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One of the first red flags with Donald was that he was one of very few presidents, if not the only one, in the white house who didn`t keep a pet. It looks like he is afraid of dogs and hates cats. Maybe he has a secret pet rat ? Or the human rats around him will do till he turns on them.
 
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"It'll start getting cooler, you just watch"
" I don't think science knows "

Sad.
It is sad to see actually that most people have troubles thinking logically. Assume that California fires are due to global warming. Assume that we start spending hundreds of billions to “fight” the climate change starting with this fiscal year. The planet climate is such an inertial thing that we will start to see the first changes in 25-50 years. Meanwhile California will continue to burn? So, what we can do to immediately mitigate the threat? Clean the forest, change building codes, etc. Trump is absolutely right with his pragmatical businesslike approach. But some people just want to see not the real work but some leap service “respecting science” instead of the practical measures that give results almost immediately.
 
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I really do feel for you sene5hos...
If that can bring you some comfort, America's top science magazine, Scientific American, has broken a 175 year tradition and has endorsed a presidential candidate (Biden) for the first time ever. In their editorial, they argue that Trump's attacks on science make this election a "matter of life and death ".

"It'll start getting cooler, you just watch"
" I don't think science knows "

Sad.

They broke tradition because Biden is trending in the wrong direction and the Dems are pulling out all the stops. Which is what they should do if they want Biden to be president.

As far as science or it will start getting cooler, if the issue is climate change that's a great topic to discuss, but we wouldn't see the benefits from that discussion or application for like what, 50 years? Maintaining the forests, clearing out old dried trees, leaves, etc. is something that can be done now and that's where Trump was trying to steer the conversation. But he kept getting sidetracked with the climate change conversation that doesn't fix the immediate problem. How is it that Canada with all of its forests never seem to have fire issues? Because Canada maintains their forests better than the US, not because of climate change.
 
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I just heard Gavin Newsom just say “There is no question when you look past this decade ...that we have not done justice on our forest management. I don’t think anyone disputes that.”
 

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There would not be a necessity for forest management if it weren`t for human mismanagement in the last 200 years.
Native North and South Americans did a fine job of respecting nature .
Except for the occasional fire started by lightening , nature did a fine job of looking after itself without human interference for millions of years.
Australian, Western US forests and Brazil`s rain forest are disappearing at an alarming rate. Causes are due to among other factors , to intentional fire setting, overdevelopment, and climate change mostly due to burning of fossil fuel..
Listen to the science.
 

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There would not be a necessity for forest management if it weren`t for human mismanagement in the last 200 years.
Cloud, the truth is that the large-scale forest and prairie fires are the natural cycle of the Earth ecosystems and some biologists argue that they are needed to maintain the health of forests. Fires became harmful to people that leave near or in forests and in general because the Earth is overpopulated with people. Nine billion people are not healthy and natural for the Earth environment and we will always have this existential problem of balancing support of the ever increasing and overconsuming human population and the Nature that can’t adjust itself on the timescale of our development.
 
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Covid and other pandemics will revitalize the forest.
It is the overpopulation that is causing most of the problems, too many people too many assholes not caring and setting fires some willfully others just plain stupid.
Yes the climate is changing it always was, how much human intervention is attributing to that is debatable and you can search for the study that best serves your agenda and what you want to prove either for or against there is plenty available that is what is so wonderful about the Internet.
 
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Over the past 100 years there has been a 3 degree increase in temperature. No doubt, this has contributed to the problem. However, if we shut down every industry in North America today, by the year 2100 we could decrease the average temperature 0.17 degrees. It would not make a difference in any of these fires. The answer is to manage the forest as Gavin Newsom suggested. There are controled burns and the harvesting of timber that needs to be done or as an alternative we can put up another windmill and yell “Science is Real” at the fire.

Why are Democrats so anti-science? Science is real!!!!!!!!
 
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I still see people laugh about Trump saying to rake the forest, until I tell them it is an actual term, then they just bow out of the discussion.

The purpose of the forest rake is to take out the undergrowth and knock over old dead trees, this in turn limits the fuel that a wildfire has to burn.Nov 25, 2018
 

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“It Was All About the Election”: The Ex-White House Aide Olivia Troye on Trump’s Narcissistic Mishandling of COVID-19

When I spoke with Olivia Troye on Thursday afternoon, she sounded more than a little scared. She was about to go public with a scorching video, in which she would denounce President Donald Trump and his stewardship of the country during the coronavirus pandemic. Troye, who served as Vice-President Mike Pence’s adviser for homeland security until late July, has witnessed the Administration’s response to the crisis, as Pence’s top aide on the White House coronavirus task force.

