You must be referring to his play in the top of the 9th inning with two outs. Loved it!!!!!!!!!! :thumb:
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You must be referring to his play in the top of the 9th inning with two outs. Loved it!!!!!!!!!! :thumb:
LOL!!!!!! Will we see a Yankees September collapse similar to the Red Sox collapse of 2011???
Of course, the Yankees began collapsing in August, so it can't be exactly like last year. You're right, there's a whole lot of traffic in the rearview mirror, especially two cars with Florida and Maryland license plates! lol
You been reading iggy's fan blogs, Doc? When was the last time Papi said he wanted to finish his career in Boston? How about yesterday.
You reading iggy's fan blogs again, Doc? If you'd been paying attention, you'd know that the Yankess are desperate to get under the luxury tax threshold in the next year or two. Under the new CBA, the penalty for exceeding it gets bigger every year, but if you go under once, it re-sets. The Yankees can't sign Swisher this year, or Granderson next year if A) they want to accomplish that goal and B) they want to re-sign Cano.
Yes, Doc, you and I are each entitle to our own opinions. You are not, however, entitled to your own facts.
What was he supposed to say? That he wanted out of Boston a.s.a.p.?? Then he would have started getting the death threats again & be booed mercifully by the GREAT Red Sox fans.
All i'll say is that the Yankees will find a way to re-sign Swish & Cano. I don't know about Granderson, though. Good power numbers, but his batting average has taken a dip. Considering how powerful that lineup is, he's replaceable.
p.s. I'm not saying that they might not re-sign Granderson. It very likely could happen. The Yankees always find a way to do things. They're the NY Yankees, after all.
Unfortunately, Doc, the Yankees cannot create their own CBA. If they intend to do as they say, which is get under the luxury tax level, the money just won't be there for Swisher and Granderson. They obviously have to sign Cano and they can afford to if they let the other two go.
If they don't get under the CBA cap soon, they won't be able to until after A-Rod's contract expires in 2017.
As for how powerful the lineup is, I dunno. They're currently third in the league in runs scored, behind Boston and Texas. They're certain to catch the Sox now, but down the road. Teix is declining yearly and showing fragility. A-Rod the same. Swish and Granderson will be gone. They will get Gardner back next year, and they have a ton of catching on the farm to replace Martin, the NDG boy who sorely needs replacing. Williams will likely replace Granderson in 2014 if he's ready.
If that's true, then why only one championship in the 11 years of this century despite spending over $2 billion in payroll.
Or maybe you're talking about last night. Go Jays.
Hey Boys,
Isn't it illuminating how one fan has totally forgotten the existence of his own team. Understandable since in one of the most disappointing and troubled years in Red Sox history, Toronto has been worst. That speaks volumes about why Doc has taken his obsession elsewhere for three years now, and why his buddy carpetbagged out of there long ago.
With the overall histories of these players I wouldn't bet on them being set, and if so I wouldn't bet on them being able to out duel some other rotations in the playoffs. Still, I wouldn't go out and sign just "the best available". That criteria was the rationale behind signing Lackey who seemed to be the best available in a year where there were few real good choices. We know where that signing philosophy has gotten us.
The Red Sox need to have the guts to get away from the best available idea and sign people who can be reasonably expected to perform well and in Boston. According to the prognostication I heard at the time Lackey was a compromise on the quality the team needed in most accounts. His ERA in Fenway had been 5.75, and low and behold his average ERA is 5.26 with the Sox including an embarrassing 6.41 last year. There were also some reports of the possibility of Tommy John surgery, which has now happened to 3 of 5 of the major signings by Epstein since 2007.
The goal of signing to compete in the playoffs every year has now lead to failure to get there for three years, and until the great surprise deal recently the Red Sox looked like they had hamstrung themselves with a very inflexible salary handicap burden for 3-4 or more years. The recent mega deal has changed that prospect and the Sox should be more cautious about jumping back into flashy signings, most of which are gone or going without being nearly as productive as proposed, while the proven productive players like Martinez and Beltre were let go. Yes, the latter two because of high contract demands and maybe the age factor for one, but no higher a price than those who were singed.
Still I am having a good laugh at those who keep insisting the future is bleak for the Sox. The mega deal has shaken them out of their...the Sox aren't going anywhere for a long time complacency...and now all they can do is desperately preach doom. They should look in the direction of southern Ontario and see what DOOM really looks like. If not for a huge Soriano failure with two out last night the Jays would be 5 games behind the same Sox one prodigal Toronto fan needs to keep bashing to find any chance to take condolences. :lol: :thumb:
Cheers,
Merlot
Isn't it illuminating how one fan has totally forgotten the existence of his own team. Understandable since in one of the most disappointing and troubled years in Red Sox history, Toronto has been worst. That speaks volumes about why Doc has taken his obsession elsewhere for three years now, and why his buddy carpetbagged out of there long ago.
