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Who'da thunk three weeks ago that they Yankees would be in worse shape than the Red Sox? Given that the Yankees are less than even money to make the playoffs, would you rather:

a) be the Yankees, who suck, and are saddled with three albatross contracts of almost $70 M per year for the next three years.
b) be the Red Sox, who suck, but have tons of money to spend and are free from the chains of contracts that would constrain them for several years.

by John Heyman
The Yankees, who long ago wrapped up the A.L. East (or so they thought), now stand in a first-place tie with the Baltimore Orioles, who haven't even had a winning season since Davey Johnson left town a century ago (or so it seems).

Yankees officials, predictably, aren't taking this well. Tightly-wound manager Joe Girardi's head looked like it might fly off while losing an argument in another losing game Tuesday night in Tampa Bay. When it was suggested to a Yankees staffer that at least they aren't the sinking Red Sox, that official suggested it'll be no better than that if they don't make it to the playoffs.

According to Elias, the Yankees have become only the third team to blow a 10-game division lead since the six-division format started in 1994. Think about that. It isn't easy.

What's more, they blew that double-digit lead to the Orioles, who are mid-pack in hitting and pitching and being guided in one of the great managing jobs of all time by Buck Showalter, the ex-Yankee manager -- let go 17 years ago by New York -- who'll never admit exactly how much he's enjoying this. Also right there are the perennially pesky Tampa Bay Rays, who are only one game back, have Evan Longoria back and have better pitching than anyone else in the division that not so long ago was the best in baseball.

The terrific jobs being done by Showalter and new Orioles GM Dan Duquette, who both first established themselves with the big powers of the A.L. East two decades ago (Duquette with the Red Sox), are a couple reasons such seemingly disparate teams are currently in the most shocking dead heat in baseball history.

Besides the magic of Showalter (and also Rays manager Joe Maddon), many of the other Yankees' issues are much closer to home for baseball's most storied franchise and highest-paid team. Showalter and Maddon surely aren't the main causes of the Yankees going 19-25 since taking that 10-game lead on July 18.

Here are a few more:

-- The Yankees are not young. The Yankees' position player average is 32.7 years, which is the oldest in franchise history (and it's an old franchise). In fact, the last team with position players that old was the 2007 Giants, who went 71-91. One scout told Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com, pinpointing what may be the Yankees' biggest issue, “Old. Very old. And I'm old, so I can identify with them.''

-- They are not very lucky with injuries (which may go along with being old). Alex Rodriguez, who used to play every game of every season, isn't a very quick healer these days, and the team isn't the same without him (A-Rod's .800 OPS would mark a career low, but the Yankees are 21-21 without A-Rod, Richard Justice of MLB.com pointed out). Andy Pettitte's return is going so slow it can't be counted on to occur this year (his old buddy Roger Clemens may be more likely to make a big-league appearance this year). And even the seemingly perfect Mariano Rivera couldn't perform a miracle to return this year.

-- They are slow. The Yankees' leader in steals is none other than A-Rod with 11, as Joel Sherman pointed out in the New York Post Wednesday. And A-Rod is old (37) and built nothing like the player who came up with the Mariners about a million years ago (or so it seems). Plus, Raul Ibanez leads the team in triples with three, and he's older than A-Rod (40) and slower than A-Rod, as well. They of course miss Brett Gardner (another injury casualty) and Eduardo Nunez (an underperformance casualty who only returned recently from the minors). Perhaps by design as they rely on the home-run ball, Derek Jeter, Curtis Granderson and Ichiro Suzuki aren't big steal threats this year, either.

-- They are too dependent on dingers. According to Elias, the Yankees have scored the highest percentage of their runs on home runs (49.5 percent, 318 of 642 runs) in the majors. The Giants, incidentally, are the least homer dependent, with only 23.7 percent of their runs coming via the homer.

-- Girardi isn't having his best stretch ever. He's never a barrel of laughs, but lately he seems tight. He started to lose it a bit when asked a routine strategy question the other day about why he let a struggling Phil Hughes pitch to Mark Reynolds again after Reynolds had homered earlier in the game against him. Girardi's answer, about how he would have had to use several more relievers had he used one there, didn't sound like a very good one. Which might be why he didn't like answering.

-- Ichiro is little more than a big name now. Some Yankees people were stunned they could get Ichiro for next to nothing. But as it turns out, he's not worth much more than that. His batting average is a bit better in New York (.273 to .261 in Seattle) and his OPS is a bit better, too (.701 to .642 in Seattle), but since his two-homer game against the Red Sox in New York Aug. 19 he's done almost nothing. Meanwhile, his rep as something less than a good-luck charm is gaining steam, with the Yankees 19-21 since acquiring Ichiro and the formerly down-on-their-luck Mariners 24-16 over that stretch. Although he's played at teams that are over .500 combined, Ichiro has managed to play in the second most losses in the American League; he has played in 75 defeats to 76 for the Twins' Joe Mauer.

