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Sol Tee Nutz

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Ya right and back in 68 they did not riot at all haha These are the old farts of now who should listen more to the young people.

Yes the young are more socially aware and more environmentally friendly because they want to be able to breathe few years from now. For them it comes before the economy hehe

Cheers,

Never thought adults used lol or hehe.
The kids today do not even know what fucking sex they are. Canada produces 1.6% of the worlds pollution, fucking nothing, we could shut down all of our pollution and it would mean nothing in terms of environment change. More concerned with kids beong able to afford to live than breath properly.
 

sambuca

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When you pull out you have the loosing hand. Why would the EU agree to negotiate an equitable departure? They estimate at 50k the number of jobs in the UK and 50 billions that is likely to get out of the UK for Brussels, Frankfurt and Paris (just to name a few).

Theresa May isn't even trying to negotiate a better hand for the UK. When the weak, corporatist leaders either deal with the inevitable or are replaced, I assure you the UK holds the hand of mutually-assured economic destruction in this negotiation.
 

sambuca

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Never thought adults used lol or hehe.
The kids today do not even know what fucking sex they are. Canada produces 1.6% of the worlds pollution, fucking nothing, we could shut down all of our pollution and it would mean nothing in terms of environment change. More concerned with kids beong able to afford to live than breath properly.

Good point. I fear that the only way to reduce carbon emissions is to pay the likes of China and India to not advance carbon-intensive energy and manufacturing. Even then, as we've seen from many global agreements, you still might not get adherence.
 

jalimon

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So dictator Trump today tweeted about the voice of the right. We can all see here reference to Alex Jones...

My question here is should we as a society listen to people who put in doubt such thing as the sandy hook shooting as an hoax? This ass hole Alex Jones ever met the parent of one of these kids who was murdered? I am sure he has no balls to do so.

Where does free speech responsibility stops when you have such jerks as Alex Jones speaking and so many complete dumb and non educated people listen to him?

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anon_vlad

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... Canada produces 1.6% of the worlds pollution, fucking nothing, we could shut down all of our pollution and it would mean nothing in terms of environment change. More concerned with kids beong able to afford to live than breath properly.

Per capita, we are one of the worst. Imagine if every one of the 192 countries which produce less pollution than the US, China and India followed your reasoning.

Being able to afford to live and breathing properly are not mutually exclusive. For example, Iceland is on track to completely eliminate the use of fossil fuels and their people are hardly starving. We should be setting an example with our plentiful hydroelectric power.
 

jalimon

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Per capita, we are one of the worst. Imagine if every one of the 192 countries which produce less pollution than the US, China and India followed your reasoning.

Being able to afford to live and breathing properly are not mutually exclusive. For example, Iceland is on track to completely eliminate the use of fossil fuels and their people are hardly starving. We should be setting an example with our plentiful hydroelectric power.

haha wise one Anon ;) Not only per capita but per size of our country!!

By the way no fossil fueled car in Germany by 2030.

Cheers,
 

Doc Holliday

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I would be more interested in Omarosa fucking Trump, they are made for each other.
Great if they could show it on SNL with commentary.

True, but Trump hates black people & other minorities. He'd never fuck a black woman. He only fucks white European women, white porn stars and white escorts.
 

sambuca

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Smells Like Partisan Team Spirit

Some of you deny the concept of fake news. On it's surface, the concept of fake news has always been alive and with us on the right and the left. It just depends on how partisan you are and how you feel about misleading journalism that supports your world view.

No one can ever be 100% sure, but the recent New York Times piece on Trump's White House Counsel Don McGahn smells like fake news. As the President's attorney, McGahn wasn't required to divulge private conversations with the President. The President and his defense attorneys released McGahn to fully cooperate with the Mueller investigation. I read the NYT article and it seemed like all innuendo and no new facts. The NYT article obviously wants to continue moving the political narrative toward obstruction of justice and away from Russian collusion.

"Hello, hello, hello, how low
Hello, hello, hello
With the lights out, it's less dangerous
Here we are now, entertain us"
 

Doc Holliday

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Ex-Fox News Analyst Ralph Peters Calls Former Colleagues Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson ‘Prostitutes’

‘The polite word is prostitutes, so we’ll just leave it that,’ Ralph Peters said when he was asked about Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson.


by Matt Wilstein

“As a a former Russia analyst,” Lt. Col. Ralph Peters said on CNN’s Reliable Sources Sunday, “I am convinced that the president of the United States is in thrall to Vladimir Putin.”