With the overall histories of these players I wouldn't bet on them being set, and if so I wouldn't bet on them being able to out duel some other rotations in the playoffs. Still, I wouldn't go out and sign just "the best available". That criteria was the rationale behind signing Lackey who seemed to be the best available in a year where there were few real good choices. We know where that signing philosophy has gotten us.
The Red Sox need to have the guts to get away from the best available idea and sign people who can be reasonably expected to perform well and in Boston. According to the prognostication I heard at the time Lackey was a compromise on the quality the team needed in most accounts. His ERA in Fenway had been 5.75, and low and behold his average ERA is 5.26 with the Sox including an embarrassing 6.41 last year. There were also some reports of the possibility of Tommy John surgery, which has now happened to 3 of 5 of the major signings by Epstein since 2007.
The goal of signing to compete in the playoffs every year has now lead to failure to get there for three years, and until the great surprise deal recently the Red Sox looked like they had hamstrung themselves with a very inflexible salary handicap burden for 3-4 or more years. The recent mega deal has changed that prospect and the Sox should be more cautious about jumping back into flashy signings, most of which are gone or going without being nearly as productive as proposed, while the proven productive players like Martinez and Beltre were let go. Yes, the latter two because of high contract demands and maybe the age factor for one, but no higher a price than those who were singed.
Still I am having a good laugh at those who keep insisting the future is bleak for the Sox. The mega deal has shaken them out of their...the Sox aren't going anywhere for a long time complacency...and now all they can do is desperately preach doom. They should look in the direction of southern Ontario and see what DOOM really looks like. If not for a huge Soriano failure with two out last night the Jays would be 5 games behind the same Sox one prodigal Toronto fan needs to keep bashing to find any chance to take condolences. :lol: :thumb:
Cheers,
Merlot
Funny, how all of a sudden I'm a bigger Jays fan than Doc, at least for the next 10 days or so.
Yes, but that's on the road against some very heavy hitting Sox clubs. Lackey was always a solid starter in LA and will be again for the Sox. And, considering the ML minimum option the Sox hold for 2015, he might even be cheap.
The next few weeks could be verrrrry interesting. If the Yankees, Rays, Orioles, Athletics, and Tigers all continue to play the same caliber ball they've played since the All Star break, the Orioles will win the AL East, with the Rays and Athletics the wild cards. I'm afraid that I'm going to have to root for the Rays and Orioles when they play the Sox over the next month.
Ta F we would be.
I have friends that are red sox fans and also plenty that are habs fans, and for that matter in football that are Giants fans (Dallas fan here) and we go back and forth quite a bit about our teams but at the end of the day we dont let it effect our friendship, and those that do are not comfortable in their own skin. Lets just say if all the sudden Rumpie were to become a Yanks fan, i am 101% positive that we would not be going on bike rides together, nor touring germany's finest whore houses together, sharing a shawrama or getting breakfast at L'Avenue. And this song would not be in either of our playlists, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpTDAow4XU8 :lol::lol::lol:
Now, to baseball. The problem with the red sox going forward, and to getting back to being contenders is they are left with many needs, mainly the hardest one to get, starting pitching, ELITE starting pitching. Buckholz when healthy is a decent fringe 2 but lets be real, he is a very good #3. Lester has fallen off so much that he was a #1 but now looks no better than Buckholz, again, lets be real sox fans. I did not include Kuroda as being available because I hope he comes back to the Bronx, but with money now, I could see boston throwing 15mil a year at him for 2 years, then you have your #1 guy, (compared to what you have now) but at 39 is that such a good thing? He is a great #2 but could he handle the pressure of being a #1 in boston?
Doc's right about the 'prospects" they got.... they have proven nothing yet and if you think they will jump into the rotation and be the saviors next season, well i think your wishful thinking. There are no top end starters available as free agents this offseason, (see Kuroda above) some quality but zero #1 guys. Ortiz is a ?'in mark as to if he comes back and how long he will be effective. Who will replace Adrian G? He was the best player you had and replacing him will be as difficult as getting an elite starting pitcher. (dream on rumpie, Swisher wont be a red sox and if by some miracle he does, is he as good as Adrian G?) 2 years, maybe 3 before the red sox are contenders again if some of their draft picks come through and sign some quality free agents. But, with the 2nd wild card added this year, there is always hope red sox fans.
I have friends that are red sox fans and also plenty that are habs fans, and for that matter in football that are Giants fans (Dallas fan here) and we go back and forth quite a bit about our teams but at the end of the day we dont let it effect our friendship, and those that do are not comfortable in their own skin.
