The Official MERB Baseball Offseason Thread (trades, signings, NO fucktard comments!)
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Yes. Recall that Jeter is single, so he is privileged to fuck as many girls as he wants to. Just like you and me!
I was responding directly to a post made by Merlot about Jeter & Tiger seeing the same girls which he posted in this thread at #180:
Oh, so you didn't hear the report of how Jeter's number is on the same list with Tiger with one of the women now in question in the affair with Woods. So if true, what is Jeter who has a long time girlfriend doing on that list. Classy,
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Interesting meeting yesterday in Tampa. The Yankee "braintrust" got together, with George in attendance, to map out 2010. They came out announcing a budget of $185,000,000.
How do they keep it there? They've already got $170 M tied up in 10 players. (Sabathia, Burnett, Rivera, Marte, Posada, Teixeira, Cano, Jeter, A-Rod, and Swisher.) Let's tack on another $4M for the arb eligible Melky, though they could decide to non-tender him and go with Austin Jackson. How about raises to $750 K each for Joba and Hughes. Add in $500,000 each for Robertson, Aceves, Albaladejo, Coke and Cervelli and you're now at $178 M.
$7 million left to spend on a backup infielder, backup outfielder, utility player, set-up reliever, number 3 starter, left fielder, designated hitter. What this means is that if the Yankees are going to stick to this $185 M budget, there will be no Pettitte, no Damon, no Holliday, no Bay, no Lackey, no Halladay. Maybe they'll bring in Kevin Millar or Ross Gload to be their DH. Endy Chavez or Coco Crisp in left? Daniel Cabrera their number 3 starting pitcher?
Up the coast, the Sox haven't announced a budget, but after dropping from $143 to $133 to $121 over the past three years, I see them going through the roof. In fact, I don't see them coming in under $150 M.
They now have $108 M tied up in 12 players (Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka, Wakefield, Martinez, Varitek, Youkilis, Pedroia, Scutaro, Lowell, Drew, and Ortiz.) Let's tack on $10 M for the arb eligible Papelbon and $4 M for Hermida. Add in raises to $750 K for Buchholz and Ellsbury. Let's resign Okajima for $2.5 M and Ramirez for $1.25 M. Another $500 K each for Bard, Richardson and Lowrie and we're now at $129 M.
Still needed are two relievers, a left fielder, and a utility player. Bay or Holliday will take them up to $145-147 M. The two relievers will take them to $151-153.
Given that Theo is light years smarter than Cashman, there's no way the Yankees can compete with the Sox with only $35 M separating them. Cashman's already shown that the only way the Yanks can beat the Sox is by spending $70 M more.
How do they keep it there? They've already got $170 M tied up in 10 players. (Sabathia, Burnett, Rivera, Marte, Posada, Teixeira, Cano, Jeter, A-Rod, and Swisher.) Let's tack on another $4M for the arb eligible Melky, though they could decide to non-tender him and go with Austin Jackson. How about raises to $750 K each for Joba and Hughes. Add in $500,000 each for Robertson, Aceves, Albaladejo, Coke and Cervelli and you're now at $178 M.
$7 million left to spend on a backup infielder, backup outfielder, utility player, set-up reliever, number 3 starter, left fielder, designated hitter. What this means is that if the Yankees are going to stick to this $185 M budget, there will be no Pettitte, no Damon, no Holliday, no Bay, no Lackey, no Halladay. Maybe they'll bring in Kevin Millar or Ross Gload to be their DH. Endy Chavez or Coco Crisp in left? Daniel Cabrera their number 3 starting pitcher?
Up the coast, the Sox haven't announced a budget, but after dropping from $143 to $133 to $121 over the past three years, I see them going through the roof. In fact, I don't see them coming in under $150 M.
They now have $108 M tied up in 12 players (Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka, Wakefield, Martinez, Varitek, Youkilis, Pedroia, Scutaro, Lowell, Drew, and Ortiz.) Let's tack on $10 M for the arb eligible Papelbon and $4 M for Hermida. Add in raises to $750 K for Buchholz and Ellsbury. Let's resign Okajima for $2.5 M and Ramirez for $1.25 M. Another $500 K each for Bard, Richardson and Lowrie and we're now at $129 M.
Still needed are two relievers, a left fielder, and a utility player. Bay or Holliday will take them up to $145-147 M. The two relievers will take them to $151-153.