That was hardly his most provocative statement of the morning.

Peters, who left his job as a military analyst for Fox News earlier this year declaring the network a “destructive propaganda machine” for President Trump, spent much of his sit-down with Brian Stelter excoriating his former employer. He explained that he left Fox because he could not be part of an institution that was “assaulting the Constitution, the constitutional order, the rule of law.”

“Fox isn’t immoral, it’s amoral,” Peters explained. “It was opportunistic. Trump was just a gift to Fox and Fox in turn was a gift to Trump.” Echoing Stelter — and inadvertently evoking a particularly iconic moment from HBO’s Succession — he said, “it’s a closed loop, so people who only listen to Fox have an utterly skewed view of reality.”

Later in the segment, Stelter played side-by-side clips from Fox News and MSNBC on Trump’s decision to strip former CIA director John Brennan of his security clearance. While Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson accused Brennan of “serious misconduct” and questioned his “intellectual” competence, the MSNBC hosts and pundits blasted the president for punishing his prominent political critic.

Asked by Stelter if his former colleagues are “proud of their performance,” Peters closed his eyes for a second and said, “The polite word is prostitutes, so we’ll just leave it that.”

“I don’t want to be the go-to guy for Fox-bashing forever,” Peters added. “But what Fox is doing is causing real harm to our country right now.”

Former Fox News analyst calls Hannity and Carlson prostitutes
 

sambuca

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I wrote about that show Reliable Sources last week in my comment #791. The show spends too much time attacking the President and Fox News (as if Fox News was the only other media worth covering on a show about media news coverage). The similar styled show Media Matters on Fox News is not as vitriolic towards any one outlet. Some times it criticizes Fox News itself. I think you would have a hard time determining who Howard Kurtz the host voted for.

Fox News has Admiral Mullen on this morning that he is troubled by the President taking away the security clearance. He also felt Brennan was acting too political and accusatory for a former head of an "apolitical" intelligence agency. One of the reasons to watch both Fox News and one of either CNN or MSNBC is to see how you can have prominent talking heads saying different things in differing tones based on the news outlet.
 

Doc Holliday

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Fox News has a few very competent reporters. Shepard Smith & John Roberts come to mind, among others. Other than Fox & Friends (Trump & Friends) the daytime news shows are very competent. The problem is with the opinion shows passing themselves as 'news' during the evening. The likes of Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity & Laura Ingraham are nothing short of whores, as Colonel Peters pointed out yesterday. But i do believe that Laura Ingraham is a full-blown bigot & racist. Carlson & Hannity? Probably doing it for money & ratings. It's quite telling that 96% of Fox News' viewership are white.

p.s. It must also be a huge ego-booster for Hannity knowing POTUS listens to his show every night & repeats everything he says. Fox News literally runs the White House!
 

sambuca

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The problem is with the opinion shows passing themselves as 'news' during the evening. The likes of Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity & Laura Ingraham are nothing short of whores, as Colonel Peters pointed out yesterday. But i do believe that Laura Ingraham is a full-blown bigot & racist. Carlson & Hannity? Probably doing it for money & ratings. It's quite telling that 96% of Fox News' viewership are white.

You should understand that Fox News' 8-11 pm line-up is strictly political commentary. They explain all the time that they are not news shows. MSNBC's team of Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell and Chris Hayes isn't any less political. The editorial page of your local newspaper is not news either.

Laura Ingraham is a single mother of three adopted children. One is from Guatemala. So she's hawkish on illegal immigration. All of us opposing illegal immigration and state/local governments trying to ignore it are fighting the narrative that we are racist.

I believe the true demographic partition of Fox News is older Americans with higher net worth on average. You have an audience that is naturally Republican, supports lower taxes, limited government and less supportive of social issues. Back in the day when we actually had conservative papers in every city, it was the same demographic.
 

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Doc no comments about how all this new legal shit with Trump`s cronies is going to play out?
 

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This is the beginning of the end....

Cohen says he paid hush money at candidate Trump’s direction

The statement came as part of a plea deal that Cohen struck Tuesday afternoon with federal prosecutors in New York.

