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DouMan

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SCREENING - PROVIDING YOUR ID

What's up with the screening, guys? Like on all social media in this day and age, are we willing to give up our intimacy and anonymity in hopes of meeting an SP?

- Your driver's licence?​
- Your LinkedIn?​

I have no problem with my regulars / fav knowing me on a very personal level, but then they are few and far in between.

For Indies especially, screening MUST be done. There must be different, reliable ways.

Just thinking out loud here but how about making both sides equal?

The lady asks for my drivers license, or personal facebook account, or personal linkdn?
No problem, in exchange of her exact same information.

Not too sure that boat would really float.
 
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I will just reiterate what I mentioned in other threads (where my comments keep being removed because not being relevant to the thread…)

This is one of the reasons I made this thread. So review threads don't get polluted with back and forth.

Come bitching here and talk about it :)
 

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The lady asks for my drivers license, or personal facebook account, or personal linkdn?
No problem, in exchange of her exact same information.

So that we can be stalked, followed and maybe worse?

So that if she doesn’t give a good service you can harass her in her personal life?

Sounds like a good idea…

We are a lot more vulnerable than our clients so this is not a very realistic approach.
 

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Whats the saying? The last thing anyone wants to hear is “we’re from the government and we’re here to help”
It is exactly like when Russia decided to help all the iron curtain countries and now Ukraine.
 
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So that we can be stalked, followed and maybe worse?

So that if she doesn’t give a good service you can harass her in her personal life?

Sounds like a good idea…

We are a lot more vulnerable than our clients so this is not a very realistic approach.

yup. what an idiotic post by him.
 

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So that we can be stalked, followed and maybe worse?

So that if she doesn’t give a good service you can harass her in her personal life?

Sounds like a good idea…

We are a lot more vulnerable than our clients so this is not a very realistic approach.
I totally agree with you however where I don’t agree is that most of you make out as if giving out our personal identification is totally safe and it is like handing it over when you get a drivers licence. That is not the case at all, there are many horror stories with clients being harassed and threatened as well. Yes if you do your research you reduce your chances of that happening but it is not nearly as safe as SP make it out to be.

I know you have said that if someone is not comfortable doing that they should move on and that is exactly what I do.
 

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yup. what an idiotic post by him.

No not really, u think the same shit couldnt be done by a lady? Extorting men threats to expose their activities to their jobs, LE, significant others???? Please dude, see this is the thinking that i was just talking about!!!
 
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No not really, u think the same shit couldnt be done by a lady? Extorting men threats to expose their activities to their jobs, LE, significant others???? Please dude, see this is the thinking that i was just talking about!!!
I don’t think that it happens nearly as much and I totally agree with LC18 that an SP is in a much more vulnerable position than clients most times as it is their livelihood and for a reputable SP it doesn’t make sense to screw it up.
However what you say does happen and it is not a one in a million occurrence and not nearly as safe as SP make it out to be so for that reason no I will never give my government ID to an SP I have never met before.
 

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Right, i didn't mean to insinuate it was common practice, nor do i believe gentleman are rabidly attacking the ladies in droves either, so fuck it if were gonna do it then we both give our personal info then we both have skin in the game and much less likely either party fucks over the other

As far as when it does happen its usually when the lady will be leaving the industry and the reputation no longer matters, it was quite awhile ago and only twice I remember a lady really screwing guys over, both were very popular a d well respected ladies in the industry, one was in niagara falls, the other in montreal, so to believe their reputation will protect you is naive
 
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So that we can be stalked, followed and maybe worse?

So that if she doesn’t give a good service you can harass her in her personal life?

Sounds like a good idea…

We are a lot more vulnerable than our clients so this is not a very realistic approach.
Yes I agree with you that the odds are in fact quit different, even though the John could also be harassed or stalked by pimps.

This being said, my comment was effectively based only on the top layer of the subject.

It goes without saying that the ladies safety is much more at risk.

So ... guess my boat just sank ;)
 
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I desire to pay DFK and DATY a nice woman tonight, despite it being 8pm the day after Christmas. Lol. Years ago I could scour the web and accomplish my desire. It wouldn’t be easy, but it was acheivable. Random announce sites had dishonesty, but it didn’t feel so prevalent. Perhaps time has made me more skeptic. Perhaps all my acquired knowledge has dulled my desire in tandem with my plummeting testosterone.

I want someone to turn back time for me! Let me experience that rush of last minute satisfaction! Give me back my glorious youth! Let me retain the memories and knowledge I have now and love back then!
 
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DouMan

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yup. what an idiotic post by him.
Paleese refrain on the harsh words. I am a very sensitive person and tend to shed a tear when spoken to in such a mannner.

More seriously now, no disrespect was meant to either parties and, as explained, my comment was top layer based on mutual trust between John + SP.

Sadly we must admit that the % of shit head Johns would never allow such a venue.

Love you too @NoChurchInTheWild
 
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1- GFE is not GFE anymore: now, you have to double check about the DFK and DATY parts before booking with an agency, but if the trend continues, you'll have to double check the BBBJ (or just plain BJ) part as well in 2024.
Times have changed ... 2023 GFE/PSE is not the same as 2000 GFE/PSE. Even in civilian relationships. When I was younger, dating a cute girl that swallowed - was instant wife material. Fast forward to just a few years ago, I met a rather conservative looking girl that swore she only enjoyed anal sex and considered vaginal sex was only for the few times she felt romantic. She would ask me to cum on her face every night so she could rub into her skin like a face cream. I don't even know what category I would place that in.

