The Official MERB 2010-2011 NHL Hockey Thread

[lgna69xxx]

Yea, like i pointed out earlier, If Burke inherited a Vinny L, Malone, St. Louis, Hedman, and a Steven Stamkos, he would look like a genius also, AGAIN. Yzerman walked into a dream job, thats why he took the job in the first place. The only real thing he has done was to get a real coach. Simon Gagne has been hurt and hasnt done squat, there using most the same players that were there last season, give credit to Boucher and his coaches more so than steve y, but he deserves a little credit for actually hiring Guy, and that i give him credit for, that was a GREAT move by steve Y.

I see you don't let the facts get in the way when you want to try to say something. Tampa Bay finished tied for 24th last season. Hint: check this season's standings and guess what: there has been an immense improvement. Why? Because TBay has a first-year GM who actually KNOWS what he's doing (unlike some "experienced" GMs with a "plan").

 

[lgna69xxx]

I could see evilthings admitting this, but cairo? well theres still hope, he seems very knowledgeable about all things habs!

Once again, any knowledgeable hockey fan with a brain has to admit that this team's future looks very bright.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Ummmm, last i checked there was a salary cap in the NHL, no???

The years the Leafs SHOULD of been the NHL's Version of the Yankees, they had some nimrods running the team.... and Yes Doc, i am Sooooooooooooooooo glad we do not have mini b aka pierre gauthier running our beloved Leafs.. I would however like the Leafs to give Monika with a K more TV Time!

Can you imagine if/when the Buds finally get it straightened out and become a powerhouse? They could be the NHL version of the Yankees!.

 

[evillethings]

Ummmm, last i checked there was a salary cap in the NHL, no???

The years the Leafs SHOULD of been the NHL's Version of the Yankees, they had some nimrods running the team.... and Yes Doc, i am Sooooooooooooooooo glad we do not have mini b aka pierre gauthier running our beloved Leafs.. I would however like the Leafs to give Monika with a K more TV Time!

Makes me wonder
OK, now I sense you're trying to hate on me lgna69xxx. You must realize saying all Yzerman did was hire a brilliant coach and the horses were already there is a denial that Yzerman picked the guy who was the muse leading to a turnaround. Again, Tocchet + Lawton had pretty much the same roster. GM's also have been known

As for Pierre, I also sense you're hating him too... he's not Media friendly like Burkie - no one is, but his moves have been shrewd + ballsy (moving playoff hero, super human Halak was potentially GM Suicide according to MTL fans+media).

That's My Point
That kinda makes my point no? If Burke were himself, not the Sather-clone we see, and Burke had hired Boucher, I sense you might be here telling me how brilliant Burke was to hire the best coach to maximize the on-ice product and results. Buds still own Kessel, Kaberle, Giggy, Versteeg, Phaneuf, Beauchemin, Schenn. That's a solid core.

Burke is avoiding firing Wilson. Some only seem to focus on Wilson's 97-98 loss in the Finals but he honestly isn't that great when you consider his teams have completely missed the Post-season 50% of the time he's behind the bench (8 out of 16 seasons, heading for 9 missed playoffs out of 17 seasons).

Cap + Yanks
And I understand there's an NHL cap, but my point was the Leafs could be a Dynasty type team - major market, huge fanbase globally, don't think there aren't any side deals negotiated for Buds players (endorsements, etc).

 

[lgna69xxx]

Not hating bro, its all good, lol....endorsement wise, possibly, but then again in a Hockey mad market like Toronto, i am not sure they need to be a powerhouse for players to get big side deals, they may already have them, and once they at least get back to the playoffs, then i am sure more and more offers would come in for the players. I dont have any idea who has endorsement deals now or for how much, maybe the good Dr. might?

Makes me wonder
OK, now I sense you're trying to hate on me lgna69xxx. Cap + Yanks
And I understand there's an NHL cap, but my point was the Leafs could be a Dynasty type team - major market, huge fanbase globally, don't think there aren't any side deals negotiated for Buds players (endorsements, etc).

 

[joelcairo]

JC....well, he's being JC as usual.

