The current state of the indie scene...

[WhoAreYou]

Regardless of being politically incorrect or not, Birds has some really solid points and I can understand and relate to his claims.

Not taking any sides here!
But, I believe reviews should be unbiased, and people should refrain from posting comments unless they have questions or are writing a real review.
Sometimes there is too much interference from people who haven't met the girls in a professional session.
Just my 2 cents.

WAY

 

[AmberRose]

As a side note, almost all agencies encourage the girls to lie about their weight and age, so this is hardly an indy issue.

As a second side note, if you walk in, and the SP looks nothing like their photos, and you know you won't enjoy yourself, it's up to you to remove yourself from that situation.
If you stick through it and then whine about it, take responsibility for the fact that you didn't leave.

 

[smuler]

The purpose of Merb was (and I specify it in the past because I am not sure it's still the case) for hobbysts to share reviews of girls to avoid being scammed and to make the hobby better for the clients. There is too much shilling. We can't even trust reviews. People need to be able to speak up their thoughts to make this hobby better.

I agree 100 % ,especially lately

Best Regards
Smuler

 

[UncleBob]

I'll just use an example that happened to me. There is a famous indy who posted ads on Merb that I won't name. ...

May I ask Birds, why you did not leave when you saw her (or refuse at the door if it was outcall)?
You said "she was disgusting" but still payed the 300 and F*** her?
You don't seem the kind of guy that would feel sorry for a girl not to accept her at the door because of her look that does not fit your expectation...
Unless you are a sensitive man when in one on one meeting but you're the opposite on a forum ?

 

[UncleBob]

As a side note, almost all agencies encourage the girls to lie about their weight and age, so this is hardly an indy issue.

Agencies lie about girls weight because >125/130 Lbs does not sell well. It is a marketing strategy. And they know that most of men do not like Fatties.

Indies, that are not specifically into "Fat girl Lovers clients", knows that too.

Clients knows that too and even if personnaly I like 130lbs girls with proportional and firm bodies, I always fear that a girl that is advertised at 130 is in fact 150+... (I'm not into fatties at all by the way )
I recall this girl from Goodgirls agency, Shelly, she was advertised at 127 lbs. Mike told us in her thread after she retired that she was actually 168 lol.
I did book her, she was tall, gorgeaous and proportional.
Would have had booked her at 168? NEVER!

 

[UncleBob]

The purpose of Merb was (and I specify it in the past because I am not sure it's still the case) for hobbysts to share reviews of girls to avoid being scammed and to make the hobby better for the clients. Merb wasn't created for white knights to defend the feelings of overweight women. It was made for the clients...
...A lot of people think like me but I might be the first to say it openly....

Agree. And I must admit that I find you brought many valid points in your 2 posts.
But since we're not just a bunch of pals in a pub having a beer, we must write here, I think, in this now big community, with a minimum of courtesy.

 

[cloudsurf]

I'll just use an example that happened to me. There is a famous indy who posted ads on Merb that I won't name. I am not sure if she still has ads. She demands over 300$. Her picture shows a nice body with huge tits. It's not really skinny, but not really fat either. So I checked the reviews on Merb : a bunch of positive reviews. So I meet her. I could not believe it. She was like 5 feet 11, 200 pounds. It was horrible! Afterwards, I felt like I just fucked a man. I am still not sure to this day. She was disgusting. Yet the reviews on Merb praised her and didn't mention her real appearance. You see, that's the problem here. There is too much shilling. We can't even trust reviews. People need to be able to speak up their thoughts to make this hobby better.

Show us proof....otherwise why should we believe a hypothetical story
If she is reviewed then you can post a link to her review thread or post your own review of her
BTW for those of us who never fucked a man....how does that realy realy feel.

Lastly I`m not being a white knight here since I`m not protecting any one woman.....but I do detest it when women are insulted, disrespected and body shamed for no obvious reason. I must say though the ladies on this thread are showing great class and self restraint.