Given that Theo is light years smarter than Cashman, there's no way the Yankees can compete with the Sox with only $35 M separating them. Cashman's already shown that the only way the Yanks can beat the Sox is by spending $70 M more.
Big Deal, It's Called Leveraging Negotiations
The New York Post is not reporting a specific number, but it can be expected that the Yankees would take such a position publicly to use as leverage in any negotiations with their own players, free agents, or possible trade and sign targets. Every smart employer in negotiating salary or raises for its employees talks about its budget, whether it has limits or not. The same thing comes up every single time I have asked my company for a raise, and usually they throw fake budget numbers at me. I am very surprised that you would not recognize this for what it is, a mere negotiating ploy:
http://newyorkpost.com/p/sports/yankees/roy_on_agenda_Nsl4LUuAL3UFwJ1GU5RQeI
So I guess if you were Halliday's agent you would be falling for this. That's excellent news, and tells me that Cashman is up to some of the same old tricks he has pulled off on others who are actually professional agents.
The New York Post is not reporting a specific number, but it can be expected that the Yankees would take such a position publicly to use as leverage in any negotiations with their own players, free agents, or possible trade and sign targets. Every smart employer in negotiating salary or raises for its employees talks about its budget, whether it has limits or not. The same thing comes up every single time I have asked my company for a raise, and usually they throw fake budget numbers at me. I am very surprised that you would not recognize this for what it is, a mere negotiating ploy:
http://newyorkpost.com/p/sports/yankees/roy_on_agenda_Nsl4LUuAL3UFwJ1GU5RQeI
So I guess if you were Halliday's agent you would be falling for this. That's excellent news, and tells me that Cashman is up to some of the same old tricks he has pulled off on others who are actually professional agents.
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The use of the words "Yankees" and "budget" in the same sentence as complimentary terms is a complete, utter and perhaps a perfect "oxymoron". LOL...
I just got an idea for a poll....
Given what you have posted over the years, Beav, I'm not surprised to learn that you think the NY Post is the only source of sports news. I've seen the number $185 M in several places, including Buster Olney's blog.
The reason the NY Post is not reporting a specific number is that they don't believe this to be anything other than a negotiating ploy! Unlike you and Olney who seem to take this very seriously. To me, the NY Post is more credible because they have effectively disregarded a perceived limit and proceeded to an analysis of the Halliday situation, which analysis would be precluded by the acceptance of the notion of fake budget numbers. It's called maintaining credibility with one's readers.
In any event you guys are all focused on the wrong numbers. The most important number is % of net profit that is being used to improve the team. This is the only number that counts. The press does not want to do any complicated math so they stick to payroll analysis which, while easier to understand, does not tell the whole story. It comes down to what a team is willing to put back into the team with its net profit. If a team has a large net profit and puts a big chunk of it back into the team as do the Yankees, they are doing what any good business does, but in the case of the Yankees its because they want to win, not because they ultimately want to make a large net profit.
I define the winning quotient as the total amount a team spends not only on payroll but other expenses divided by the net profit. That is the only formula that counts. If you spend a high % of your net profit you want to win. If you spend a lower % you don't. Those are the numbers that count. Nothing else really matters.
In any event you guys are all focused on the wrong numbers. The most important number is % of net profit that is being used to improve the team. This is the only number that counts. The press does not want to do any complicated math so they stick to payroll analysis which, while easier to understand, does not tell the whole story. It comes down to what a team is willing to put back into the team with its net profit. If a team has a large net profit and puts a big chunk of it back into the team as do the Yankees, they are doing what any good business does, but in the case of the Yankees its because they want to win, not because they ultimately want to make a large net profit.
I define the winning quotient as the total amount a team spends not only on payroll but other expenses divided by the net profit. That is the only formula that counts. If you spend a high % of your net profit you want to win. If you spend a lower % you don't. Those are the numbers that count. Nothing else really matters.
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Sorry but any comment using both "NY Post" and "credible" in the same sentence is automatically a fucktard comment. And those are not allowed here.
Deal done. Looks like a decent one for the Yankees, particularly if they find a platoon partner for Granderson, who hits lefties to the tune of .480 OPS. He's a very good hitter against righties and a plus fielder.