-- Robinson Cano isn't having a season to match his numbers. Some Yankees people are questioning whether he's the $200-million player he sees himself as after a season that isn't exactly filled with clutch hits. His overall numbers appear very Cano-like (.303, 29 HRs, 73 RBI) but with runners in scoring position, it's a different story. He is hitting .236 with RISP and his OPS, .913 overall, is only .737 w/ RISP. One scout said he doesn't look completely like himself lately, but Cano says he didn't hurt his hip until letting a grounder get past him for the game-winning hit Monday night (and he still played Tuesday). The upshot: he'll probably get that money, but he isn't having the big moments to justify it so far this year.

-- Their overall hitting isn't what you'd think. They have now had five straight games with six hits or fewer (the club record is seven such games, done in 1970).

-- CC Sabathia hasn't been quite the ace he's been in the past. He's had two stays on the disabled list for elbow trouble, and while he says he's fine now, one scout said a lack of the usual sharpness on his breaking balls suggests Sabathia may not be completely confident in the pitch. His stats (13-4, 3.42), 1.20 WHIP) are in line with his typical season but Yankees people also have detected a bit of a dropoff.

-- Some of their other pitchers are having off years, too. Freddy Garcia “is a No. 5 starter and a non contender,'' one scout said. David Robertson isn't quite the dynamo he was the last two years. And Ivan Nova struggled before going on the DL.

One scout, neatly summed up the Yankees' problems: “Their pitching is mediocre, they don't do the little things to win … and the injuries haven't helped.''

It's a triple play, and not the good kind.
 

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Very good analysis by Jon Heyman. I'm surprised there was no mention of starting catcher Russell Martin and his .199 batting average.

Is Martin on the last year of his contract? :confused:
 

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Think so but maybe one more, but i think he got a one yr deal w/o looking it up. What Russell lacks with the bat this season, although he does have dbl didgit hr totals, he has more than made up for as being a great all around defensive catcher.... great at blocking balls and a accurate gun of an arm. Still, he might have to take a pay cut next year to come back or sign on with another team, likely another one yr deal.

Very good analysis by Jon Heyman. I'm surprised there was no mention of starting catcher Russell Martin and his .199 batting average.

Is Martin on the last year of his contract? :confused:
 

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I heard on YES that if Martin fails to hit .200 this year, he will be the 1st Yankees starter to fail to bat .200 or better since Jerry Kenney batted .193 in 1970. It's very unusual that a guy batting under .200 this far into the season keeps his starting job, but Martin's OBP numbers are better than Chris Stewart's. I would think Martin would/should be able to make a sufficient surge in the last 25 games to get his BA over .200, especially since this is the last year of his contract.

John Flaherty of YES candidly mentioned that he was batting .190 with a few weeks to go in the 1998 season, his 1st as a major league starting catcher with the Devil Rays, as they were then known. Flaherty said he felt tremendous pressure to get his average over .200, and in the last few weeks made some adjustments that were sufficient enough to get him hot enough to surge to .207 at season's end, thus avoiding a finish beneath the dreaded Mendoza line.

I have watched Martin and he has a real problem with curveballs down. Any pitcher that can throw a good hard curveball down and in will eat Martin up. However, on the positive side, he has some power and very good power to the opposite field. He is also solid defensively, although the Yankees like Stewart better defensively. Stewart, however, is a terrible hitter with no power despite his very good size, and his swing is basically awful as he only uses his arms with no lower body and leg action, so he has trouble driving the ball.

The Yankees young catchers Austine Romine and Gary Sanchez are not yet ready so I don't know if the Yankees will sign someone on a 1 year deal next year.
 
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Bobby V says 2012 'miserable'

An impassioned Bobby Valentine on Wednesday called his first season as manager of the Boston Red Sox "miserable" and lashed out when asked if he had "checked out" on the season.

"What an embarrassing thing to say," Valentine said during his weekly interview on Boston sports radio station WEEI when asked by host Glenn Ordway whether he had "checked out."

"If I were there right now, I'd punch you right in the mouth. Ha, ha. How's that sound? Sound like I checked out? What an embarrassing thing."

Valentine also grew upset when informed during the interview that reporters noted he showed up at around 4 p.m. for a 7:10 p.m. PST game Friday against the Athletics in Oakland.
"Why would somebody even, that's stuff that a comic strip person would write," Valentine said. "If someone's here, watching me go out at 2 o'clock in the afternoon, working with the young players, bringing in the right relief pitchers to get a win, putting on a hit and run when it's necessary, talking to the guys after the game in the food room. How could someone in real life say that?"

In explaining his reasoning behind asking the question, Ordway noted seeing reports that Valentine arrived at the park later than usual Friday because he was picking his son up at the airport. That set off the manager.