 

[tiannas]

Agree. And I must admit that I find you brought many valid points in your 2 posts.
But since we're not just a bunch of pals in a pub having a beer, we must write here, I think, in this now big community, with a minimum of courtesy.

Bravo!

This is a community, and a pretty amazing one at that. Courtesy and decency can easily co-exist with honest and helpful reviews.

 

[AmberRose]

Agencies lie about girls weight because >125/130 Lbs does not sell well. It is a marketing strategy. And they know that most of men do not like Fatties.

See my earlier post about working for an agency and how you are incorrect.

You guys still are blinded by what you see as attractive to you, but that doesn't make it a fact for everyone.
(who do you think has a better insight on that topic: you, or myself, a fatty who worked for an agency?)

 

[anon_vlad]

I have found that the description of independants who have their own websites is usually accurate. Backpage, annonces123, annonceintime independants are to be avoided unless credibly reviewed. I think I have discovered the code for agency SPs.

Listed at 18-20 usually 18 - 23.
20-22 -> 20 - 24
23 - 27 -> Add 5 years
28 - 37 -> Add 10 years

Less than 5'3": exaggerated by 3"
5' 3" - 5' 6" : height is accurate or slightly exaggerated
5' 8" + -> height underestimated

Weight: Under 124: often 10 - 15 pounds more, but flat stomach so no complaints from someone (me) who prefers slim women
125 + -> At least 25 pounds more (unless the lady is exceptionally tall)

If there is no full-on picture of the woman's waist, almost always lots of abdominal fat.

I accept and rejoice in others having different conceptions of the ideal female body. However, I am annoyed when I am misled.

 

[UncleBob]

See my earlier post about working for an agency and how you are incorrect.

You guys still are blinded by what you see as attractive to you, but that doesn't make it a fact for everyone.
(who do you think has a better insight on that topic: you, or myself, a fatty who worked for an agency?)

How many BBW were working for agencies at the same time you did?
1 BBW out of 100 Slim girls available will obviously have a lot of calls.
We all agree there is a market for BBW. There are BBW lover out there. No arguing about that.
But I do believe the BBW Lover are minority.

 

[samclemens]

Two points.
1) To Bird. If you show up to see a young lady and she isn't what was advertised... just walk away. If you're not satisfied with what you see and you still pay for a visit, then the fool in the equation is you.
2) To AR: If you're a "fatty," then you're one "fatty" I can't wait to spend time with on my upcoming trip to Montreal!
OK, there's a No. 3) To AR: based on your photos: curvy, voluptuous, thick ... but, not fat.

 

[jalimon]

Two points.
1) To Bird. If you show up to see a young lady and she isn't what was advertised... just walk away. If you're not satisfied with what you see and you still pay for a visit, then the fool in the equation is you.
2) To AR: If you're a "fatty," then you're one "fatty" I can't wait to spend time with on my upcoming trip to Montreal!
OK, there's a No. 3) To AR: based on your photos: curvy, voluptuous, thick ... but, not fat.

1) That's what Bird was tring to point out (badly), that we should not have to do that in the first place. If the ads were correct, that would not happen. But if you only rely on the humpshit, AI or BP site, you end up with crap... The industry is hot so it attracts a lot of poachers...

2 and 3) agreee with you 100% Anyhow all girl from indy companion I have seen, they were ALL wonderful! I love you girls!!!

 

[hungry101]

Bird - it's time to write a review.

 

[Aellyn Rose]

I'm sorry to see you've been disappointed. At whatever price point it is that you play, that must be frustrating.
I'm hoping going forward you can find reviews on here on or TER that describe accurately a lady you've been curious to meet, so you don't go in blind...
Better luck next time!

Is it me or the indie scene is getting worse and worse? It's literally just fat women these days. It's sickening. Even if they don't look fat in their pictures, they probably are. They are almost always fat. And there are a lot of fake pictures of totally different girls or pictures that were taken years ago when the girl was actually in shape. They lie about their weight all the time. Also, there is this idea, perpetuated by feminists, that fat women are "sexy". Women constantly praise fat women about how great and sexy they look and this is what real women look like, etc... Now it seems escorts believe this too because I see a lot of ads of fat escorts claiming they have amazing bodies in their description. They are convinced that their overweight body is sexy. Also, 90% of the "big ass" ads are just fat women. Slim and athletic bodies seem to be endangered species.