By JOSH GERSTEIN, LAURA NAHMIAS and JOSH MEYER

NEW YORK — Michael Cohen, Donald Trump’s combative former personal lawyer, on Tuesday implicated the president in hush money payments he said were designed to sway the election, as part of a plea deal he struck with federal prosecutors on fraud charges.

Cohen, who once stated he would take a bullet for Trump, flipped on his former boss in a dramatic courtroom appearance that went down just as news emerged that former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort had been found guilty in his own fraud trial.

“I participated in the conduct for the purposes of influencing the election” Cohen said about his payments to adult-film actress Stormy Daniels and ex-Playboy model Karen McDougal, two women who claimed to have had affairs with Trump in the past. Trump denies the claims.

The statement came as Cohen formally entered his plea at a Manhattan federal court, in which he admitted guilt to a slate of eight tax evasion, financial fraud and campaign finance charges.

It represented a bombshell moment — and the most politically and potentially legally damaging for Trump, who had previously denied knowledge of the payments.

Cohen said one payment, for $150,000, was made during "summer of 2016, in coordination and at the direction of a candidate for federal office."

The second payment, for $130,000, was made around "October of 2016, at the direction of the same candidate."

Some legal experts speculated that because the Cohen plea included campaign finance violations based on payoffs, it is possible that Trump could be listed as an unindicted co-conspirator.

“It’s certainly possible, and I emphasis possible, that the president could be treated as a co-conspirator,” said the lawyer representing a senior Trump aide in the Russia probe.

“If Cohen broke the law by making these payments, then folks knew about it and agreed with it and assisted with it also broke the law. It’s that simple,” the lawyer added.

Cohen's statements also stand out because the documents outlining his plea deal do not appear to offer any examples or evidence of Trump himself directing Cohen to do anything.

And Cohen's attorney, Lanny Davis, didn't shy away from directly calling out the president.

"If those payments were a crime for Michael Cohen, then why wouldn't they be a crime for Donald Trump?” he asked in a statement.

Notably, the documents leave unanswered the question of whether Cohen has agreed to cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into Russian interference in the election — and any potential coordination with Trump's campaign on those efforts.

In total, the eight counts Cohen pleaded guilty to include five counts of personal tax evasion from 2012 to 2016, which included a failure to report more than $4 million, and one count of making a false statement to a lending institution.

On the campaign finance front, Cohen pleaded guilty to two counts of making contributions in excess of $25,000 for the purpose of influencing a federal election.

The crimes carry a maximum sentence of 65 years, but sentencing guidelines recommend 46-63 months of prison time.

A source close to Cohen said prior to the plea that Cohen agreed to a plea deal “to save millions of dollars, protect his family, and limit his exposure,” the source said.

At Tuesday's hearing, Cohen, wearing a black suit with a yellow tie, appeared in decent spirits, chatting with his lawyer and mouthing "hello" to several different reporters.

When the judge asked Cohen whether he had ingested drugs or alcohol in the previous 24 hours, Cohen noted, "Last night at dinner I had a glass of Glenlivet 12, on the rocks,” prompting chuckles in the courtroom.

Cohen will be sentenced on Dec. 12. Until then, he is out on $500,000 bail, limited to only traveling within New York City, and to a few notable places, such as Washington, D.C.

Prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York have been investigating Cohen for months over allegations of tax fraud, bank fraud and campaign finance violations stemming from hush payments he arranged to women, including Daniels and McDougal, prior to the 2016 presidential election. The probe was fueled in part by a referral from Mueller's team.

Cohen’s apartment and Manhattan office, as well as a hotel room, were raided by federal investigators in April.

Mueller's team has been pursuing legal action against Trump associates for months. The special counsel has already secured indictments against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who has been on trial in Virginia, where a jury is deliberating on multiple counts of bank and tax fraud. Former campaign aides Rick Gates and George Papadopoulos, as well as former national security adviser Michael Flynn, are among those who have pleaded guilty in the Mueller probe.

But Cohen’s plea brings the investigation squarely into the realm of the president’s private life and family, and it marks the most formal break yet between the president and one of his most vocal, visible and forceful defenders.

For years, Cohen boasted that he would do anything to protect Trump, his reputation and his business empire, once saying he would take a bullet for Trump. The relationship began to fray after Trump’s surprise election, when the president decided not to offer his trusted attorney a position in his administration. Cohen had told acquaintances that he had expected such a position, perhaps even White House chief of staff or counsel.