Lets just say if all the sudden Rumpie were to become a Yanks fan, i am 101% positive that we would not be going on bike rides together, nor touring germany's finest whore houses together, sharing a shawrama or getting breakfast at L'Avenue. And this song would not be in either of our playlists, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpTDAow4XU8 :lol::lol::lol:Now, to baseball. The problem with the red sox going forward, and to getting back to being contenders is they are left with many needs, mainly the hardest one to get, starting pitching, ELITE starting pitching. Buckholz when healthy is a decent fringe 2 but lets be real, he is a very good #3. Lester has fallen off so much that he was a #1 but now looks no better than Buckholz, again, lets be real sox fans. I did not include Kuroda as being available because I hope he comes back to the Bronx, but with money now, I could see boston throwing 15mil a year at him for 2 years, then you have your #1 guy, (compared to what you have now) but at 39 is that such a good thing? He is a great #2 but could he handle the pressure of being a #1 in boston?
Doc's right about the 'prospects" they got.... they have proven nothing yet and if you think they will jump into the rotation and be the saviors next season, well i think your wishful thinking. There are no top end starters available as free agents this offseason, (see Kuroda above) some quality but zero #1 guys. Ortiz is a ?'in mark as to if he comes back and how long he will be effective. Who will replace Adrian G? He was the best player you had and replacing him will be as difficult as getting an elite starting pitcher. (dream on rumpie, Swisher wont be a red sox and if by some miracle he does, is he as good as Adrian G?) 2 years, maybe 3 before the red sox are contenders again if some of their draft picks come through and sign some quality free agents. But, with the 2nd wild card added this year, there is always hope red sox fans.
LOL!!!! The truth is, i'm not a die-hard Jays fan as much as i'm a die-hard Expos fan. I will never stop being an Expos fan. I have their emblem tatooed to my chest!
p.s. I admit it: the Jays suck! However, they suck mostly because they've had devastating injuries to nearly their entire pitching staff this season & key players such as Bautista, Arencibia & Lawrie, among several others. However, injuries are part of baseball and all teams have had their share of injuries.
There was a story week or so showing just how much each team had lost to injury. I don't know where the Jays fit in. The Yankees were about average with about 15% of their payroll spent on the DL. The Sox were first at an astonishing 40%. The Padres were second with around 30%.
The only starter the Jays didn't lose to long-term injury is Ricky Romero & he's stunk the joint all season long. Makes me wonder if he's not pitching injured. Jays lost their closer at the start of the season, but Casey Jansen has done the job very well. Other relief pitchers went down to long-term injury, including Jason Fraser & others.
The injuries to Bautista, Arencibia & Lawrie have been devastating. Adam Lind has also missed some time due to injury. At least Edwin Encarnacion has remained healthy for the most part of the season. Top prospect Travis D'Arnaud was also lost for the season. He would have got the call-up once Arencibia was injured, but wasn't so lucky himself.
Just heard on Sportsnet that Bautista will undergo season-ending wrist surgery to repair a tendon he hurt in a game against the Yankees last month. I'm surprised no one's mentionned this, but i'm almost certain that the homerun derby didn't help his cause.
On another note, Mark Texeira will miss up to 2 weeks with a calf injury.
Injuries do take their toll. I thought the Jays were a .500 or little better team this year, but the injuries have certainly derailed them.
And they're clearly taking their toll on the Yankees. While the injuries haven't been quite as widespread as those suffered by the Sox or Jays, the Yankees hold on a playoff spot is now far from guaranteed. The Yankees are 17-20 over the last six weeks. If they're 16-18 over the last six weeks of the season, they'll be watching just like the Sox and Jays. Wouldn't it be something if the Orioles (23-13 over the same stretch) took the division? How about Oakland and Baltimore in the ALCS?
Red Sox manager Valentine against September call-up system when rosters expand
Bobby Valentine is in favour of big changes to baseball’s system for September call-ups, and he’s calling for revisions.
The Boston Red Sox manager said Friday that “I totally dislike it.” He questioned the rules for the season’s final month, when teams can expand their rosters to up to 40 players by promoting minor leaguers to either help in a pennant race or for evaluation toward the next season.
“This concept is a very old concept of expanding the roster and it should be revised, of course,” Valentine said.
It’s a time when some clubs carry far more players than others, with the only requirement for bringing someone up being that he’s on the 40-man roster.
“You play the entire season to build a competitive advantage between your team and the competition and then it’s thrown out the window in the last month of the season,” Valentine said.
When asked whether one better option might be keeping rosters at 25 players but being allowed to change those 25 each day, Valentine didn’t see much of a difference.