Thanks Doc. Compliments are always appreciated and I'm happy to see that you appreciate sincerity and consistency as much as I do.

Best wishes,

JC

 

[joelcairo]

I could see evilthings admitting this, but cairo? well theres still hope, he seems very knowledgeable about all things habs!

Yes, Habs and 29 other teams, which is why I am always able to point out obvious facts such as TBay's tie for 24th last season. If you're going to be a true hockey fan rather than a blind faith worshipper of some random team or - worse yet, some random GM - then it's essential to be "knowlegeable" about all things hockey.

 

[joelcairo]

Stevie Y learned next to great hockey men in Detroit ever since he retired.

Amen. Very simple equation: best ownership plus best management team plus best best GM by far = best organization by far.

 

[lgna69xxx]

No, "cairo". you sugarcoat the facts to your liking, steve Y is smart, i will give you that, he smartly chose the easiest and quickest team to turn around, that also had the most talent waiting for him to work with, that my little hab fanatic, is a FACT

Yes, Habs and 29 other teams, which is why I am always able to point out obvious facts such as TBay's tie for 24th last season. If you're going to be a true hockey fan rather than a blind faith worshipper of some random team or - worse yet, some random GM - then it's essential to be "knowlegeable" about all things hockey.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Stop talking in the past "cairo",. your better than that.. (well, ummm) Seems that most in hockey would believe until someone beats the reigning champs, The Chicago Blackhawks, they are the team with the Best Ownership and Management. Every team goes thru bad ownership and bad management, how many years was it that that team over there in Michigan did not win a cup? 42 or something like that?

Amen. Very simple equation: best ownership plus best management team plus best best GM by far = best organization by far.

 

[joelcairo]

No, "cairo". you sugarcoat the facts to your liking, steve Y is smart, i will give you that, he smartly chose the easiest and quickest team to turn around, that also had the most talent waiting for him to work with, that my little hab fanatic, is a FACT

Ask someone who can read to look up the definitions for the words "fact" and "opinion" for you. A fact is something that can be proven.
For example, it is a fact that the New York Rangers beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 7-0 on Wednesday night. An opinion is what you wrote in the post I quoted here.

 

[joelcairo]

Stop talking in the past "cairo",. your better than that.. (well, ummm) Seems that most in hockey would believe until someone beats the reigning champs, The Chicago Blackhawks, they are the team with the Best Ownership and Management.

This makes even less sense than most of your posts. The fact that Chicago had one very good year to win the Cup does not prove that they have the best ownership and management. Please note that I am NOT knocking Chicago in any way, but you may have noticed that they aren't doing so well this year. Would that mean that ownership and management have suddenly and magically deteriorated in a short few months? Of course not!
In case you haven't noticed, several different teams have won the Cup in recent years (not the Leafs, of course, but several others). Does that mean that "the best ownership and management" changes on a yearly basis? No, you can only judge based on consistency. For example, over the last two decades Detroit has been consistently good (despite winning "only" FOUR Cups in that span). Then again we could look at a team like Toronto...

 

[lgna69xxx]

See, Doc was right, "cairo" being "cairo" sugarcoating "your" facts again as usual...Why didnt steve y take a hard job instead of a creme puff one, then we could see what he is really made of, the FACT is, Brian Burke took on the toughest GM job there was at the time, and that alone buys him some time, unlike the tampa situation. steve y had better turn tampa around within a year seeing as how the talent was already there. Doc was correct about the owners situation as to partly why things turned around so quickly so far, steve y was in the right place at the right time. Again, hiring Boucher was a great move, but the talent was there when steve y arrived in sunny Florida, where as Burke started with little, then gutted the team and had to start over, including the farm system and those are the Facts, jack

Ask someone who can read to look up the definitions for the words "fact" and "opinion" for you . A fact is something that can be proven.
For example, it is a fact that the New York Rangers beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 7-0 on Wednesday night. An opinion is what you wrote in the post I quoted here.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Hello, "cairo"

I dont care what you say, your team is not the best run team in hockey, nor is your gm, pierre gauthier, the best gm in hockey.....