I asked about her firsthand observation of the President during the crisis. She said that Trump was “disruptive.” That he could not “focus.” That he was consumed by himself and his prospects in November. “For him, it was all about the election,” Troye told me. “He just can’t seem to care about anyone else besides himself.”
 
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Charlie Kirk, the Trump's adulator in charge of Turning Point USA, found his organization exposed to the public this week when it was revealed that they had been using teenagers, some of whom were minors, to spread fake news online.
The pro-Trump group has been revealed as a fraud, with their "grassroots" facade falling off to reveal an army of paid trolls.
 
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It's true that it doesn't help to have regrets, but empathy for the families and friends affected is a minimum
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Yet the grim milestone and the prospect of more American deaths to come have prompted no rethinking from the president about his handling of the pandemic and no outward expressions of regrets. Instead, Trump has sought to reshape the significance of the death tally, trying to turn the loss of 200,000 Americans into a success story by contending the numbers could have been even higher without the actions of his administration.

There’s also little doubt that the death toll in the U.S. has soared past where Trump repeatedly assured the public it would be. In February, when the first coronavirus cases were detected in the U.S., the president said the numbers would be “down to close to zero” within day s. In early April, when U.S. officials estimated at least 100,000 people would die from the pandemic even if all conceivable steps were taken against it, Trump suggested the numbers would be lower, saying: “I think we’re doing better than that.”

It's normal for him not to have empathy, he doesn't give a damn about the misfortune of others.

Bouf only 200,000 died.
 
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Reality is the virus is out of control in many countries and many countries In Europe are facing a second wave and it is getting dangerously close in our own back yard also.
Did Trump handle this well, no he didn’t like many countries didn’t and still don’t.
Is he to blame completely for the mess in the US, of course not, look at the Governors, Mayors, he’ll look at all the people gathering in large groups, refusing to wear masks, refusing to do social distancing can one man control all this.
Holding Trump solely responsible is ridiculous, but of course it feels good to have one scapegoat.
Lets see even if Biden gets in and it doesn’t improve how it will still always be Trump’s fault.
 

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It`s ridiculous to think that the Donald is totally to blame for the dire situation in the States. From what I read nobody is saying that.
What is certain is that he misled the population and set a bad example by not wearing a mask. He is indirectly responsible for thousands of deaths that could have been avoided by wiser governance.
 

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It`s ridiculous to think that the Donald is totally to blame for the dire situation in the States. From what I read nobody is saying that.
What is certain is that he misled the population and set a bad example by not wearing a mask. He is indirectly responsible for thousands of deaths that could have been avoided by wiser governance.
This is true, but this is true in most countries.
It is also true in Quebec if they wouldn’t have had that prick Oruda as our health guru maybe Quebec wouldn’t be the New York of Canada, and ultimately Legault is the one responsible for keeping him there although I think Legault has been doing a good job on his own.
 

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I never said Trump was solely responsible, but doing the opposite of what people were asked to do made matters worse.

Trump had to unite the country, not divide it.

Fradi it's so easy to say we should have done this or that.

It's a situation that no humans had encountered before on our earth.

Everyone did their best.
 

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It's a situation that no humans had encountered before on our earth.

Everyone did their best.

Exactly!

You think he wouldn’t do anything in his power to make this go away.
If it wasn’t for this virus he would have been a shoo in to win why would he intentionally screw that up.
He has made his share of horrendous decisions just like many other world leaders and health professionals included.

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No you never said that Trump was solely responsible.
Funny part of that is that I don’t see you ever blaming anyone else except him even when you say you are not blaming him you do that twice in your last post alone. lol.
 
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It`s ridiculous to think that the Donald is totally to blame for the dire situation in the States. From what I read nobody is saying that.

And from what I read, somebody is saying exactly that.

Joe Biden stated on September 17, 2020 in a CNN town hall:

"If the president had done his job, had done his job from the beginning, all the people would still be alive. All the people. I'm not making this up. Just look at the data."


https://www.politifact.com/factchec...den-wrongly-claims-trump-couldve-prevented-e/
 

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But he’s such a wheeler and dealer....
 
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