“Taxi squad or rotating roster would be a very similar situation,” he said. “You could have five left-handed pitchers and always have three of them available. I don’t think it’s the right thing to do. I’ve always been a proponent of April expanded rosters so that you get to see guys in April play underneath the lights and pick a real team — and when you pick a real team you go to battle with that team through the post-season.”
Boston plans to add lefty Rich Hill as he attempts to return from Tommy John reconstructive elbow ligament surgery last year. He made 17 relief appearances this season before going back on the disabled list June 10 with a strained flexor muscle in the troublesome elbow. Hill is 1-0 with a 2.63 ERA over 13 2-3 innings.
Valentine isn’t even convinced players can show that much in brief stints in the big leagues late in the year, or even in spring training for that matter.
“It depends on who’s evaluating and how you’re evaluating. If you’re evaluating on numbers, then it’s very hard,” he said. “If there’s people out there in the stands or in uniform who know a ballplayer from a ballplayer, it’s not so hard. I don’t think it’s proper to just reward people in September or spring training just on results. I think that’s that old baseball adage that you can be fooled in September and spring training. It could be. It’s not like they shorten the bases, raise the mound, turn off the lights.”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...up-system-when-rosters-expand/article4513848/
Bobby Valentine is in favour of big changes to baseball’s system for September call-ups, and he’s calling for revisions.
The Boston Red Sox manager said Friday that “I totally dislike it.” He questioned the rules for the season’s final month, when teams can expand their rosters to up to 40 players by promoting minor leaguers to either help in a pennant race or for evaluation toward the next season.
“This concept is a very old concept of expanding the roster and it should be revised, of course,” Valentine said.
It’s a time when some clubs carry far more players than others, with the only requirement for bringing someone up being that he’s on the 40-man roster.
“You play the entire season to build a competitive advantage between your team and the competition and then it’s thrown out the window in the last month of the season,” Valentine said.
When asked whether one better option might be keeping rosters at 25 players but being allowed to change those 25 each day, Valentine didn’t see much of a difference.
“Taxi squad or rotating roster would be a very similar situation,” he said. “You could have five left-handed pitchers and always have three of them available. I don’t think it’s the right thing to do. I’ve always been a proponent of April expanded rosters so that you get to see guys in April play underneath the lights and pick a real team — and when you pick a real team you go to battle with that team through the post-season.”
Boston plans to add lefty Rich Hill as he attempts to return from Tommy John reconstructive elbow ligament surgery last year. He made 17 relief appearances this season before going back on the disabled list June 10 with a strained flexor muscle in the troublesome elbow. Hill is 1-0 with a 2.63 ERA over 13 2-3 innings.
Valentine isn’t even convinced players can show that much in brief stints in the big leagues late in the year, or even in spring training for that matter.
“It depends on who’s evaluating and how you’re evaluating. If you’re evaluating on numbers, then it’s very hard,” he said. “If there’s people out there in the stands or in uniform who know a ballplayer from a ballplayer, it’s not so hard. I don’t think it’s proper to just reward people in September or spring training just on results. I think that’s that old baseball adage that you can be fooled in September and spring training. It could be. It’s not like they shorten the bases, raise the mound, turn off the lights.”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...up-system-when-rosters-expand/article4513848/
Holy crap!! I just got in and decided to check out the late scores........
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320831111
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320831111
Yankees lose again; lead shrunk to one game
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- James Shields pitched eight strong innings to outlast CC Sabathia and light-hitting Chris Gimenez drove in two runs Monday, helping the Tampa Bay Rays beat the New York Yankees 4-3 and further tighten the AL East race.
The Yankees, who led by 10 games earlier this season, had their lead cut to one game over Baltimore, which beat Toronto 4-0. The Rays moved within 2 1-2 games of New York.
Shields (13-8) and the Rays ruined the return of Alex Rodriguez. The slugger went 1 for 4 with a strikeout in his first game after being sidelined six weeks with a broken left hand.
Gimenez snapped a 3-all tie in the eighth with a two-out grounder that just made it to the outfield for a single off David Robertson (1-5).
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- James Shields pitched eight strong innings to outlast CC Sabathia and light-hitting Chris Gimenez drove in two runs Monday, helping the Tampa Bay Rays beat the New York Yankees 4-3 and further tighten the AL East race.
The Yankees, who led by 10 games earlier this season, had their lead cut to one game over Baltimore, which beat Toronto 4-0. The Rays moved within 2 1-2 games of New York.
Shields (13-8) and the Rays ruined the return of Alex Rodriguez. The slugger went 1 for 4 with a strikeout in his first game after being sidelined six weeks with a broken left hand.
Gimenez snapped a 3-all tie in the eighth with a two-out grounder that just made it to the outfield for a single off David Robertson (1-5).
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