Lots of people seem to really be adamant about DFK... but from the SPs POV, I can also understand why they could be reluctant. Next time you see a girl you're open with, just for the fun of it, ask her to show you the worst DFK a John insisted on doing with her... I feel bad for the shit they have to endure sometimes.



2- Physical ratings are inflated: By giving 10s left and right, you lose credibility by creating false expectations, hence disappointment.

I agree with you. As more Johns enter the conversation the more unreliable it gets. The only way it works is if everyone comparing have comparable tastes and similar scale (ex: Anchored Rating Scales).
For example, a porn star I just can't find attractive is Mia Khalifa. Her face to me is a 3-4/10 max, but I know a ton of guys that give her a 10/10 - nobody is right or wrong, just have different tastes right? Many sites have removed multi-axis star ratings and replaced with simple up-down voting, some places don't even have the downvotes anymore. Perhaps there are better ways?

3- The industrialization and dehumanization of sex work: The Incall business model implemented by XO and Euphoria is a financial success for them. Their girls get fully booked really fast. BUT... 90% of the sessions are 1h sessions with really short breaks in between. What do you think is going on? There's 0 intimacy, 0 romanticism and, in the end, pretty much 0 human connection. 18-22 yo spinners get pounded up to 5-6 times a day, day in day out, by a line up of guys eagerly waiting for their turn outside. I'm sorry but there's nothing appealing about this... quite the opposite when you really think about it.

Industrial.... you've been to Econo Brossard or to a full service strip club right? Those are way more hardcore in my opinion... you can practically smell the lube as you enter the door with used condoms overflowing the minature garbage.

Eupho and XO 1h session, considering its really 45-50 min and rarely full sex for that time. Really, 1h session is a 20-30 min physical session for which you're paying an hour for. Which I think is more than sufficient. But if a guy really wants intimacy and romance... he might as well book for 2-3 hours. Perhaps that's what people really associate with a GFE?

4- Indy rates: I get it... you got expenses and you're worth it. What's funny though is that at this price (and, dare I say, age) range, your targeted audience is a lot smaller.​

I might not always agree with their "evaluation", but hey, if they can reach the success they're looking for good for them. In the end, somethig is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. You can sometimes get a feel for the market though, discounts are often a sign that sales aren't great. Ego is a very cruel thing when you're an entrepreneur, can't imagine how much more it might hurt in the sex industry. I know a few girls that make an ok living but nowhere near what they would want others to think. The "fake it 'till you become it" is really popular out there ... but that's a sucker's play.

Also I've always had a bit of an issue when they say : Do you realize how much I have to pay to get my hair done, my makeup, my nails, gym, etc..... I always ask myself, but wouldn't you regardless? That's 100% a you thing. We all have expenses, that's why we work in the first place. I can't just tripple my price because I want to have a Lambo and expect my clients to be happy about it. They would drop me in a heartbeat and walk away hysterically.

Besides, nice to see a women that takes care of herself, but the reality, I've rarely met a guy that cared enough for that. I offer it to my gfs because it makes them happy, but in all honesty as long as her nails are clean, I don't really care how they are decorated. Its even worst with an SP, that just means your grip is going to be weak due to those horrific nails, I won't be able to pull on your hair cause you got extensions, and cum on your face will reveal 50 shades of makeup.... ya no thanks.

*I'm sorry - to all I may have offended with crude but honest remarks and writing style.
 
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AirBo

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When I was younger, dating a cute girl that swallowed - was instant wife material

Sophie! Marissa! Melanie F! Melanie B! Brenda! Benedicte! Laetitia! Sandy! Barbara! Florence! Virginie! Claire! Minnie! Mégane! Irina! Emilie!

Fast forward to just a few years ago, I met a rather conservative looking girl that swore she only enjoyed anal sex ............. She would ask me to cum on her face every night

Karine! Clara!
 
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Personally I have nothing to complain about, except for the inconvenience of outcall agencies often being 15-30 min late, but that's understandable. Generally speaking though I found that my experiences have improved by switching from incall to outcall agencies, which is reflected in point 3: the industrialization of the (incall) agency business. Outcall girls tend to be in a better mood due to the fact that they have time to relax in the car and to socialize with other girls (or the driver) between clients.

Regarding the purpoted lack of GFE service, that's not something I have exeprerienced with Vog and Luxury. I always make sure to have an impeccable hygiene (fresh shower, good breath, shaved facial hair, clean haircut, clean hands/nails) and to be polite and respectful. I believe this goes a long way in making sure the SP is comfortable to provide her best service.
 

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GIRLS STATS ON AGENCY WEBSITES

Except for XO and Euphoria who dominate the "teen spinner" market, having some basic notions of "Escorts Mathematics 101" is a must.

- Age = Age + 5​
- Weight = Weight + 20​

If you keep that in mind, you won't be disappointed.
 
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GIRLS STATS ON AGENCY WEBSITES

Except for XO and Euphoria who dominate the "teen spinner" market, having some basic notions of "Escorts Mathematics 101" is a must.

- Age = Age + 5​
- Weight = Weight + 20​

If you keep that in mind, you won't be disappointed.
Also worth noting that some escorts have a superpower in that their age stays constant with the passage of time ;)
 
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