Chicago was horrible for years and it took them awhile to get to the high point of last season, and until they are dethroned, they are #1.

This makes even less sense than most of your posts. The fact that Chicago had one very good year to win the Cup does not prove that they have the best ownership and management. Please note that I am NOT knocking Chicago in any way, but you may have noticed that they aren't doing so well this year. Would that mean that ownership and management have suddenly and magically deteriorated in a short few months? Of course not!

 

[evillethings]

Chicago was horrible for years and it took them awhile to get to the high point of last season, and until they are dethroned, they are #1.

Makes me wonder if the Leafs problem is not in fact ownership related. Afterall Bill Sr. in Chitown was the reason the Hawks franchise floundered for decades due to cheap ownership tactics and alienating key Hawks alumni Stan, Bobby, etc. If that's the case the same can be said about the Rangers. Perhaps MLSE CEO Pettie stepping down this yr will lead to an upswing in the Leafs fortunes!?!?!?

 

[lgna69xxx]

Before Burke i would of said Yes, but they have given the Keys to Burke and since he took over are not interfering. A blast from the past, remember the Harold Ballard years? Oh Vey...

The ONLY problem with the Leafs is that the media and the fairweather fans are not being patient since Burke took over, and part of that was his fault for telling everyone we would compete for a playoff spot immediately, anyways, the real fans are supportive because they are the ones who follow this team inside/out and realise it was a huge project to undertake and frankly, it is gonna take time, but not to go over every detail again, it has all been written in past posts about all the good he has done and i am sure will continue to do. We are not that far off, keep the faith.

Makes me wonder if the Leafs problem is not in fact ownership related

 

[joelcairo]

Hello, "cairo"

I dont care what you say, your team is not the best run team in hockey, nor is your gm, pierre gauthier, the best gm in hockey.....

Chicago was horrible for years and it took them awhile to get to the high point of last season, and until they are dethroned, they are #1.

Correction: Kenny Holland, not Pierre Gauthier, is GM of the Red Wings. You could at least TRY to learn a little about hockey since you insist on writing about it all the time. That way you could save your total ignorance for the football and baseball threads.

And by the way, you could also do with a grammar course. Lord knows nobody expects brilliant writing from you, but you could at least try to learn what capital letters are for.

 

[joelcairo]

The ONLY problem with the Leafs is that the media and the fairweather fans are not being patient since Burke took over, and part of that was his fault for telling everyone we would compete for a playoff spot immediately. We are not that far off, keep the faith.

You have personally predicted great success for the Leafs in each of the past few years, remember? How has that been working out?

And if by "not that far off" you mean being among the cellar dwellers of the league and losing your most recent game 7-0 (!!!), then I congratulate you on keeping the faith...even while your players have abandoned all responsibility and pride. Because a team that can lose 7-0 (!!!) is a team that HAS no pride.

 

[joelcairo]

See, Doc was right, "cairo" being "cairo" sugarcoating "your" facts again as usual...Why didnt steve y take a hard job instead of a creme puff one, then we could see what he is really made of, the FACT is, Brian Burke took on the toughest GM job there was at the time, and that alone buys him some time, unlike the tampa situation. steve y had better turn tampa around within a year seeing as how the talent was already there. Doc was correct about the owners situation as to partly why things turned around so quickly so far, steve y was in the right place at the right time. Again, hiring Boucher was a great move, but the talent was there when steve y arrived in sunny Florida, where as Burke started with little, then gutted the team and had to start over, including the farm system and those are the Facts, jack

If Burkie had taken over the Lightning he probably would have: 1) traded his entire roster for an Invisible Man, and 2) installed his best buddy Ron Wilson as coach. Then maybe we'd be seeing TB losing its games 7-0 and sitting near the basement in the standings. After all, in Toronto Burkie took a 21st place team and turned it into a 29th place team whereas in TBay Stevie took a 24th place team and turned it into a legitimate contender.

 

[lgna69xxx]

least i spelled it correctly... see... "cairo"

And by the way, you could also do with a grammar course. Lord knows nobody expects brilliant writing from you, but you could at least try to learn what capital letters are for.