"I shouldn't have to explain that," Valentine said. "That pisses me off. Because whoever wrote that knew what happened. They knew that my son was coming to see me for the first time this lousy season that I got to see him on the road, and that his flight was late, and that I was waiting at the airport in San Francisco for his flight to come in, and I came in and sent the lineup in and reported to my coaches that I was going to be a little late. For someone to say that I was late is an absolute disgrace to their integrity if they have any.

"I wasn't late. When you call in and say that you're delayed in traffic coming from the San Francisco Airport to the stupid Oakland Coliseum and that there's a traffic jam, then you're not late, no."

In defending himself, Valentine said he thought Tampa Bay Rays manager Joe Maddon showed up at the park regularly at around the time he showed up Friday.

"It's cheap journalism, isn't it?," Valentine said. "Joe Maddon in his Sports Illustrated article said, 'What do you think I'm gonna do go around the clubhouse and sit around in my underwear for a couple hours? I show up at 3:30 or 4 o'clock every day.' Every day. Does that mean he's late every day?"

Maddon reacted with amusement when informed of Valentine's comments Wednesday.

"Sorry I'm late, I just got here," he said to reporters at Tropicana Field upon entering for his pregame media appearance, according to the Tampa Bay Times.

Maddon, who routinely arrives at the park around 2:45 p.m. according to the newspaper, also tweeted: "Apologies to the writers for being late to today's pregame session. My pedicure appointment ran a little late."

Maddon also said that he found the situation "amusing, and somewhat flattering," and said, according to the newspaper, that he gets to the park "in plenty of time."

Valentine's first season in Boston has been trying. The team entered Wednesday 63-74, far out of playoff contention, and could be headed for its worst finish since 1966. Valentine's tenure has been marked by internal discord and issues with communication at various levels internally. He has been given a vote of confidence by ownership that he will finish out the season, though he has not received such an assurance for next season. A source told ESPNBoston.com he will be evaluated at the end of the season.

Despite the disappointing results, the 62-year-old Valentine said he doesn't regret returning to manage in the majors for the first time since 2002.

"Regret returning? No, life is a journey, you guys, you have to understand," he told WEEI. "Everyone thinks that misery is something that people run away from. I think you learn from misery. You learn from challenges, you learn from failures as well as you learn from success. So this is what I chose to do, and I think it's been, you know, miserable, but I think it's also been part of my life's journey."

Valentine said his breakfast meeting with owner John Henry on Monday in Seattle was productive (aside from the food) and insisted he was not worried about whether the team would fire him after the season.

"This is not who I am, this is just what I am," Valentine said. "I am concerned with who I am."

He then was asked flatly whether he wanted to come back next season.

"I want to do whatever I can do to wake up every morning and do the best that I can do at whatever it is that I choose to do," he said.

Would he choose to manage the Sox next season?

"Of course," Valentine said. "If that's what I am asked to do, that's what I'm going to get paid to do."

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story...r-bobby-valentine-calls-2012-season-miserable
 

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What Russell lacks with the bat this season,...he has more than made up for as being a great all around defensive catcher....

:lol:

Now I know what Iggy does for a living...selling WAFFLES. :nod: Change the name Russell to Varitek and it's the same rationale he condemned Sox fans for using. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the popcorn hasn't tasted any sweeter as I watch Yankee fans use everything they said was bull now that they need to cover their own players butts and pass out waffles daily.

The funniest part is the Yanks are only tied for 1st, not behind, and already the excuses are flowing.

Classic, :D

Merlot
 

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Hmmmm, where is the excuse merlot? it is 100% truth, Russell Martin is not hitting but has performed very well defensively, what part of that is not true? Like usual you are trying to make something outta nothing. You are quite on edge bud, not my fault the red sox have been the 146 Million Dollar Embarrassment who currently sit 11 games under .500 on september 6th. Dont take out your frustrations by disputing the truth, well, you can but it only makes you look sillier.

*UPDATE* The red sox just lost, AGAIN, make that 12 games under .500 on this date.

PS. Yanks are in first, again while the red sox are now 14 games out of a playoff spot... that death watch thread seems awfully tempting these days. ;)


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Now I know what Iggy does for a living...selling WAFFLES. :nod: Change the name Russell to Varitek and it's the same rationale he condemned Sox fans for using. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the popcorn hasn't tasted any sweeter as I watch Yankee fans use everything they said was bull now that they need to cover their own players butts and pass out waffles daily.

The funniest part is the Yanks are only tied for 1st, not behind, and already the excuses are flowing.

Classic, :D

Merlot
 

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Now I know what Iggy does for a living...selling WAFFLES. :nod: Change the name Russell to Varitek and it's the same rationale he condemned Sox fans for using. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the popcorn hasn't tasted any sweeter as I watch Yankee fans use everything they said was bull now that they need to cover their own players butts and pass out waffles daily.