While the Yankees get certainty in Granderson and at a decent price, Jackson could be a better player than him by 2011. He could also flop. Assuming that they get Damon back and replace Matsui successfully, the Yankees are a little better, not a lot better.
Don't know what Arizona was thinking. They're getting roundly bashed for this deal.
And one more thing, not that it was likely to happen anyway, but this deal puts the kibosh on any notion of the Yankees getting Doc Halladay. Without Jackson, they don't have the chips, not without dealing Montero.
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Will you quit bringing up Montero's name because he is not going anywhere, he will be a Yankee for life and the only place that he will go to other than NY is delusia which is were he is right now in your head you silly delusional dipstick.
The Yankees have lots of other carrots that they can dangle in front of the Blue Jays, something along the lines of Hughes, Cabrera and Miranda for Halladay or something similar just might get it done.
I don't see how any good defensive centerfielder who hits 30 home runs and can steal 20 bases can possibly be platooned. The only negative on Granderson, who is reportedly a very high character guy, is the very high strikeout totals he has amassed. Although looking at his stats, his K totals have generally gone down and his walks have gone up. But I still find 141 Ks to be a bit high. I don't know where you bat a guy like this, whose OBP is .327, and hits 30 homers, but strikes out 141 times. Certainly not at the top of the order.
Austin Jackson had very little power and I assume that is why he got traded. That and the fact that the Yankees drafted a CF from Texas in the 1st round who is a better player and may be major league ready in a year or two. Jackson was, in essence, excess talent to be used in a trade.
I think Montero could be used in a trade for Halliday, since all reports indicate he has no position in the major leagues other than DH. The Yankees certainly are higher on Cervelli as a catcher and if he can develop behind Posada as the eventual replacement, I am all for using Montero in a trade that can secure Halliday if they don't give up too much else. The plan is to wait for the BJs to become desperate where, true to their name, they come back to Cashman in February with no great offers and look to suck his cock. Again, true to their name, the BJs.
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Jeez, you fucking moron®, that's exactly what I said: they're not dealing Montero. Hughes won't get it done. Melky, arbitration eligible, has no trade value and, in fact, he might not even be a Yankee by Friday if they non-tender him. Miranda? Miranda? He's not even a C level prospect.
How about a sub .500 OPS against lefthanded pitching? Pitchers hit better than that. He's pretty fabulous against right handed pitching, but a total disaster against southpaws.
Did I hear you say that Cervelli is a better prospect than Montero? Even Joe.T wouldn't say anything that dumb. True Montero will probably never catch in the majors, but he projects as a top hitter, albeit a DH.
Jackson, according to numerous sources, was the Yankees second best prospect. The other guy you mention is 4 years away.
As for "the plan" to wait for the Jays to get desperate, here you go again. Let me remind you that the Yankees are not the only team in baseball. Smart money says he's an Angel before the year's out.
Have you lost it beav?, you would trade one of the most highly rated prospects in baseball for a pitcher that might be a Yankee in two years anyways
Also with the trading of Bruney and Coke it is looking more and more that Joba is heading to the bullpen which is his rightful place if you ask me, I think that it's safe to say that the "Holds" record will be smashed next year(My prediction).
Montero
Joe.T,
Montero's only position is DH and that position is tied up. The reports I have read indicate he cannot catch at the major league level. We know that Cervelli can. Montero is a great hitting prospect and I have seen him play. He looks a little bit like a young Jose Canseco, pre-steroids. But he is young and a prospect and that means he is not a sure thing. I think if all I had to give up was him to get Halliday, I would do it. Especially with Pettite now signed as that would INSURE Joba going back to the pen. If the Yankees have such a team and they are healthy, they are untouchable. Maybe for a few years. Montero can go to Canada and become a star on a 3rd or 4th place team.
Joe.T,
Montero's only position is DH and that position is tied up. The reports I have read indicate he cannot catch at the major league level. We know that Cervelli can. Montero is a great hitting prospect and I have seen him play. He looks a little bit like a young Jose Canseco, pre-steroids. But he is young and a prospect and that means he is not a sure thing. I think if all I had to give up was him to get Halliday, I would do it. Especially with Pettite now signed as that would INSURE Joba going back to the pen. If the Yankees have such a team and they are healthy, they are untouchable. Maybe for a few years. Montero can go to Canada and become a star on a 3rd or 4th place team.
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