you, but she'll also talk and act really slutty​

Good initiative starting this "Bitching" thread...It was due.

I like to go few years back where (Weather advertised or not) you would get

-GFE: DFK, BBBJ, CIM, DIGITS, DATY, talking (Wasting time) was optional.

-PSE: DFK (Like there is no tomorrow) , BBBJ, CIM, DIGITS, DATY, Swallow, Facial, Greek.
(With no interruption, stopping and asking extra SSs for this and that).

Due to lack of quality girls available past 6:00pm my encounters have been limited so not too many discoveries, all I can say that from the past year or so only these girls qualify as the above mentioned descriptions. (And the only repeats).

Hennessey Euphoria (Now retired)
Emily XO (All included but no greek).

(I'm sure there are few others ones that I have not met yet due to lack of availability at certain times).

So anybody discovers ladies similar to the ones mentioned above let us know.
Although...Would be less bitching after encounters like mentioned above.

 

[LC18]

3- The industrialization and dehumanization of sex work: The Incall business model implemented by XO and Euphoria is a financial success for them. Their girls get fully booked really fast. BUT... 90% of the sessions are 1h sessions with really short breaks in between. What do you think is going on? There's 0 intimacy, 0 romanticism and, in the end, pretty much 0 human connection. 18-22 yo spinners get pounded up to 5-6 times a day, day in day out, by a line up of guys eagerly waiting for their turn outside. I'm sorry but there's nothing appealing about this... quite the opposite when you really think about it.

I know a lot of clients book multi hours with agency girls because it’s cheaper. So I’m really hoping that they rarely have a 5-6 guys kind of day. It sound physically and emotionally draining.

I know from reading reviews on here (yes I read them) that sometimes 1h booking in an agency is more like a 50-45 mins booking because you’re rushed out of the door.

 

[LC18]

GFE: DFK, BBBJ, CIM, DIGITS, DATY, talking (Wasting time) was optional.

Most of us talk to break the ice. If you want a good service with passion, we need to be more comfortable so expecting to f*** right after you walked in is unrealistic.

For most, we will limit ourselves to ice breakers before s** and then we will talk more after if there’s no round 2.

 

[bodick7]

I know a lot of clients book multi hours with agency girls because it’s cheaper. So I’m really hoping that they rarely have a 5-6 guys kind of day. It sound physically and emotionally draining.

I know from reading reviews on here (yes I read them) that sometimes 1h booking in an agency is more like a 50-45 mins booking because you’re rushed out of the door.

J'appelle ça une usine à saucisses...c'est pour ça que j'aime mieux les indies.

 

[AirBo]

J'appelle ça une usine à saucisses...c'est pour ça que j'aime mieux les indies.

The meat grinder. It is what it is.

 

[LC18]

All I’m saying is I hope they get enough time between clients to catch their breath.

They for sure get enough time to shower because I read sometimes that some of the girls open the door with wet hair or a towel. So if you were worried about that, worry not lol.

 

[AirBo]

SCREENING - PROVIDING YOUR ID

What's up with the screening, guys? Like on all social media in this day and age, are we willing to give up our intimacy and anonymity in hopes of meeting an SP?

- Your driver's licence?​

- Your LinkedIn?​

I have no problem with my regulars / fav knowing me on a very personal level, but then they are few and far in between.

For Indies especially, screening MUST be done. There must be different, reliable ways.

 

[bodick7]

So anybody discovers ladies similar to the ones mentioned above let us know.

Not sure I would like every merb's big dicks chasing her...