The funniest part is the Yanks are only tied for 1st, not behind, and already the excuses are flowing.

Classic, :D

Merlot

Now Merlot, I hate to disagree with you ... but you are doing the captain a terrble injustice by even mentioning him in a statement with that "POS" Martin. First of all Tek never whined like a little girl and threw adolescent temper tantrums when he didn't get playing time. And second of all in Tek's WORSE season his BA was .209 ... he never ended a season under .200 like Martin will this year. Truth is once Martin had to give up the juice:eek:...he sucked:thumb:.
 

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Wow!!! Baltimore has hit 6 homeruns tonight against the mighty Yankees!!!!!! Six!!!!!!!!!!!

The O's just hit 3 consecutive homeruns in the 8th and it's now 10-6 Baltimore.

Derek Lowe has been up 4 times in the bullpen to warm up and now Girardi has finally sent him into the fire. Four times??? Has Girardi totally lost his mind???

Go O's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumb:
 

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Wow!!! Baltimore has hit 6 homeruns tonight against the mighty Yankees!!!!!! Six!!!!!!!!!!!

The O's just hit 3 consecutive homeruns in the 8th and it's now 10-6 Baltimore.

Derek Lowe has been up 4 times in the bullpen to warm up and now Girardi has finally sent him into the fire. Four times??? Has Girardi totally lost his mind???

Go O's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumb:

HOLY CRAP...we have agreed twice In a week!? :confused:
Well there was a blue moon last month...LOL. :D

And in yankee UNIVERSE...suddenly...

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...minus the chirp!
 

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If the Jays hold on and win this game against the red sox tonight, they can single handedly put the red sox in the cellar. Currently it is 5-0 as diceK could not make it out of the 2nd inning, and have brought in their former closer already, Al Aceves.
 

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Hey Boyz,

IN THE NEWS:

There's a big rumor running through the league that the Boston Red Sox are aghast at their record. NOT for what it seems to be, but for a gross error by the league. The point of contention is the 1st inning. To quote President and CEO of the Red Sox, Larry Lucchino: "doesn't everyone know the 1st inning is just for practice. If you take that out and look at it CORRECTLY the team is actually 118-21 with the lowest ERA in history. I think we're a shoe-in to win the Series." Commissioner Bud Selig could not be reached directly for comment, but an assistant reported him as saying: " I've heard that guy (Lucchino) keeps a continuous stock of Elmer's Glue around".

In Breaking News:

The Sox are investigating Dice-K Matsuzaka for fraud. Evidence is mounting he may be a slave labor escapee from a Hello Kitty factory.

[video=youtube;-_kwXNVCaxY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_kwXNVCaxY[/video]

Yeah, I might have put this in the free-for-all if it didn't seem so real.

Many Cheers,

Merlot
 

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Hey Larry, are you talkin bout practice? Practice? really? Your talkin bout Practice? Not the game man, PRACTICE????

[video=youtube;frsId3goYYE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frsId3goYYE[/video]
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Larry Lucchino: "doesn't everyone know the 1st inning is just for practice.
Many Cheers,

Merlot
 

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Congratulations go out to Lucchino, Henry, Epstein(In Theo we trust:D)and Cherington for driving this once proud franchise into the ground, a job very well done I might add.:thumb:

I'm hearing rumors that a turnaround for teams similar to the Red Sox situation if indeed they do get it right could be at least 5 years, good luck waiting, Yikes!!!!:help:
 

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Texeira likely out for season

New York Yankees first baseman Mark Teixeira could be lost for the season after aggravating a leg injury in an ill-fated sprint to first base.

Teixeira returned Saturday night from a 10-day absence with a strained left calf, then hurt himself on the final play of New York's 5-4 loss to Baltimore.

Yankees manager Joe Girardi summed up Teixiera's status Sunday by saying, “No, I don't think he'll be a player for us. I'd be surprised, but we'll just have to wait and see.”

Girardi says Teixeira will have an MRI on Monday.

The injury occurred when Teixeira ran to first base trying to beat out a double-play grounder. He finished the sprint with a headfirst slide.

Girardi said, “I think that's when he really felt it.”
 

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Holy crap! The Jays swept the Red Sox @Fenway!! Final score: 4-3 Jays!!!! :thumb:

I believe that's 8 in a row @Fenway for the Jays!!!!!! Clay Bucholz & Dustin Pedroia played their hearts out, but the rest of the team....yikes!!! :eek:
 

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The Red Sox packed it in for 2012 when they made the Mega-Trade with LA. The front office sent the team and the fans a loud message that they were packing it in, and the message was clearly well received.
 

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Unlike what Mr.T said earlier, i do not believe it will take the red sox 5 years to be good again, but maybe 3. Yanks found their bats today, good to see.
 
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