Cohen’s loyalty was tested after FBI agents raided several locations and seized literally millions of documents and digital records that provided investigators with a roadmap of his — and Trump’s — myriad financial dealings. Some of those documents presumably relate to Trump Organization business deals and proposals, potentially including one that Cohen was trying to negotiate for a Trump property in Moscow during the early stages of the presidential campaign.

FBI agents also recovered numerous recordings of phone calls between Cohen and Trump that legal experts have said could be a gold mine for prosecutors.

For prosecutors to secure a plea agreement like this with Cohen is a major achievement, given the high bar for proving such violations, said Liam Brennan, a former federal prosecutor and public corruption task force chief.

“Campaign finance violations are very hard to prove, and require a lot of mental evidence, or evidence of intent — not just that you know you are doing something wrong, but that you know you are doing something illegal,” Brennan said. “So to get a plea to that charge is a huge win for the government, and for the whole series of investigations.”

Cohen’s willingness to enter into the cooperation agreement “is hugely damaging on two levels,” Brennan added.

On the political level, Cohen can offer investigators and prosecutors critically important details about hush money payments and other potentially damaging information “about willful violations of the law to support the presidential campaign.”

And on the legal front, Cohen’s cooperation could spell trouble for Trump even if Mueller continues to believe a sitting president cannot be indicted.

“If you sign a cooperation agreement, you essentially agree to share information with the FBI about any criminal wrongdoing you are aware of,” Brennan said.

Cohen strikes deal with feds; Trump ordered hush money payments
 

sambuca

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What exactly is new here that requires the entire article to be posted rather than the link?

The problem with all this is Mueller is going for outsized sentences to blackmail Trump associates. I’m concerned our judicial system is being hijacked by enemies of the President. Stormy and McDougal are minor legal issues. I assure you most Congressmen deal with these self-promoting women all the time.

At this point, Mueller doesn’t even seem to be able to find Russia on a map, let alone investigate Russian collusion.
 

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The problem with all this is Mueller is going for outsized sentences to blackmail Trump associates.

Which sentences are outsized?

I assure you most Congressmen deal with these self-promoting women all the time.

Cohen wasn't found guilty of paying someone hush money. He was found of making an excessive campaign contribution.

At this point, Mueller doesn’t even seem to be able to find Russia on a map, let alone investigate Russian collusion.

You mean the indictments he has filed on Russian companies, Russian GRU, Killminik based in Russia, and the guilty pleas by Flynn and Papadopoulos mean he doesn't know where Russia is? And the court filing he made about how investigating Russian collusion is what lead to Manafort's crime's being uncovered also shows he isn't investigating Russia?

Everything so far
 

sambuca

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I don't want to repeat commentary widely available so I'll keep it brief. The prosecution wants life in prison for Manafort. People in the U.S. (probably Canada) don't get prosecuted for such long sentences. Much of the punishment involves a fine. In fact, campaign finance violations usually involve a fine.

The Rosenstein and Mueller are trying to conflate anything and everything with the President. It's not how are justice system is suppose to work. If you hate the President, fine. You'll turn your eyes away. Many here including some independents see the long line of conflation and abuse of the special counsel. FYI, Flynn and Papadopoulos don't have anything that the prosecution wants on Russia and probably nothing on Trump. They are being used (abused) and pursued on minor offenses for fear purposes. Let's call it the new FBI justice.

Look at the timing. Mueller is timing all of these unconnected investigations perfectly to the midterm election cycle.
 

sambuca

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Big deal... ?

I'm sorry I pointed out how the internet works (using hyperlinks). I suppose we can now write in CAPS and post long-winded articles that don't offer any new information. Yikes!

If the Mods didn't empathize with Doc's POV, they would likely ask him to not post entire articles on the forum if they haven't already.
 

Doc Holliday

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If the Mods didn't empathize with Doc's POV, they would likely ask him to not post entire articles on the forum if they haven't already.

I simply state the facts & i follow the rules. I posted a very important article which i felt was important for those who follow present-day politics. I posted my comment. I posted a link to the article to prove it's accurate and for those who prefer reading it directly from the site.

People are always free to read whichever article posted. Or not.
 

sambuca

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The Mods have reminded me of protocol several times. So in that context, I find posting entire articles a bit bizarre.
 
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