It just pisses me off when I meet a "110" or "120" pound woman who actually have a bigger gut than me. The last girl I met claimed she was "110" but she was like 150 with fat all over her body and especially her gut. And the worse is that these girls tend to demand outrageous prices. Like 180, 200, or even 300. They make sure you agree to their outrageous price before you meet them, while lying about their appearance. They charge the prices of hot girls while not being hot. It's like indie girls all lie now. There was a time when I would meet escorts and the girl looked like she looked like the picture. But now it's almost guaranteed she looks nothing like the picture and weigh much more. Even the ads that contain words such as "real pictures!" actually use fake pictures. This happened to me a few times. Is escorting a scam industry or what? How about offering an honest service?

I am at a point where I look at the ads, only see a bunch of fatties and fake pictures and I am like : "I guess I will keep my money for something else." This is making me lose interest in the hobby. Is it that hard to be in shape for a job that has your physical appearance as the main requirement? I mean, why am I the one in better physical shape when I am the one paying? Finding a girl in shape over 25 years old is almost impossible.

 

[EagerBeaver]

But if you only rely on the humpshit, AI or BP site, you end up with crap... The industry is hot so it attracts a lot of poachers...

In the last 6-10 months, there has been a large number of "outraged" posts about the B&S on these websites, which even infiltrated LionHeart's bait and switch sticky thread, which was really intended to warn about agencies and not these obviously very high risk websites (I actually asked the Mods to create a separate B&S thread for all that bullshit and keep it separate from the agency nonsense). I am deeply amused by these comical posts and have laughed at more than a few, because the authors are in most cases total fools who are relying on photos that a 10 second reverse image search through Tineye or Google would have revealed to be fakes. None of that is being done. Simply and bluntly put, they are dummies or lazy researchers, or both, and dummies and lazy people are supposed to be parted from their money. That's the way it works. This is a live and learn business, and only with experience do you develop a nose for scams and bullshit. The younger, less experienced guys don't accept that sometimes you get hosed, and you learn from the experience and move on. Instead, they create disproportionate outrage on the board over what in reality was a mistake they had great accountability in making, and in many cases what they are not telling the rest of the board is that the outrage is as much due to the fact that they cannot afford to make mistakes (no money) as the fact of having made one. They do not want to become wise through years and years of experience and hard lessons learned at times, they want to fast forward through all of that and obtain instant gratification, because that is all they have time or money for. But when you swim with sharks, you get bitten, and this is what a BP hobbyst signs up for.

None of Birds' posts reveal any particular details on what reviews he relied on, what research he performed, or whether he was pursuing indies on those crap, low end boards. Absent such details, I assume he did jackshit, and bears huge accountability for his ripoff, because in most cases a guy who desired a 105 pound waif but ended up with a 210 pound heifer didn't do what he needed to do to end up reducing the risk of such disappointment. It's sort of the legal doctrine of res ipsa loquitur applied to hobbying. What that means is these kinds of fuckups don't happen without negligence on the part of the party making the transaction.

 

[arthur_vandelay]

I must say though the ladies on this thread are showing great class and self restraint.

I'm a little surprised none of the girls has gone on a rant about how fat their clients are lol.

 

[Splotch]

I'm a little surprised none of the girls has gone on a rant about how fat their clients are lol.

Haha, they probably should start a thread with this very topic!
Or their own message board, MERRB, Montreal Escort Reviewer Review Board!

 

[UncleBob]

I'm a little surprised none of the girls has gone on a rant about how fat their clients are lol.

I'm not surprised cause we, fat clients, put the bread on their table... We bring them the $$$.

 

[arthur_vandelay]

I'm not surprised cause we, fat clients, put the bread on their table... We bring them the $$$.

There have been a few girls here who would have took the bait (Mitsou?) but that was not a good survival strategy.